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I don't need some study to flesh out what John 1:1 says. It is the Holy Spirit and wise spiritual counsel that is all that is necessary.
It's a sad fact that there are many with very differing beliefs who are absolutely convinced that Holy Spirit and "wise spiritual counsel" have led them to their varying 'truths.'

If one believes the Bible to be true and the basis for belief, then a careful examination of what has been written in the best NT and OT texts is essential. - Acts 17:11.
 

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It's a sad fact that there are many with very differing beliefs who are absolutely convinced that Holy Spirit and "wise spiritual counsel" have led them to their varying 'truths.'

If one believes the Bible to be true and the basis for belief, then a careful examination of what has been written in the best NT and OT texts is essential. - Acts 17:11.
Your point?
 

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that's right, in this world we all live in --- so many are totally convinced that they know the facts and nothing can persuade them otherwise.
not even when someone comes back from the dead to bear witness of perfect truth and redemption.
yet out of all the world , all the different conjectures, ideas, dreams, hopes, imaginations,
Yhwh chose to abide with only a few, (yet anyone), who give their life over to Him entirely without reserve, without holding back, without any ounce of self preservation or self worth (as the flesh has nothing to be desired, nothing of value).
and those few, the remnant, know by the spirit within them and always totally in line with everything in Yhwh's Word - no contradictions, no contentions, no heresy - that He has chosen them and that they are His.
 

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I don't need some study to flesh out what John 1:1 says. It is the Holy Spirit and wise spiritual counsel that is all that is necessary.
It's a sad fact that there are many with very differing beliefs who are absolutely convinced that Holy Spirit and "wise spiritual counsel" have led them to their varying 'truths.'

If one believes the Bible to be true and the basis for belief, then a careful examination of what has been written in the best NT and OT texts is essential. - Acts 17:11.
Knotical,
I agree with your position here. Paul prayed ". . . that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the full knowledge of Him," (Eph 1:17).

Teddy,
You are demanding that those who carefully examine the Scriptures interpret it through your eyes, what you perceive as truth. Surely, you are among those with a very differing belief. The Bible is true, but it is the Author of the Bible who is a Christian's basis for belief.

"But when that One comes, the Spirit of truth, He will guide you into all truth, for He will not speak from Himself, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will announce the coming things to you" (John 16:13).
 

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It's a sad fact that there are many with very differing beliefs who are absolutely convinced that Holy Spirit and "wise spiritual counsel" have led them to their varying 'truths.'

If one believes the Bible to be true and the basis for belief, then a careful examination of what has been written in the best NT and OT texts is essential. - Acts 17:11.
I don't see how what you believe about the trinity is any different than any of the other Christians on this forum?
 
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I would submit that misunderstanding due to the various semantics are occurring.
kinda like when Yeshua said that Scripture says "ye are gods" and elsewhere refers to Yhwh's chosen judges as gods, in that they have His direct authority to judge, if not more ----

kinda like when Yeshua told His followers , whatever people do to you (His True Followers/Disciples) they do to Me.....
and what Yeshua says on Judgment Day too ---- those who didn't feed or clothe or give a drink of water to His little ones did it to HIM. pretty severe, pretty strict, and perfect !
 

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I would submit that misunderstanding due to the various semantics are occurring.
No, that is not at all the case. Teddy is a JW who, of course, follows the teachings of the Watchtower. When it comes to Christology, the Watchtower follows the teachings of Arius, who believed that there was a time when the Son was not in existence, that he was the first creation of the Father. This is a grave error and heresy that has nothing to do with semantics.
 

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kinda like when Yeshua said that Scripture says "ye are gods" and elsewhere refers to Yhwh's chosen judges as gods, in that they have His direct authority to judge, if not more ----

kinda like when Yeshua told His followers , whatever people do to you (His True Followers/Disciples) they do to Me.....
and what Yeshua says on Judgment Day too ---- those who didn't feed or clothe or give a drink of water to His little ones did it to HIM. pretty severe, pretty strict, and perfect !
I have read some of teddy's posts. I would like to understand the reason why he says his posts keep getting banned, and without him getting banned for explaining it to me. What exactly is the rule he would be breaking might give me some indication.
 

