Temporal Salvation?

[JLB]

this has know been changed to temporal life

Sorry Jerry but eternal life is knowing Him.

This is the definition of eternal life given by Jesus Christ.


And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. John 17:3


He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 2:4


For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3


His Commandments define love; Loving God and loving our neighbor.


His Commandments are not burdensome.



If we have a problem with not murdering our neighbor or hating him, or committing adultery with our neighbors wife, then we need to go to God and confess our sin, and be cleansed of this unrighteousness.




JLB

 

[Jethro Bodine]

2 Timothy 1:12
For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

That's a good reason to keep believing!

 

[Jethro Bodine]

there is no such thing as temporary salvation why is that hard to understand ? do you think it will wear off expire .

It's not hard to understand.

The salvation God has provided through Christ will not peter out because Christ's ministry and sacrifice does not peter out and need to be done over again, like the ministry and the sacrifices of the Levites petered out and had to be done over and over again.

The Levitical priests died. And their sacrifices were consumed on the altar and did not remain.
But Christ's ministry never ends. He never dies, and his sacrifice is ever before the Father in heaven.
The salvation Christ secures for us is everlasting because his ministry is everlasting.

That's why we should continue to believe and trust in so great a salvation.
It isn't a matter of whether or not Christ is sufficient to save, and to save forever, but whether or not we're going to keep trusting in the ministry that saves forever and does not need to be repeated.

"14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven, f Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess." - Hebrews 4:14

"23 Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful." - Hebrews 10:23

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[JLB]

The most understandable and encouraging attribute concerning salvation is that of its permanency, after all, it is called “eternal salvation” (Heb 5:9). What part of salvation is temporary, seeing that one of the meanings of redemption is that of being saved from “eternal damnation” (Mar 3:29). Is it a sensible truism that one can be eternally saved and then not eternally saved? Thus being temporarily saved from “everlasting punishment” (Mat 25:46) is clearly a concept of an oxymoron?

Is it possible for our believing to be temporary?




JLB

 

[jerry63935]

Sorry Jerry but eternal life is knowing Him.

This is the definition of eternal life given by Jesus Christ.


And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. John 17:3


He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 2:4


For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3

hmmm john 17:3 a know so salvation i have ran onto very few who do not believe i am fully aware of what eternal life is.. i been showing it in post or have i been wrong? or is it based on the one posting it? you add believing and it is there but how do we believe and at what point do we stop being a believer ? since you got saved have you kept his commandments all the way? if no did you fall into condemnation point of no return?

 

[jerry63935]

It isn't a matter of whether or not Christ is sufficient to save, and to save forever, but whether or not we're going to keep trusting in the ministry that saves forever and does not need to be repeated.

really Christ has nothing to do with it... interesting
hebrews 7:
25 Therefore He is also able to save [a]to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.


Footnotes

1. Hebrews 7:25 completely or forever 2 :amen you just completely removed Christ out of the picture made it what we do

 

[JLB]

at what point do we stop being a believer ?

When we stop believing.

When a person is being persecuted because they are a believer, they can give in to the temptation to relieve their sufferIng, ie; stop the persecution, by turning away from the Lord.

In the following scripture the context is referring to Jews who turn to Christ, who are being persecuted because they are believers, from unbelieving Jews who are trying to force them to turn away from Christ, by turning back to Judaism, a religion that denies Jesus Christ as Messiah and Lord.


Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 8:12-13

• lest they should believe and be saved.

Believe, present tense is condition for being saved.

• who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away.

These who believe for a while, then no longer believe, did so while being persecuted because they were believers, Christians, those who believe Jesus is Lord; the promised Messiah.


They at one point did in fact believe, meeting the requirement Jesus said would cause them to be saved, and then they returned to unbelieving.

• Believe = Saved
• Believe for a while = Saved for a while

JLB

 

[Jethro Bodine]

really Christ has nothing to do with it... interesting

God has everything to do with you being able to believe and be saved. God must open the door of faith to you and grant you repentance in order for you to be saved:

"...they gathered the church together and reported all that God had done through them and how he had opened a door of faith to the Gentiles. " - Acts 14:27

"...in the hope that God will grant them repentance..." - 2 Timothy 2:25

"...even to Gentiles God has granted repentance that leads to life.” - Acts 11:18

"The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul’s message." - Acts 16:14

You can wish to be saved all you want but until God does this you aren't going to be saved. Salvation is a gracious and sovereign act of God, not man.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

hebrews 7:
25 Therefore He is also able to save [a]to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

What we learn from this passage is that the believer must continue to believe in order to be saved, because the ministry of Christ is a continuing ministry on behalf of the believer. If a person stops believing, Christ's intercessory ministry in heaven ends for them.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Hebrews 7:25 completely or forever 2 :amen you just completely removed Christ out of the picture made it what we do

The mistake you make is thinking you do absolutely nothing at all to be justified and saved:

"10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved." - Romans 10:10

You don't do nothing at all to be saved, as is popularly taught in church these days. What you don't do to be saved is work the works of the law to earn salvation. But you most certainly 'do' something to be saved, just not the works of the law. And as I've shown above you can't even do what you need to do to be saved until God enables you to do it. Salvation is a gracious act of God, not a reward for righteous work of the law completed. That's the proper argument.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

It isn't a matter of whether or not Christ is sufficient to save, and to save forever...

