The Trinity

[evechot]

Should you believe it? Do you believen in the Trinity? Most people in christendom do. After all, it has been the central doctrine of the churches for centuries.
In view of this, you would think that there could be no questions about it. But there is, and lately even some of its supporters have added fuel to the controversy.
Why should a subject like this be of any more than passing interest? Because Jesus himself said "Eternal like is this: to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent forth". John 17:3 So our entire future hinges on our knowing the true nature of God, and that means getting to the root of the Trinity controversy. Therefore, why no examin it for ourself?

 

[Arj]

Too know the Holy Spirit and Jesus is too know god

 

[Roel]

Should you believe it? Do you believen in the Trinity? Most people in christendom do. After all, it has been the central doctrine of the churches for centuries.
In view of this, you would think that there could be no questions about it. But there is, and lately even some of its supporters have added fuel to the controversy.
Why should a subject like this be of any more than passing interest? Because Jesus himself said "Eternal like is this: to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent forth". John 17:3 So our entire future hinges on our knowing the true nature of God, and that means getting to the root of the Trinity controversy. Therefore, why no examin it for ourself?

The Holy Trinity is not explicitly mentioned in the Bible. Nevertheless, from other mentionings e.g. from Jesus Himself we learn that Jesus is the Son of God, sent forth by God as the Redeemer. That God is our Holy Father as Jesus refers to Him, and that there is a Holy Spirit. In other words, there are three different mentionings of the essence of God in the Bible. Three different manifistations of the same God.

 

[Robert Cragg]

The Holy Trinity is one of the most difficult things to understand.
See if my examples works. I'm one man, but yet I have 3 different jobs in my family.
1. I'm a husband. 2. I'm a father. 3. I'm a grandfather.
Now I'm having a discussion with my wife, my grandson comes up and needs to ask me something, now I start to talk to him I'm now a grand father, although I have not forgotten what I said to my wife. In enters my son he says hi dad. I respond hell-o son at that moment I'm a dad. As a dad, I still remain a grand Father, and a husband. I'm in all three roles. When Jesus was on the earth as a man He did the will of of The Father. Now after Jesus died & was resurected He came back to earth for a while. Then He said " I must leave, but I will send another the comforter." He was referring to The Holy Spirit, one thing The Holy Spirit does is comfort us. Now think about what life would be like without The Holy Spirits comfort. When we talk about the Bible we say it is God breathed. The different writers wrote the words but under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. He is the one who breathed life into Adam and even into Jesus in the Grave each person of the Holy Trinity is fully seperate and yet all are fully God. I hope I didn't make it more confusing. God Bless Everyone.

 

[Devekut]

That analogy does have its limits. We must be careful to not stray into modalism, which states that God only functions or appears in three different ways.

Our God is a Trinity, that is, He is a communion of persons, a society unto himself. Love unto himself.

This is what separates Christianity apart from other monotheisms.

God is truly love itself. He loves himself yes, but it is not *selfish love*. God's self love is a dynamic relationship within his own being. In Islam or Judaism this can not be said. The Father selflessly loving the Son, the Son the Father and both the Spirit. Each member of the Trinity loves first the other, in turn, is first loved by the other. God's self love is foremost a love that arises selflessly within himself.

God loves himself fully. But he does not love himself selfishly. This is why I consider the Trinity to be the most sophisticated understanding of God.

 

[Arj]

Jesus said"God is spirit".

 

[Imagican]

It's amazing how easily 'trinity' is accepted today.

The 'creation' of this 'idea' was one that took HUNDREDS of years AFTER the death of Christ to be INSTITUTED into 'Christianity'. And there were STILL MANY 'Christians' that REFUSED to accept this 'concept' For MANY hundreds of years AFTER the CC mandated it's acceptance.

"Trinity" is simply a 'philosophical' man-made concept that was NEVER offered through scripture. Yet there are those, (most professed Christians), that will INSIST that it MUST be adhered to REGARDLESS of it NOT being taught in scripture. NEVER having been mentioned by a SINGLE apostle.

Awful strange that a 'concept' that has become SO important in the 'Christian community' could have taken hundreds of years AFTER the death of Christ to have been 'discovered'. Seems that IF it were SO important to God for man to KNOW, it would have been offered and defined by the apostles or even Christ Himself.

MEC

 

[knowledge]

22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
Luke 3:22

I believe in the GodHead, being 3 seperate individuals with 1 purpose. It shows this plainly above.

