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Here's the lexicon entry for the word. I'm no expert in Greek, but I know a guy on TV who played one.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G4102&t=KJV

According to this source, that word, as applied biblically to God, means:
the conviction that God exists and is the creator and ruler of all things, the provider and bestower of eternal salvation through Christ​
As applied biblically to Christ:
a strong and welcome conviction or belief that Jesus is the Messiah, through whom we obtain eternal salvation in the kingdom of God​

If you are presenting an example of my being unable to prove something if you don't want to hear it? I would concede that point readily. A man, convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still.
 
“The Invention of Lying” is an entertaining movie that premiered in theatres in 2009 where the stage is set in a world where lying does not exist. Not even as a concept. The main character, Mark, develops the ability to lie and soon discovers that dishonesty has great advantages. In one scene Mark's mother lay on her deathbed and confessed her fear of an 'eternity of nothingness'. Her son, who had only recently become the first man to lie in all of history understandably wanted to comfort her.

In the very last seconds of his mother's life he spoke, using his newfound talent of lying in order to ease her pain, he first empathises with a sigh, "Oh, Mom," Then, a new thought, as he commiserates with her plight, and a moment later, the traces of his *new* idea could be seen to cross his face. "Mom," he said, now hopeful, "Listen to me."

"Listen carefully."

"You're wrong about what happens after you die," he solemnly assured her, "it's not going to turn into eternal nothingness."

A glimmer of hope appears in her eyes. She had absolutely no experience or knowledge of lying and was incapable of even the conception of the idea that anybody could (this is the very premise of the movie). The sound of her affirmation was heard, "Ah-huh." The dejected expression on her face changes, slightly at first.

"You'll go to your favorite place in the whole world," he said. "And everyone you've ever loved and who has ever loved you will be there."

Tears of joy began to well up in her eyes and her son continued, "And... you'll be young again."

"You'll run and jump, like you used to. And dance." The timber of his voice carried his concern, touching his audience and his mother equally for the doctors and nurses had gathered behind them hanging on his every word.

"You used to dance," he sobbed. "And there's no pain." Now openly weeping, "There's love." "Happiness."

The next sentence caught my attention as it seemed a direct plagiarism of what Jesus has promised, "And everyone gets a mansion." He is still weeping, "... and it lasts for eternity." "An eternity, Mom." It was then that the elderly woman breathed her last breath at the sound of her son's last words, filled with promise, "Say hello to Dad for me." His voice trailed off as his mother passed.

The tenderness continued and the contrived movie moment was drawn out for effect, "Tell him I love him."

[Camera zooms back to pan the room, now filled with witnesses] The other patients and their care providers are enraptured by the lie. "Go on," says one. "What else happens?" asks another.

*******************************************

Interesting premise, right? "The Invention of the Lie." I thought of this thread and brought my little transcription of the screenplay here because although there are several things that this "lie" holds in common with the Bible and the Word of God, there are also some things that I deem fabrications simply because they don't line up with the Word of Truth. Things like, "everybody whom you have ever loved or has ever loved you will be there..."

Pretty remarkable omission on the part of the Apostles there, well, that is, if they were lying. But given that God gave Jesus the words to speak and that His son faithfully spoke them, then in turn, those whom Jesus sent to speak the truth also spoke what they heard and did not embellish, this omission isn't that remarkable. Instead it comprises a sort of evidence, does it not? It does to me, again, for what that is worth.

What is remarkable is that this movie then implies that eternal nothingness is the Truth which is clearly an oxymoron. Since this man has never died he could not possibly know so as to be able to knowingly lie about it.
 
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Interesting thread. It discusses some of the very issues I presented in another thread that a friend of mine and I were going back and forward over.
 
I'll begin by saying that it is my belief that Jesus of Nazareth is in fact the Son of the living God and His Anointed One. I know most here will agree with me in that regard. But rather than stating what our belief is about Jesus, I started this thread so that we can share WHY we believe as we do giving scriptural support for our beliefs. I hope that this will challenge many and in the process lead us into more truth and at the very least cause us to "sharpen our swords."

Many do not believe Jesus was the Messiah and they have used the following verses as proof that Jesus did not fulfill the OT's requirements. What say you?

Perhaps you can clarify why you state you are not a christian. Jesus used truth and the written testimony Has Him and His disciples stating He is the Christ. Hence the name Christ-ian.

Randy
 
Whose Son is the Christ?

Matthew 22:41-46
41 Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them this question: 42 “What do you think of the Messiah?[a] Whose son is he?” They said to him, “The son of David.” 43 He said to them, “How is it then that David by the Spirit calls him Lord, saying,
44 ‘The Lord said to my Lord,[c]
“Sit at my right hand,
until I put your enemies under your feet”’?
45 If David thus calls him Lord, how can he be his son?” 46 No one was able to give him an answer, nor from that day did anyone dare to ask him any more questions.


