Temporal Salvation?

[JLB]

none of this is possible with out the Holy Spirit leading us/the spirit of truth Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Amen. We are all lost without the Spirit to give us the ability to live our lives according to the Spirit.


Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. Romans 8:12-13

• but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. Galatians 6:7-8

• he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life

JLB

 

[OzSpen]

The most understandable and encouraging attribute concerning salvation is that of its permanency, after all, it is called “eternal salvation” (Heb 5:9). What part of salvation is temporary, seeing that one of the meanings of redemption is that of being saved from “eternal damnation” (Mar 3:29). Is it a sensible truism that one can be eternally saved and then not eternally saved? Thus being temporarily saved from “everlasting punishment” (Mat 25:46) is clearly a concept of an oxymoron?

netchaplain,

Haven't you reworded this to get around forbidden topic on this forum: 'This subject of OSAS is no longer allowed to be argued, debated or even discussed. Since way too many rescources are being used by this one subject we have to cut it off completely. Too many people are losing their composure when discussing this topic. So in the interest of all, any debate of Calvinism vx Arminianism tenants of faith are no longer going to be allowed to be discussed'?

When you write about 'eternal salvation' vs salvation which is 'temporary', I consider you have gotten around the forbidden topic in disguise.

Oz

 

[jerry63935]

netchaplain,

Haven't you reworded this to get around forbidden topic on this forum: 'This subject of OSAS is no longer allowed to be argued, debated or even discussed. Since way too many rescources are being used by this one subject we have to cut it off completely. Too many people are losing their composure when discussing this topic. So in the interest of all, any debate of Calvinism vx Arminianism tenants of faith are no longer going to be allowed to be discussed'?

When you write about 'eternal salvation' vs salvation which is 'temporary', I consider you have gotten around the forbidden topic in disguise.

Oz

this has done been covered the subject is correct your either saved or your not .btw salvation is eternal life

 

[stovebolts]

St.Louis area.

Next time I'm going through there, I'll give you a shout and we can have coffee. My brother lives in Arkansas and I go through there.
jerry63935 , you'll have to come up too!

 

[stovebolts]

netchaplain,

Haven't you reworded this to get around forbidden topic on this forum: 'This subject of OSAS is no longer allowed to be argued, debated or even discussed. Since way too many rescources are being used by this one subject we have to cut it off completely. Too many people are losing their composure when discussing this topic. So in the interest of all, any debate of Calvinism vx Arminianism tenants of faith are no longer going to be allowed to be discussed'?

When you write about 'eternal salvation' vs salvation which is 'temporary', I consider you have gotten around the forbidden topic in disguise.

Oz

Hi Oz,
I think we have a mature enough group in this thread.
I am watching it closely. If anyone gets out of hand, I will ban them from the thread. I'm also watching that no new threads be started that get spun off this one.
As long as unity can be maintained, this discussions can continue.

 

[JLB]

this has done been covered the subject is correct your either saved or your not .btw salvation is eternal life

Maybe we can all find common ground in the scriptures that indicate we have a responsibility to do what the Lord asks us to do.


Flee also youthful lusts; but pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
2 Timothy 2:22


If we are exhorted to pursue, go after, strive for, employ an effort to apprehend or obtain:

righteousness
faith
love
peace


Then hopefully we can agree that we have a responsibility to actually “go after” these godly attributes.


Maybe a brief definition of what a saint is.


Definition of a saint.
Saint - hagios - Strongs G40
most holy thing, a saint



JLB

 

[JLB]

Hi Oz,
I think we have a mature enough group in this thread.
I am watching it closely. If anyone gets out of hand, I will ban them from the thread. I'm also watching that no new threads be started that get spun off this one.
As long as unity can be maintained, this discussions can continue.

To all.

If anyone desires to discuss a topic related to OSAS in the Soteriology area, then feel free to start a thread or pm me and I will start it.


If you require that I do not post in any New threads started there then pm me with your requests.


If you wish to just discuss with one person then I will set it up that way.



JLB

 

[jerry63935]

Maybe we can all find common ground in the scriptures that indicate we have a responsibility to do what the Lord asks us to do.