 

[Free]

I believe in the GodHead, being 3 seperate individuals with 1 purpose. It shows this plainly above.

How does it show that they are one in purpose?

 

[Imagican]

I believe in the GodHead, being 3 seperate individuals with 1 purpose. It shows this plainly above.

How does it show that they are one in purpose?

Free,

God IS Love. Period. So far as mankind is concerned this is a TRUE statement.

Christ was the example of LOVE offered by God and His Son. This TOO is a TRUTH.

The Holy Spirit is that which is 'left' behind as a 'guide' in the understanding of the two offered above.

This PLAINLY offers that in PURPOSE, ALL three are the SAME; Attempting to bring mankind INTO the LOVE of God and to TEACH them to LOVE one another. It's really THAT SIMPLE. Nothing 'complex' about it until 'someone' comes along that is UNABLE to understand such simplicity. They they ATTEMPT to 'add to it' their OWN understanding which is NOTHING more than the 'nature of this world'. At this point 'understanding' BECOMES 'religion' and there is LITTLE to be gained by 'religion' CREATED by mankind.

'Trinity' itself is a 'man-made' concept. The word and idea itself IS 'man-made'. For God has NEVER offered this word or concept in ANY of His gifts to mankind. NEVER ONCE has it been mentioned in mankinds entire existence and relationship with God UNTIL a few hundred years AFTER the death of Christ and His apostles.

And we were warned NOT to accept or follow ANY doctrine that offered divergence from that GIVEN us through the apostles. The apostles, my friend, taught NO 'trinity'. This was a Greeco, Roman concept that they had obtained from the Persian/Egyptians. For this concept of 'trinity' was NOTHING new even at the 'time' of Christ. It had been in existence PERHAPS since the dawning of mankinds 'spirituality'. Three EQUAL gods that were AS ONE.

But, it can CLEARLY be 'seen' to any willing to LOOK that 'trinity' WAS 'created'. Not OFFERED by God, but 'created by men' bent on the desire to understand BEYOND what has been offered.

And the nature of it's introduction to 'Christianity' is as suspect as the NATURE of the 'doctrine' itself. For it was NOT something that was simply 'accepted' by those that loved God and His Son; it was basically FORCE FED to those under the influence of it's 'creators'. Making 'law' that it was a 'death sentence' to even speak out against it'. LAW, do you get it? After Christ FREEING His followers FROM the LAW, others came along DIRECTLY after His resserection and 'created MORE LAW' in His name. Does this make ANY sense whatsoever? Christ 'frees us' from the LAW and then those that profess to follow in His footsteps INSTITUTE MORE LAW in His name?

We were NEVER offered in The Word that, 'those that profess Christ IS God will be 'saved'. We were TOLD that 'those that profess and believe that Jesus Christ IS the Son of God shall be saved'. For the CONCEPT of 'trinity' was not even MENTIONED by Christ or His apostles, (those PERSONALLY CHOSEN to 'spread The Word').

The simple PLACE that 'trinity' holds in 'religion' today points to it's falibility. For it is NOT something that is UNDERSTOOD without 'someone that believed in it FIRST' to explain it to them. Love IS understandable without 'definition' to those that accept Christ into their hearts. Yet I have accepted Christ into MY HEART and i KNOW no 'trinity'.

MEC

 

[Free]

Awful strange that a 'concept' that has become SO important in the 'Christian community' could have taken hundreds of years AFTER the death of Christ to have been 'discovered'.

Stop being misleading with your version of history. The idea of Jesus being God is found in writings outside of Canon in the very early second century and possibly in the first. Of course, the NT was written prior to the end of the first century and it clearly shows that Jesus is God, or better yet, the God-man.

This PLAINLY offers that in PURPOSE, ALL three are the SAME; Attempting to bring mankind INTO the LOVE of God and to TEACH them to LOVE one another.

My point was that the verse given as proof shows no such thing.

And not that I am going to get into this too much with you, but I have a question:

God IS Love.

Who did God then love before Creation?

 

[Imagican]

Awful strange that a 'concept' that has become SO important in the 'Christian community' could have taken hundreds of years AFTER the death of Christ to have been 'discovered'.

Stop being misleading with your version of history. The idea of Jesus being God is found in writings outside of Canon in the very early second century and possibly in the first. Of course, the NT was written prior to the end of the first century and it clearly shows that Jesus is God, or better yet, the God-man.

