Temporal Salvation?

[netchaplain]

Amen.
That's a good reason to keep believing and trusting in it.

There is nothing temporary about God's salvation.
A return to unbelief

Hi, and I appreciate your input, though we differ here on our opinions. God bless!

 

[JLB]

Hi, and I appreciate your input, though we differ here on our opinions. God bless!

We all appreciate you as well.

Why don’t you share what it is you differ on in his posts.


He took the time to answer your statements with well thought out reason.


Could you be so kind as to respond in kind.


Personally it was rather offensive to me to take the time to post scripture and answers to your post only to have you dismiss it with vague generalizations.


Its nice that your polite, and we all appreciate that about you.


However, since the stakes are so high, maybe you could be a little more specific.


Maybe you could explain why you disagree that a person is not required to continue to believe, in order to be saved.


I always read in the scriptures that believe (present tense) was the condition to be saved.


For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16


Do you believe a person is saved first, then they now have the ability to believe?


God bless you and thank you for this thread, whatever your answer.




JLB

 

[jerry63935]

does the grilling ever end?

Hi, and I appreciate your input, though we differ here on our opinions. God bless!

this is his way of saying we differ we just move on.. this is the big issue of discussing osas it keeps dragging on. it soon creates a political arena . what is the old saying we agree to disagree

 

[jerry63935]

However, since the stakes are so high, maybe you could be a little more specific.

what stakes do it ever occur he was through. see the moment he answers then a dozen more questions of i must prove my point of proving i am right. when the apostle paul wrote work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. that is what each one is doing . i am going to throw a few examples
Bolts the admin is church of Christ what little i know about them they dont use music instruments in the worship service . many of the C of C feel they are the true Church . we have a few CoC in area mainly in northern part of ark has t.v programs. i am guess not all feel the same way . so we brand them heretic due to doctrine?
there are well over a hundred different type baptist each one has a different doctrine. some hold to osas. some don't.. so who makes the decision to label heretic/ false teaching.. the moment we slap the title false teaching/teacher . then that qualifies them NOT saved.
no two people are going to believe %100 .if WE all would focus on our walk as much as we do in disagreeing .think how much closer to God we would be.

it is good to discuss but there comes a time to let it be.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

what stakes do it ever occur he was through. see the moment he answers then a dozen more questions of i must prove my point of proving i am right. when the apostle paul wrote work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. that is what each one is doing . i am going to throw a few examples
Bolts the admin is church of Christ what little i know about them they dont use music instruments in the worship service . many of the C of C feel they are the true Church . we have a few CoC in area mainly in northern part of ark has t.v programs. i am guess not all feel the same way . so we brand them heretic due to doctrine?
there are well over a hundred different type baptist each one has a different doctrine. some hold to osas. some don't.. so who makes the decision to label heretic/ false teaching.. the moment we slap the title false teaching/teacher . then that qualifies them NOT saved.
no two people are going to believe %100 .if WE all would focus on our walk as much as we do in disagreeing .think how much closer to God we would be.

it is good to discuss but there comes a time to let it be.

You don't have to discuss the osas issue to look at what's eternal about eternal life in the Bible. You might be thinking, "yes, you do", but I'll show you that you do not. From there people are free to examine how that may affect what they think about osas.

 

[JLB]

does the grilling ever end? this is his way of saying we differ we just move on.. this is the big issue of discussing osas it keeps dragging on. it soon creates a political arena . what is the old saying we agree to disagree

I would agree with you except that the OP is about temporal salvation and he is the one that started the thread.

It would be nice to hear from a group of people who all have the same common purpose in that they all love the Lord, and love each other, and desire to present the truth from the scriptures.


If we address the content of the thread using scripture, I know we can all find common ground.


The trouble begins when a person begins to address the other person when he doesn’t like what they are discussing.


If I or another person takes the time to answer with honest dialog to find the answers that found in the scriptures, presenting several scriptures to discuss, and those scriptures are repeatedly dismissed and ignored, or being meet with disdain, then it becomes frustrating and demeaning rather than edifying and truthful.


Temporal salvation?

Salvation is eternal.

It’s His requirement for eternal salvation that some can disregard and find themselves in trouble with Him.

• And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him. Hebrews 5:9

If we have been granted citizenship in His kingdom because He is Lord, then we are required to continue to believe Him as Lord in which our believing results in obeying the laws of His kingdom that He governs.

His law is love.

He requires that we do not harm the other citizens of His kingdom, which are His children, but treat each other with love and kindness and mercy, the way He has so graciously treated us, forgiving our trespasses and sins, and welcoming us into His great kingdom.


He requires that we also obey Him to forgive others the way He has forgiven us, otherwise we could possibly forfeit the wonderful forgiveness He has so graciously offered.


Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’ And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him.
“So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.”
Matthew 18:33-35


This is just one of the areas where we need to obey the Lord, or the consequences will be horrible.


When we have been confronted by others about our behavior, once twice, even three times and we stubbornly ignore their pleas to repent from our ungodly behavior that is harmful to our brother, then we can expect to disassociated with the body and regarded as a sinner.


“Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector. Matthew 18:15-17



JLB

 

[Jethro Bodine]

no two people are going to believe %100 .if WE all would focus on our walk as much as we do in disagreeing .think how much closer to God we would be.

it is good to discuss but there comes a time to let it be.

