Who/What Are The Two Witnesses?

[Cornelius]

New Jerusalem = saints, agree.

42 months, no.

Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

That was about Jerusalem & Rome during the 70AD war.

lol i love ya researcher and besides the preterism i find your posts great LOL the problem with what you are saying here is that this isnot what happened in 70 ad. this scripture says "the the court which is WITHOUT THE TEMPLE LEAVE OUT and measure it not for IT IS GIVEN unto the gentiles and the holy city shall they tread under foot 42 months.

This is showing that the part that is measured is measured but the area that is given to be trampled by gentiles DOES NOT get measured. that is the temple and altar and them that worship therein.

In 70 ad not just the city wsa given to be trampled but also the whole temple was destroyed burnt down people killed in the temple not just the court and city. so it makes no sence for the prophecy to say just the court and city were given over when then it was all destroyed. This is a future event in rev. also there were no two witnesses as described in rev 11 in 70 ad, there also was not the beast of rev 13 in 70 ad. only ONE of the heads of that beast in rev 13 existed at the time of 70 ad and that is rome, that is the head that john describes as Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

we see from daniel who some of these are, in daniels day he told of the one that was(babylon) down to the last one (he didnot mention those before his time) just as with john he spoke of those before his own time which was 5 the one that existed in his own day he said of it "one is" and then says about the next that the other isnot yet come. The one in johns day was rome, but we see that rome was not the last one on the list. Rome in 70 ad against jerusalem does not filfill the 7th or 8th which are the beast kingdom of rev 13 that contain within it the demon kings of all of those 7 prior beast kingdoms. the beast kingdom in rev 13 is the same as the fourth beast daniel saw in a vision that rome in 70 ad does not fit that description.

Beyond that in 70 ad there were no witnesses killed who then were resurrected from the dead in front of their enemies and who ascended into heaven with all their enemies watching it happen.

Excellent post ! I am really impressed.Its its all true and you have managed to make it simple. I think you should open a thread where you write about this .(the beast and its heads etc) its very needed . You have a good grasp of this and you can explain it very well.
blessings
C

 

[researcher]

New Jerusalem = saints, agree.

42 months, no.

Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

That was about Jerusalem & Rome during the 70AD war.

lol i love ya researcher and besides the preterism i find your posts great LOL the problem with what you are saying here is that this isnot what happened in 70 ad. this scripture says "the the court which is WITHOUT THE TEMPLE LEAVE OUT and measure it not for IT IS GIVEN unto the gentiles and the holy city shall they tread under foot 42 months.

This is showing that the part that is measured is measured but the area that is given to be trampled by gentiles DOES NOT get measured. that is the temple and altar and them that worship therein.

In 70 ad not just the city wsa given to be trampled but also the whole temple was destroyed burnt down people killed in the temple not just the court and city. so it makes no sence for the prophecy to say just the court and city were given over when then it was all destroyed. This is a future event in rev. also there were no two witnesses as described in rev 11 in 70 ad, there also was not the beast of rev 13 in 70 ad. only ONE of the heads of that beast in rev 13 existed at the time of 70 ad and that is rome, that is the head that john describes as Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

we see from daniel who some of these are, in daniels day he told of the one that was(babylon) down to the last one (he didnot mention those before his time) just as with john he spoke of those before his own time which was 5 the one that existed in his own day he said of it "one is" and then says about the next that the other isnot yet come. The one in johns day was rome, but we see that rome was not the last one on the list. Rome in 70 ad against jerusalem does not filfill the 7th or 8th which are the beast kingdom of rev 13 that contain within it the demon kings of all of those 7 prior beast kingdoms. the beast kingdom in rev 13 is the same as the fourth beast daniel saw in a vision that rome in 70 ad does not fit that description.

Beyond that in 70 ad there were no witnesses killed who then were resurrected from the dead in front of their enemies and who ascended into heaven with all their enemies watching it happen.

It's OK. It's just chatroom theology, lol.