Free, you openly admitted in this post that the IDEA of 'trinity' wasn't EVEN WRITTEN about UNTIL the second century. That IS TWO hundred years AFTER the death of Christ. You SAY possibly the FIRST hundred years AFTER His death but there is OBVIOUSLY no 'proof' of this statement.

Now SHOW US that there IS this God-man WRITTEN in The Word. I can show you PLAINLY that Jesus STATES that He IS the Son of God. I have YET to find a statement in which He PLAINLY states that HE IS GOD. He even takes it STEPS beyond a simple offering of WHO He is, He also offers that there are THINGS that ONLY The Father knows. Information that at the time EVEN HE was unable to fathom or simply information that He was NOT priviledged to. And He states that The Father is HIS God as well as ours. Pretty deceptive stuff IF He WAS God while making such statements.

This PLAINLY offers that in PURPOSE, ALL three are the SAME; Attempting to bring mankind INTO the LOVE of God and to TEACH them to LOVE one another.

My point was that the verse given as proof shows no such thing.

'The Same' is IN purpose. For we KNOW that there ARE three SEPARATE entities in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The CC doesn't even teach contrary to THIS. All they determined in their 'man-made trinity' is that ALL three are of the 'same substance'. NOT THE SAME PERIOD. For there is The Father who Christ Himself stated is GREATER than He. And there is Christ who IS The Son of God. And there is the Holy Spirit which is NOT either God or His son. For Christ stated that it would 'come' later. Each being 'of God' but each bearing a 'separate' interaction with mankind but of the SAME purpose.



And not that I am going to get into this too much with you, but I have a question:

God IS Love.

Who did God then love before Creation?

Before the 'Creation' of WHAT?

If you refer to the Creation of this planet and mankind, that's an EASY one to answer. He loved ALL that existed in HEAVEN. He loved Lucifer, His Son, the angels ect........ Whatever existed previous to the Creation that WE know of and PREVIOUS to the rebelion in heaven. And so far as I'm concerned, I would be willing to state that He STILL loves Satan. Just as ANY Father would STILL 'love' His wayward children, God STILL loves all that He EVER did. That IS the NATURE of LOVE. We were told by Christ Himself, The Son of God, that we ARE to LOVE our enemies. Would this be ANY different than with God? If indeed He IS Love, then how could He NOT be the PERFECT example of it?

MEC

 

[Imagican]

The Holy Trinity is one of the most difficult things to understand.

And let me ask this: For those that God CHOOSES to 'reveal' Himself TO, would it BE difficult to UNDERSTAND WHO He IS? Who Christ IS? What the Holy Spirit IS? In other words, could it POSSIBLY BE difficult to understand The TRUE God IF He were to TRULY 'reveal Himself' TO an individual?

See if my examples works. I'm one man, but yet I have 3 different jobs in my family.
1. I'm a husband. 2. I'm a father. 3. I'm a grandfather.
Now I'm having a discussion with my wife, my grandson comes up and needs to ask me something, now I start to talk to him I'm now a grand father, although I have not forgotten what I said to my wife. In enters my son he says hi dad. I respond hell-o son at that moment I'm a dad. As a dad, I still remain a grand Father, and a husband. I'm in all three roles. When Jesus was on the earth as a man He did the will of of The Father.

Ok, what you have offered here SOUNDS good. But, is GOD able to BE described in a PHYSICAL sense. For we HAVE been TOLD that God IS Spiritual. So, wouldn't it be a 'waste of time' and 'false assumption' to even ATTEMPT to describe HIM or His nature through PHYSICAL means? What WE are CONFINED to so far as this PHYSICAL world God IS NOT.

Now after Jesus died & was resurected He came back to earth for a while. Then He said " I must leave, but I will send another the comforter." He was referring to The Holy Spirit, one thing The Holy Spirit does is comfort us. Now think about what life would be like without The Holy Spirits comfort. When we talk about the Bible we say it is God breathed. The different writers wrote the words but under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. He is the one who breathed life into Adam and even into Jesus in the Grave each person of the Holy Trinity is fully seperate and yet all are fully God. I hope I didn't make it more confusing. God Bless Everyone.

