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Christ has nothing to do with the Law of Moses.
OK, I agree.
The law not being able to justify a person simply means I am not to keep any of it's commands with the intent of trying to be justified by them, not that I don't have to keep/uphold any of them, as is so popularly taught in the church today. Paul says otherwise:
The truth is many give lip service to the fact they live in the New Covenant and have no evidence of obedience to the requirements of the law to show for it. They are acting in neither the old nor the new covenant!
You have to know what not being under the law means. It does NOT mean I do not have to uphold it's requirements. It means at least three things. And not having to uphold it is not one of them.
Without the Spirit, and doing it for the purpose of justification, yes, it is.
Reveals sin so we can then stay in that sin?
The law does not work for justification. But it's a useful for training in righteousness.
ONLY if you are following it for the purpose of being justified.
That's right.
Not being under the law does not mean you do not have to fulfill it's righteous requirements. It means something else. One of which is, you are no longer under the condemnation of the law.
Delivered from what? Delivered from doing it's righteous requirements?
True, but if you are holy through faith in Christ you will uphold the very requirements of the law that can't make you holy.
It makes those who are still in the flesh (that is, unsaved) all the more sinful.
Read James 2.
Careful.
I just read it. It is about favoritism forbidden and "faith and deeds"
I read it as when I keep looking to the law, I die. But if I look to the Spirit he helps me to walk in his footsteps.
Great post.The law not being able to justify a person simply means I am not to keep any of it's commands with the intent of trying to be justified by them, not that I don't have to keep/uphold any of them, as is so popularly taught in the church today. Paul says otherwise:
"30since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. " - Romans 3:31
'Knock, knock', wake up, church!
The truth is many give lip service to the fact they live in the New Covenant and have no evidence of obedience to the requirements of the law to show for it. They are acting in neither the old nor the new covenant!
You have to know what not being under the law means. It does NOT mean I do not have to uphold it's requirements. It means at least three things. And not having to uphold it is not one of them.
Without the Spirit, and doing it for the purpose of justification, yes, it is.
Reveals sin so we can then stay in that sin?
Of course not.
The law reveals the sin we are to then not commit in this New Covenant, through the power of the Holy Spirit.
The law does not work for justification. But it's a useful for training in righteousness.
"16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness..." - 2 Timothy 3:16
The only scripture that existed when Paul penned this to Timothy was the law and the prophets. He says they are useful for 'teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness'. But the church says they're worthless, and you're sinning if you obey them. Some say to even just 'look to them' is sinning.
ONLY if you are following it for the purpose of being justified.
That's right.
The law magnifies sin that you are then to not commit in this New Covenant.
But the church says it magnifies sin....so you can continue to live it that sin. What a joke. For some reason it's sin when it's revealed to you, and sin for you to then obey what the law showed you is sin. The church is really messed up on this subject.
Not being under the law does not mean you do not have to fulfill it's righteous requirements. It means something else. One of which is, you are no longer under the condemnation of the law.
Delivered from what? Delivered from doing it's righteous requirements?
Of course not. Read it in context to see what it is about the law that New Covenant saints are delivered from. It sure ain't being delivered from having to obey the righteous requirements of the law. That's ridiculous. Exactly the opposite!
True, but if you are holy through faith in Christ you will uphold the very requirements of the law that can't make you holy.
It makes those who are still in the flesh (that is, unsaved) all the more sinful.
Context, church, context! Read the passage.
I'm done with lunch. Gotta get back to my brain surgeries. They're beginning to stack up in the lobby. Be back later...
At the very least I would say it like this: You read the law and see examples of how to love people, then you look to and rely on the Spirit to do that. That's what the Spirit is there to do--cause you to uphold the righteousness of the law.
The prohibition against showing favoritism is from Leviticus 19:15. And giving to a brother or sister in need is from Deuteronomy 15:7-8. And he explains how keeping those laws is 'loving your neighbor as yourself' (Leviticus 19:18). And that is how you show that you have faith (James 2:17-18), And, how it is that we will be judged by that law (James 2:12-13).