NO one has denied this .the BIG problem with the discussion of osas. is not the doctrine but the individuals who blow it up to as what it is NOT. that goes for both sides how soon we forget peters words clothed in humility.

 

[jerry63935]

To all.

If anyone desires to discuss a topic related to OSAS in the Soteriology area, then feel free to start a thread or pm me and I will start it.

take my advice let it alone the subject creates division

 

[netchaplain]

take my advice let it alone the subject creates division

In my opinion, there has been and will always be a certain amount of division between believers, only because we all have varying levels of understanding of God's Word. It's a test to evaluate where our motives are concerning sharing with one another in the Word, e.g. do we learn not to argue, dispute or quarrel over it (2Ti 2:24), or continue to discuss what we think is "truth in love" (Eph 4:15).

 

[netchaplain]

Next time I'm going through there, I'll give you a shout and we can have coffee. My brother lives in Arkansas and I go through there.
jerry63935 , you'll have to come up too!

Are you saying your brother is jerry63935?

 

[stovebolts]

Are you saying your brother is jerry63935?

No, my brother lives in Arkansas and I go through St. Louis to get there.
Jerry said he lives south of you. Would be nice to meet for coffee.

 

[jerry63935]

iam less than 30 mins from ark line

 

[netchaplain]

No, my brother lives in Arkansas and I go through St. Louis to get there.
Jerry said he lives south of you. Would be nice to meet for coffee.

I appreciate the offer but I don't get out much beyond my local area, which is about an hour from St Louis.

 

[stovebolts]

iam less than 30 mins from ark line

Are you by Branson? That's the route I go. My brother lives near Russellville.

 

[jerry63935]

In my opinion, there has been and will always be a certain amount of division between believers, only because we all have varying levels of understanding of God's Word. It's a test to evaluate where our motives are concerning sharing with one another in the Word, e.g. do we learn not to argue, dispute or quarrel over it (2Ti 2:24), or continue to discuss what we think is "truth in love" (Eph 4:15).

i agree wholeheartedly and i am careful as to how i explain it.. facts are we can be secure in his.. i look at as a relationship . i dont mind the discussing but if it turns into a who is right and who is wrong .then i bow out

 

[netchaplain]

Are you by Branson? That's the route I go. My brother lives near Russellville.

That's about 3 hrs from me.

 

[jerry63935]

3 hours from me eureka springs where they have the play is neat to visit
all though it takes good 4 hours to get there

 

[JLB]

NO one has denied this .the BIG problem with the discussion of osas. is not the doctrine but the individuals who blow it up to as what it is NOT. that goes for both sides how soon we forget peters words clothed in humility.

take my advice let it alone the subject creates division

Discussing what Jesus taught us in the New Testament, about salvation, faith, grace, love, righteousness, truth, and yes hell, should be our common source for unity.

We should be able to agree on the plain, straightforward words of Jesus Christ and His Apostles.


I would suggest that “individuals” should learn to rely on Him and His words, rather than the teachings of man, in order to know the truth.


Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” John 8:31-32



Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? 1 Corinthians 1:10-13



JLB

 

[Jethro Bodine]

The most understandable and encouraging attribute concerning salvation is that of its permanency, after all, it is called “eternal salvation” (Heb 5:9).

Amen.
That's a good reason to keep believing and trusting in it.

What part of salvation is temporary, seeing that one of the meanings of redemption is that of being saved from “eternal damnation” (Mar 3:29).

There is nothing temporary about God's salvation.
A return to unbelief will cause a person to only temporarily possess that which is eternal.
That's why you should continue to believe.

Is it a sensible truism that one can be eternally saved and then not eternally saved?

Of course it is.
Does a light that shines forever mean that you can never lose that light?
Of course not.
But many people insist that it's a sensible truism that if a light shines forever that 'forever' means you will possess that light forever and can never lose it.

Thus being temporarily saved from “everlasting punishment” (Mat 25:46) is clearly a concept of an oxymoron?

It's an oxymoron only if you define 'everlasting' as 'not able to be lost'.
But if 'everlasting' is defined as an attribute of that which is everlasting, and not whether or not you can lose the thing itself that lasts forever, then it's easy to see that it is not an oxymoron.