How we live is exactly what counts in the Christian life. Living a life motivated by the fruit of the Spirit is what being a Christian is all about. So it's important to address doctrines that have the potential to lead a person away from what counts. What a person thinks is eternal about eternal life will in fact directly impact him or her living out that which counts in the Christian life. This is not just another casual topic of interest in the Bible.

 

[jerry63935]

there is no such thing as temporary salvation why is that hard to understand ? do you think it will wear off expire . that we need to get saved every day. i mean the plan of salvation is eternal .. 1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
why is it so hard to believe scripture let me repeat this slowlyyyyyyyyy .it is not a license or reason or excuse to sin. your making a mountain out of a ant hill.
2 Timothy 1:12
For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day. its not hard and its ok to say i have a know so salvation . we can go to be saved and wake up still saved .
even john 3:16 tells us we can have eternal life even peter said our inheritance is kept by the power of God .

no place in the Bible tells us to live in sin and still make it to heaven . if we are a new creation then old things are passed/ dead away . we are told by peter in 2nd peter 3 to grow in the grace and knowledge .to be able to say i am kept by God takes growth far to many out there think hope they are saved. there is no straddling the fence .

your either are or your not.. to grow we have to be connected to the true vine.. if were not bearing fruit then were not connected for the humtenth time i have explained this . you all feel free to discuss dissect it how ever you want. the plan of salvation is very serious and very precise . you can take any doctrine and make it how you want it. from osas to legalism . i know of churches that teach you to beg God every day to keep you saved.. how soon we forget BY FAITH how much faith? faith the size of a mustard seed paul wrote in romans he has given us all a measure of the faith . you figure out the measure

 

[jerry63935]

This is not just another casual topic of interest in the Bible.

who said it was????? is that what you consider it casual ?

 

[jerry63935]

When we have been confronted by others about our behavior, once twice, even three times and we stubbornly ignore their pleas to repent from our ungodly behavior that is harmful to our brother, then we can expect to disassociated with the body and regarded as a sinner.

Romans 3:23 all have sinned

 

[jerry63935]

You don't have to discuss the osas issue to look at what's eternal about eternal life in the Bible. You might be thinking, "yes, you do", but I'll show you that you do not. From there people are free to examine how that may affect what they think about osas.

guess what i don't ask anyone to jump aboard with how i believe

 

[Son of Israel]

Thank you Jesus for giving me Eternal Life!

Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

(Joh 17:3) And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Yep

 

[JLB]

Romans 3:23 all have sinned

Yes. The context being both Jew and Gentile.

Paul is using a legal argument to show the Jews need a Savior just as much as Gentiles.

Jews and Gentiles (men) make all the people in the world.


What advantage then has the Jew, or what is the profit of circumcision? Much in every way! Chiefly because to them were committed the oracles of God. For what if some did not believe? Will their unbelief make the faithfulness of God without effect? Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar. As it is written:
“That You may be justified in Your words,
And may overcome when You are judged...”
But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:1-4,21-23


Can a newborn believe the Gospel?

The context does not include new born babies who may have sin dwelling in their physical body, but do not yet know the difference between right and wrong.



Our discussion is about sin in our body at birth, and differentiating between having sin dwelling in our physical body and being a sinner.


The point that I am making is we are born with a body that contains sin.


A new born baby is innocent, until it grows a knows good from evil, which some call the age of accountability.


So my question would be: Is new born baby a sinner?

IOW, does a new born baby understand the difference between right and wrong, good and evil.


Here is the definition of a sinner.

Sinner - Strongs G268 — hamartōlos

1. devoted to sin, a sinner
   1. not free from sin
   2. pre-eminently sinful, especially wicked
      1. all wicked men
      2. specifically of men stained with certain definite vices or crimes
         1. tax collectors, heathen

Does this describe a new born baby?


Here’ what Jesus says —


Then Jesus called a little child to Him, set him in the midst of them, and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. Whoever receives one little child like this in My name receives Me. Matthew 18:2-5

• unless you are converted and become as little children,

JLB

 

[Son of Israel]

1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he >>>cannot sin<<<, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

 

[JLB]

Thank you Jesus for giving me Eternal Life!

Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

(Joh 17:3) And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Yep

John 10:28 is a great verse, however it’s only half a statement.

Whenever we see a sentence begin with a conjunction (and), a word that connects two thoughts or sentences, we should examine it as well.


My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. John 10:27-28


Hearing His Voice and in turn following him, results in eternal life.


:amen



JLB

 

[Son of Israel]

1Jn 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

 

[JLB]

1Jn 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

Amen. John could boldly say this about himself and those he knew who he was writing to.

The definition of eternal life is knowing God.

And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. John 17:3

This is an expression of intimacy, between a man and a woman or Christ and the Church.


Knowing Him is being joined to Him in which we are one spirit with Him, and therefore we are one spirit with eternal life in Christ.

But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
1 Corinthians 6:17


Those who are “in Christ” are joined with the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus our Lord.


There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1




JLB

 

[JLB]

1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he >>>cannot sin<<<, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God. 1 John 3:9


... can not continue practice sinning.




JLB

 

[jerry63935]

And this is eternal life,

this has know been changed to temporal life

 

[jerry63935]

Can a newborn believe the Gospel?

lol you should either be a politician or a lawyer you have more explanations than carter has peanuts