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No, that is not at all the case. Teddy is a JW who, of course, follows the teachings of the Watchtower. When it comes to Christology, the Watchtower follows the teachings of Arius, who believed that there was a time when the Son was not in existence, that he was the first creation of the Father. This is a grave error and heresy that has nothing to do with semantics.
big time. the jw believe that jesus wasn't the son until he was baptized by John the Baptist. when the bible and jesus said I existed prior to Abraham and also jesus said he was God.
 

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I have read some of teddy's posts. I would like to understand the reason why he says his posts keep getting banned, and without him getting banned for explaining it to me. What exactly is the rule he would be breaking might give me some indication.
As to any specifics of why someone is or has been banned, that is not to be discussed.
 

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No, that is not at all the case. Teddy is a JW who, of course, follows the teachings of the Watchtower. When it comes to Christology, the Watchtower follows the teachings of Arius, who believed that there was a time when the Son was not in existence, that he was the first creation of the Father. This is a grave error and heresy that has nothing to do with semantics.
However I politely ask, Is it wrong to point out that the trinity is presented as Father and son? That we are meant to distinguish the two with the Father preceding the son as the only descendent? If so, the Father came before the son even though they are the same essence, which is what the holy Spirit testifies to.
 

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I have read some of teddy's posts. I would like to understand the reason why he says his posts keep getting banned, and without him getting banned for explaining it to me. What exactly is the rule he would be breaking might give me some indication.
i didn't know he's jw (a non-christian religion). in general, people from other religions may post and ask questions, but not promote their religion. at least that's how i understand it. maybe there's somewhere to talk about specifics, but if so i don't know where.
 

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However I politely ask, Is it wrong to point out that the trinity is presented as Father and son? That we are meant to distinguish the two with the Father preceding the son as the only descendent? If so, the Father came before the son even though they are the same essence, which is what the holy Spirit testifies to.
I'm pretty sure that the Scripture no where says Yeshua is 'descendent' of the Father - because they were always together sharing the Father's Glory forever before Creation (i think). the Father created a body for Yeshua, and Yeshua willingly humbled Himself to be born a man , thus the physical body of Yeshua was not eternal past (although perhaps was always 'known' forever past, as all of our names and the number of hairs on our head were known by Yhwh before anything was even yet created ! ) .... look up the Hebrew/Jewish Scriptures w/believers to see the beauty of Yhwh's Plan - such a grand fullness about everything is so apparent in Hebrew that just doesn't come through in english or some/most other languages.....
 

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However I politely ask, Is it wrong to point out that the trinity is presented as Father and son? That we are meant to distinguish the two with the Father preceding the son as the only descendent? If so, the Father came before the son even though they are the same essence, which is what the holy Spirit testifies to.
I'm not sure what your point is. There is no "coming before" since the Son has always been in existence. The Son is said to eternally proceed from the Father, so we certainly cannot say that the Father created the Son, as JWs teach.
 

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I'm pretty sure that the Scripture no where says Yeshua is 'descendent' of the Father
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I agree, but that is what the word begotten means. It is a singular form of a single descendent of God, as in an only son.
What about these verses? 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 3:18King James Version (KJV)
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

because they were always together sharing the Father's Glory forever before Creation (i think). the Father created a body for Yeshua, and Yeshua willingly humbled Himself to be born a man , thus the physical body of Yeshua was not eternal past (although perhaps was always 'known' forever past, as all of our names and the number of hairs on our head were known by Yhwh before anything was even yet created ! ) .... look up the Hebrew/Jewish Scriptures w/believers to see the beauty of Yhwh's Plan - such a grand fullness about everything is so apparent in Hebrew that just doesn't come through in english or some/most other languages.....
In eternity all is come to pass. But what does that have to do with the trinity?
 

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I'm not sure what your point is. There is no "coming before" since the Son has always been in existence. The Son is said to eternally proceed from the Father, so we certainly cannot say that the Father created the Son, as JWs teach.
Fine, how about any of these words in lieu of created?
  1. to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being
  2. to become, i.e. to come to pass, happen
    1. of events
    • to arise, appear in history, come upon the stage
      1. of men appearing in public
    • to be made, finished
      1. of miracles, to be performed, wrought
    • to become, be made
 
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