Robert,

It is IMPOSSIBLE to 'make trinity' MORE confusing. For of ALL that I have HEARD give explanation of this 'concept', yours is NO MORE confusing that the rest. And at present, I have YET to find ANYONE that is ABLE to explain it WITHOUT it BEING confusing. Even to those that have accepted it, 'trinity' is STILL confusing. They profess to 'believe it', but at the same time openly ADMIT that it is NOT something that they can COMPLETELY understand.

My question is THIS: IF it CANNOT be UTTERLY understood, why was it INTRODUCED into Christianity to start with. For we already had a 'mysterious' explanation of the relationship between God, Christ and The Holy Spirit, it is called the Godhead. So, WHY introduce a 'concept' that is NO easier to understand, NO MORE deifinative, than that which WAS offered in scripture? If it is NOT able to BE understood, then it is pretty clear that it was NOT offered through God. For God IS Our Father who WANTS His children to KNOW Him. Christ IS His Son who LIVES in the hearts of those that accept Him and follow His commandments. The Holy Spirit IS the comforter that was 'left behind' to guide us.

Tell a child of this 'trinity' and simply WATCH the 'confusion' on their face and LISTEN to their questions. Tell a child about the Son of God and it IS something that they CAN grasp and UNDERSTAND. Christ STATED that those with the INNOCENCE and ablity to ACCEPT Him AS A CHILD would BE the one's that would INHERIT His KINGDOM. The Kingdom IS HERE, right this very minute........in the hearts of those that have accepted Christ and follow His commandments.

MEC

 

[Free]

Free, you openly admitted in this post that the IDEA of 'trinity' wasn't EVEN WRITTEN about UNTIL the second century. That IS TWO hundred years AFTER the death of Christ. You SAY possibly the FIRST hundred years AFTER His death but there is OBVIOUSLY no 'proof' of this statement.

The first century is the first 100 years beginning with Christ's death. The second century is the following 100 years, or 100 AD - 200 AD. In other words, when I stated the "very early second century" it doesn't mean 200 years after Christ's death, but just over 100 years.

Ignatius (AD 30-107):

"Ignatius, who is also called Theophorus, to the Church which is at Ephesus, in Asia, deservedly most happy, being blessed in the greatness and fulness of God the Father, and predestinated before the beginning of time, that it should be always for an enduring and unchangeable glory, being united and elected through the true passion by the will of the Father, and Jesus Christ, our God:"

"There is one Physician who is possessed both of flesh and spirit; both made and not made; God existing in flesh; true life in death; both of Mary and of God; first passible and then impassible,â€â€even Jesus Christ our Lord."

There is your proof. The idea that Jesus was God was around for a long time prior to the Council of Nicea in 325.

Now SHOW US that there IS this God-man WRITTEN in The Word. I can show you PLAINLY that Jesus STATES that He IS the Son of God. I have YET to find a statement in which He PLAINLY states that HE IS GOD. He even takes it STEPS beyond a simple offering of WHO He is, He also offers that there are THINGS that ONLY The Father knows. Information that at the time EVEN HE was unable to fathom or simply information that He was NOT priviledged to. And He states that The Father is HIS God as well as ours. Pretty deceptive stuff IF He WAS God while making such statements.

I can show you and have shown you on several occasions. What you continue to ignore, and what I have repeatedly shown to be the case, is that your position fails to take into account all that the Scriptures reveal about Jesus and God. The doctrine of the Trinity on the other hand takes it all into account, even your supposed Scriptures which "prove" the Trinity to be false. While you must necessarily ignore or twist certain passages to mean something other than what they plainly mean, the doctrine of the Trinity neither ignores nor twists anything--it doesn't need to.

Who did God then love before Creation?

Before the 'Creation' of WHAT?

What do you think? Before the creation of everything--that is what is generally understood to be the case when one speaks of Creation.

That you even had to ask shows the lack in your position and understanding of Scripture. It is your position which makes it necessary to split certain passages or concepts into two parts in order to fit your erroneous theology.

If you refer to the Creation of this planet and mankind, that's an EASY one to answer.

Seeing as how this is not what is meant when one uses the term "Creation", what is your answer?

 

[Imagican]

Free, you openly admitted in this post that the IDEA of 'trinity' wasn't EVEN WRITTEN about UNTIL the second century. That IS TWO hundred years AFTER the death of Christ. You SAY possibly the FIRST hundred years AFTER His death but there is OBVIOUSLY no 'proof' of this statement.