Footnotes:


Matthew 22:42 [a] Or Christ
Matthew 22:43 Gk in spirit
Psalm 110:1 [c]


Coming on the Clouds of Heaven Daniel 7

I watched then because of the noise of the arrogant words that the horn was speaking. And as I watched, the beast was put to death, and its body destroyed and given over to be burned with fire.12 As for the rest of the beasts, their dominion was taken away, but their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.13 As I watched in the night visions,

I saw one like a human being[e]coming with the clouds of heaven.
And he came to the Ancient One[f]and was presented before him.14 To him was given dominion and glory and kingship,
that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion that shall not pass away,
and his kingship is one that shall never be destroyed.

[e] Aram one like a son of man


Jesus before the Sanhedrin: mark 14 53-65

53 They took Jesus to the high priest; and all the chief priests, the elders, and the scribes were assembled. 54 Peter had followed him at a distance, right into the courtyard of the high priest; and he was sitting with the guards, warming himself at the fire. 55 Now the chief priests and the whole council were looking for testimony against Jesus to put him to death; but they found none. 56 For many gave false testimony against him, and their testimony did not agree. 57 Some stood up and gave false testimony against him, saying, 58 “We heard him say, ‘I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and in three days I will build another, not made with hands.’” 59 But even on this point their testimony did not agree. 60 Then the high priest stood up before them and asked Jesus, “Have you no answer? What is it that they testify against you?” 61 But he was silent and did not answer. Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah,[a] the Son of the Blessed One?” 62 Jesus said, “I am; and

‘you will see the Son of Man
seated at the right hand of the Power,’
and ‘coming with the clouds of heaven.’”


63 Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, “Why do we still need witnesses? 64 You have heard his blasphemy! What is your decision?” All of them condemned him as deserving death. 65 Some began to spit on him, to blindfold him, and to strike him, saying to him, “Prophesy!” The guards also took him over and beat him.
 
After reading through almost all of the comments, I'd venture to say that the thread's premise is that Jesus can't be shown to be the Messiah by using the Old Testament verses ALONE that are clearly Messianic. Verses that the New Testamant claim are Messianic that weren't specified as such in the OT (like Isaiah 7:14) cannot be utilized to make the case.

Wow! Talk about a LOADED thread. This may take a while, but I'm game for the challenge I think........
 
Jesus said he was the Christ. It all comes down to is if people believe he rose from the dead so they can trust and believe everything he said was truth. If he didn't rise from the dead he was a complete joke, if he did you can surely put your trust in him. According to many eye witness accounts he surely did rise from the dead. It's a historical fact he was crucified and many people claim to have seen and spoken to him after.

The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.” then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you—I am he.”
 
for me the answer is found in the Books of Matthew and Luke. The studies of the genealogies in either book is well worth a study lots of good teachings. But since 70 A.D. when Jerusalem was destroyed and everything in it there then became a problem for anyone who is going to come along and prove he is Messiah no way to trace his line back the only two belong to Jesus Christ. One proving Him the last one in the Royal Line of David, Matthew. Exclude from the throne because of Jeconiah. Then the line in Luke that traces the Lord through Mary and a different line from Jeconiah who is in Matthews line disqualifying it from the throne. Luke's genealogy is the only other line to David the last remaining line and the spot for Messiah is already claimed by the Lord Jesus. If Christ isn't the Messiah then there can be no Messiah. But we know He is and when He returns He can introduce Himself to all those poor doubters.
 
Jesus answered with truth knowing what they would do to Him for such a answer

Then the high priest stood up before them and asked Jesus, “Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?” But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer.

Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”

“I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

The Lord says to my lord

“Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet.”

“In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.
 
I'll begin by saying that it is my belief that Jesus of Nazareth is in fact the Son of the living God and His Anointed One. I know most here will agree with me in that regard. But rather than stating what our belief is about Jesus, I started this thread so that we can share WHY we believe as we do giving scriptural support for our beliefs. I hope that this will challenge many and in the process lead us into more truth and at the very least cause us to "sharpen our swords."

Many do not believe Jesus was the Messiah and they have used the following verses as proof that Jesus did not fulfill the OT's requirements. What say you?


Great thread idea!


Because the Spirit of (Christ) Messiah is in me, and He teaches me, and speaks to me, as He does to all who are His.


But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. Romans 8:9


again


The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, Romans 8:16



The Spirit of Messiah is Omnipresent, dwelling in all those who are His.




JLB
 
For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain.
The mountain where Jesus spoke to Moses and Elijah about His impending departure.
(the transfiguration Matthew 17:1–8, Mark 9:2–8, Luke 9:28–36)
 
“I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

When the Lord answered it was with the O. T. name of God, YHWH which gives His reply even more gravity. Uses a title for Messiah who will come at the right hand of God the Father on the Shekinah Glory. the wisdom of men is indeed foolishness
 
Many do not believe Jesus was the Messiah and they have used the following verses as proof that Jesus did not fulfill the OT's requirements. What say you?
Its impossible for the messiah, to be the suffering servant and the conquering king at the same time. prophecies line up as both a servant and a king. Jesus said he will come again and fulfilled most of the prophecies. The blind man from birth that Jesus healed said it true. He said someone who is not from God cannot heal a blind man or forgive sins or raise the dead. Peter and the disciples believed Jesus was the messiah and they understood that he would come twice. Technically the rapture is not coming again because not everyone will see him and go with him.
 
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