That goes without saying. That's not the part that is in question.
What is in question is whether you're going to continue to believe in the 'forever' ministry of Christ and be saved when he returns, or whether you're not going to continue to believe in his 'forever' ministry and be rejected when he returns.

 

[jerry63935]

the believer must continue to believe in order to be saved,

BELIEVE in what ? the devil believes

You don't do nothing at all to be saved

then explain grace the finished works of the cross IT IS FINISHED the payment /debt has been fully paid. the resurrection gives us the newness of Life resurrection power Romans 8:10-12

10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

but salvation is eternal in the o,t the sacrifices was external .they did not peter out as you suggested .but served the purpose till Christ came

Hebrews 9:12-14
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Hebrews 10:3-5

3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
yes with the mouth confession is made ..but the heart has to be right .which can only be of God .
Jeremiah 24:7
And I will give them an heart to know me, that I am the LORD: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto me with their whole heart.

 

[jerry63935]

When we stop believing.

not bad .butttttt even the guys in the local Bar believe

 

[jerry63935]

When we stop believing.

When a person is being persecuted because they are a believer, they can give in to the temptation to relieve their sufferIng, ie; stop the persecution, by turning away from the Lord.

In the following scripture the context is referring to Jews who turn to Christ, who are being persecuted because they are believers, from unbelieving Jews who are trying to force them to turn away from Christ, by turning back to Judaism, a religion that denies Jesus Christ as Messiah and Lord.


Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 8:12-13

• lest they should believe and be saved.

Believe, present tense is condition for being saved.

• who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away.

These who believe for a while, then no longer believe, did so while being persecuted because they were believers, Christians, those who believe Jesus is Lord; the promised Messiah.


They at one point did in fact believe, meeting the requirement Jesus said would cause them to be saved, and then they returned to unbelieving.

• Believe = Saved
• Believe for a while = Saved for a while

JLB

aww the parable of the sower we use the words fell by the wayside.. but in reality the way side is soil packed down no way a seed can even survive on that soil . it takes the good ground

 

[JLB]

not bad .butttttt even the guys in the local Bar believe

Who do they obey?

 

[netchaplain]

Is it possible for our believing to be temporary?
JLB

What would one be able to conclude if he said he believes and then later say he doesn't believe? It would more likely be he hasn't yet truly believed, because one eventually knows for certain if they believe or not (2Ti 1:12).

 

[JLB]

What would one be able to conclude if he said he believes and then later say he doesn't believe? It would more likely be he hasn't yet truly believed, because one eventually knows for certain if they believe or not (2Ti 1:12).

That may certainly be the case in the scenario you mentioned.

However, Jesus teaches something else.


When a person is being persecuted because they are a believer, they can give in to the temptation to relieve their sufferIng, ie; stop the persecution, by turning away from the Lord.

In the following scripture the context is referring to Jews who turn to Christ, who are being persecuted because they are believers, from unbelieving Jews who are trying to force them to turn away from Christ, by turning back to Judaism, a religion that denies Jesus Christ as Messiah and Lord.


Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 8:12-13

• lest they should believe and be saved.

Believe, present tense is the condition required for being saved.

• who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away.

These who believe for a while, then no longer believe, did so while being persecuted because they were believers, Christians, those who believe Jesus is Lord; the promised Messiah.


They at one point did in fact believe, meeting the requirement Jesus said would cause them to be saved, and then they returned to unbelieving.

• Believe = Saved
• Believe for a while = Saved for a while

 

[Link1983]

Many good answers here! I personally believe that the answer to a question should not and need not be longer than I have to.
Some people talk way to much!
Salvation is of the heart not of the mind!


When there are many words, transgression and offense are unavoidable, But he who controls his lips and keeps thoughtful silence is wise.
Proverbs 10:19 AMP

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When there are many words, transgression and offense are unavoidable, But he who controls his lips and keeps thoughtful silence is wise.

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[jerry63935]

Believe for a while = Saved for a while

scripture that says them exact words with saved for a while solo scripture

 

[JLB]

scripture that says them exact words with saved for a while solo scripture

Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 8:12-13

• lest they should believe and be saved.

• who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away.

Based on what Jesus taught us here, what is the condition for being saved?



JLB