The first century is the first 100 years beginning with Christ's death. The second century is the following 100 years, or 100 AD - 200 AD. In other words, when I stated the "very early second century" it doesn't mean 200 years after Christ's death, but just over 100 years.

Ignatius (AD 30-107):

"Ignatius, who is also called Theophorus, to the Church which is at Ephesus, in Asia, deservedly most happy, being blessed in the greatness and fulness of God the Father, and predestinated before the beginning of time, that it should be always for an enduring and unchangeable glory, being united and elected through the true passion by the will of the Father, and Jesus Christ, our God:"

"There is one Physician who is possessed both of flesh and spirit; both made and not made; God existing in flesh; true life in death; both of Mary and of God; first passible and then impassible,â€â€even Jesus Christ our Lord."

There is your proof. The idea that Jesus was God was around for a long time prior to the Council of Nicea in 325.

Pretty BIG stretch from the quote that you have offered to 'trinity', which even the phrase itself was NOT introduced into Christianity until a MUCH later date. And the POINT of this thread is NOT who or how many 'belived' Jesus to BE God, but the actual 'doctrine' of the 'trinity'. EXACTLY what I have been TRYING to explain is that it TOOK hundreds of years to FORMULATE this doctrine. It most CERTAINLY 'started' somewhere BEFORE it was institued INTO Catholic tradition and LAW. But the TRUTH is that it was NOT EVEN SPOKEN OF until about 170-200 AD. And even then ONLY as informational opinonism by what are CALLED, (by the CC), the 'fathers of Christianity'. Yet even the Word offers that the TRUE APOSTLES were the FATHERS Of Chrstianity.

Now SHOW US that there IS this God-man WRITTEN in The Word. I can show you PLAINLY that Jesus STATES that He IS the Son of God. I have YET to find a statement in which He PLAINLY states that HE IS GOD. He even takes it STEPS beyond a simple offering of WHO He is, He also offers that there are THINGS that ONLY The Father knows. Information that at the time EVEN HE was unable to fathom or simply information that He was NOT priviledged to. And He states that The Father is HIS God as well as ours. Pretty deceptive stuff IF He WAS God while making such statements.

I can show you and have shown you on several occasions. What you continue to ignore, and what I have repeatedly shown to be the case, is that your position fails to take into account all that the Scriptures reveal about Jesus and God. The doctrine of the Trinity on the other hand takes it all into account, even your supposed Scriptures which "prove" the Trinity to be false. While you must necessarily ignore or twist certain passages to mean something other than what they plainly mean, the doctrine of the Trinity neither ignores nor twists anything--it doesn't need to.

And I propose that NO amount of 'philosophical mysticism' is able to offer ANY more than what had already been offered. I can show you CLEARLY where the bible states that NO MAN has EVER SEEN God. For Christ to BE God, ALL that witnessed His presence on this planet WOULD have SEEN Him. Thus, either The Word is NOT accurate, or God has NEVER been SEEN by ANY MAN.

So, the attempt to offer that 'trinity' is SIMPLY a culmination of ALL the scriptures CANNOT be 'true'. For the simple statement that I have offered ABOVE refutes this 'claim'. And the doctrine of 'trinity' would HAVE to ignore or TWIST this scripture. For the 'trinity' to offer that Christ IS God would COMPLETELY refute that words offered through scripture that PLAINLY offer that God IS the Father of Christ as well as what I have offered above.

Who did God then love before Creation?

Before the 'Creation' of WHAT?

What do you think? Before the creation of everything--that is what is generally understood to be the case when one speaks of Creation.

That you even had to ask shows the lack in your position and understanding of Scripture. It is your position which makes it necessary to split certain passages or concepts into two parts in order to fit your erroneous theology.

If you refer to the Creation of this planet and mankind, that's an EASY one to answer.

Seeing as how this is not what is meant when one uses the term "Creation", what is your answer?

You still haven't offered a 'precise' explanation of the question that you asked.

Are you of the 'opinion' that there has ONLY been ONE Creation? If so, then I don't know how to answer your question in any way that you would be able to accept or even understand. For we have absolutely NO idea exactly HOW MANY 'creations' there have been. We are ONLY priviledged with CERTAIN information concerning EVEN OUR OWN 'Creation'. So that in NO WAY limits ALL of 'creation' to that of which we HAVE been informed.

There is not a 'reasonable' person on this planet that is able to say with ANY certainty, (much LESS offer ANY PROOF through scripture), that this world is the ONLY 'thing' that has EVER been created. I'm am quite sure that any 'thinking' individual when posed the possibility would ONLY be able to come to ONE conclusion concerning the EVENTS concerning the HISTORY of God. Since He IS eternal, we have NOT been GIVEN every PIECE of information concerning Him or even information concerning EVERY thing that He has 'created'. We learn more and more each day how VAST our universe is. Yet there is NO information concerning these 'discoveries' that we make other than rudimentary allusion to 'stars' and 'heaven' and such.

Now, I have attempted to answer your question. Previous to the 'creation' that we have been informed of, God would have LOVED that which existed PREVIOUS to it. Including the MOST gifted of all angels; Lucifer.

My question; Did the 'rebelion' in heaven happen BEFORE or AFTER the 'creation' of mankind?

MEC

 

[Free]

You still haven't offered a 'precise' explanation of the question that you asked.

A precise explanation isn't needed--this is a simple question.

Are you of the 'opinion' that there has ONLY been ONE Creation?

Of course, that is clearly what the Bible reveals. Read Genesis 1.

For we have absolutely NO idea exactly HOW MANY 'creations' there have been. We are ONLY priviledged with CERTAIN information concerning EVEN OUR OWN 'Creation'. So that in NO WAY limits ALL of 'creation' to that of which we HAVE been informed.

So you are in agreement with Eastern philosophy. I'm not surprised.

Now, I have attempted to answer your question. Previous to the 'creation' that we have been informed of, God would have LOVED that which existed PREVIOUS to it. Including the MOST gifted of all angels; Lucifer.

There is one Creation mentioned in Scripture and that is the one to which I am obviously referring to.

Now, answer the question.

 

[Imagican]

I guess the answer that you are looking for is 'Himself'?

For if Jesus IS God, and HE created EVERYTHING, then He could ONLY have loved HIMSELF previous to 'creation'.

MEC

 

[Imagican]

And NO, Free, I am NOT in agreement with ANY 'Eastern philosophy'. By stating that ALL we have been GIVEN is a 'limited' understanding of EVERYTHING, I have simply offered that our KNOWLEDGE is LIMITED. This in NO way indicates that I am in agreement with ANYTHING other than THAT.

Once again, it is YOU and those that INSIST upon an ABILITY of KNOWING EVERYTHING that would 'create' that which has NOT been revealed.

Do you propose that we have been offered information concerning EVERYTHING of God?

MEC

 

[Guest]

Is God Triune?

Trinitarian Christians believe God is 3 in one, 3 persons making up the complete Godhead, they claim God is ?triune'. However so there are quite a few problems with this doctrine, for starters the word Trinity is not mentioned once in the entire Bible! Isn't that interesting? That this main doctrine for a large group of Christians is not even mentioned one time? It could have been very easy for Jesus to have said Trinity, or his followers to have done likewise, but this never occurred once.

Now Christians admit the word Trinity isn't in the Bible, but they claim its teaching is, which is not true at all! As I said, Trinity believes in a triune God, that God is 3 in one, yet this teaching and doctrine is not in the Bible neither! Rather let us see what the doctrine is:

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4)"

Notice the verse says that God is ONE, it does not say God is three in one, or that God is triune, it says ONE, and obviously triune and being one are two different things, Moses could have easily said God is triune, or God is three in one, yet he says God is ONE.

"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. (From the NIV Bible, Mark 12:29)"

Here we have Jesus saying the Lord is One, again why did not Jesus say God is triune, or God is three in one! This doctrine of Trinity is missing yet again. It would have been very easy for Jesus to have said God is triune, or three in one, again just like Moses, he said no such thing. This all makes it crystal clear, there is no such thing as a Trinity, no prophet taught this doctrine, it is a simple man made up doctrine which has nothing to do with God!

 

[Free]

for starters the word Trinity is not mentioned once in the entire Bible! Isn't that interesting?

No, it's irrelevant is what it is.

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4)"

Notice the verse says that God is ONE, it does not say God is three in one, or that God is triune, it says ONE, and obviously triune and being one are two different things, Moses could have easily said God is triune, or God is three in one, yet he says God is ONE.

This is not a verse about the nature of God. All this verse is stating is that God is the only God--it is a claim to monotheism as opposed to the polytheism. That is it, nothing more.