The 70AD war started in 66 when the Jews rebelled. That got everything rolling. The Jews actually defeated the Roman armies at that time. I believe it was Nero who sent in the next army to crush them, then the next Caesar (Vitellius?) sent his son Titus to command the war. At any rate, the temple was the very last to go. But Jerusalem and outside of it was definitely being trampled by the armies between 66 and 70AD. The horrors that went on in and around Jerusalem during that time are what Jesus was talking about in Matthew 24.

Mat 24:20 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on a sabbath:
Mat 24:21 for then shall be great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be.

It was most barbaric suffering the city had ever seen.

 

[researcher]

Beyond that in 70 ad there were no witnesses killed who then were resurrected from the dead in front of their enemies and who ascended into heaven with all their enemies watching it happen.

I don't know about this either. The two "witnesses" would have been in Jerusalem around the time of its destruction. There were only the Roman armies and their auxiliaries there besides the people who were being killed. Secular historians didn't record the dead rising when Jesus was crucified, or all the miracles he did or the apostles. They covered up Jesus' resurrection according to the Bible, so, who's to say what happened back then.

Are there any corroborating verses from the OT about two witnesses rising etc?

 

[veteran]

Just as babylon in revelation is a picture of an overall harlot system so too jerusalem is a picture of the church the city of God heb 12:22-24 WE the people of God are jerusalem, we are zion, the daughters of zion the city of God etc... not a physical location on earth. it is the temple and the city that get measured and those outside of in the court are christians who are not drawing neigh to God and entering into the holy place through Christ. THEY get trampled 42 months by the beast. The temple of God in rev is the same as in zech it is the PEOPLE OF GOD whom the Holy Spirit dwells in. it is US and US alone who are fitly framed together into a Holy Temple! and it is US that gets measured not a physical city. The things that happened before are just examples to us of spiritual matters that we see in Christ.

That analogy about Jerusalem won't work the way you're trying to use it.

Rev 21:2
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
(KJV)

The Holy City, the "new Jerusalem" is to one day come down out of Heaven to this earth, where earthly Jerusalem is today. That's the area of the earth where God has said He will dwell forever. That area on earth is what the endtimes battle is about.

Rev 11:1-2
1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
(KJV)

That Greek word for the "shall they tread under foot" phrase is about trampling down, in the negative sense. It's the same word used for Christ giving us power to 'tread on serpents and scorpions' per Luke 10:10. So those Gentiles there are definitely NOT Christians. Those are the enemies of Christ. They are not treading the Heavenly Jerusalem, they're treading the earthly Jerusalem there. God would not allow His enemies tread upon the Heavenly Jerusalem where He is, ever. You've got the two Jerusalem's backwards.

 

[GodspromisesRyes]

researcher- this is where the problems come in in the preterism you are believing, it leaves out alot of prophecy as unfulfilled and never explained and many things just dont fit and all you can dois say well i dunno. i hope you will pray about this







as far as the gentiles trampling it under foot for 42 months, i was not saying the gentiles are christians, i am saying the gentiles are the unbelievers who make war on the saints and trample THEM the saints underfoot for 42 months. You have to remember that yes new jerusalem is in heaven and WE who are ON EARTH now alive as believers are ALREADY in new jerusalem in heaven. We are physically on earth but we are already seated in heavenly places with Christ Jesus- We have already come to heavenly jerusalem to mt zion NOW through Jesus blood
Hbr 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Hbr 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,


Hbr 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel.

So WE can be trampled by the beast as it says it will be given to make war on the saints. itis not a physical city that is being trampled itis christians who stand in the outer court and city spiritually.

here is a key to understanding this

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.

Mat 5:13 ¶ Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

 

[researcher]

researcher- this is where the problems come in in the preterism you are believing, it leaves out alot of prophecy as unfulfilled and never explained and many things just dont fit and all you can dois say well i dunno. i hope you will pray about this

Lol. Yes, it leaves a lot of questions unanswered, but I'm OK with it because there are a lot of different views out there. I believe partial-preterism in general, not as a hard core (this is what happened) doctrine. Will anyone know everything? I don't think so. So I'm OK with not knowing everything about it. It's like an outline. I believe the basics are there, but, as you said, some things are missing. And, there is something missing. I can't put my finger on it, or, the Holy Spirit hasn't said anything, or it could be that some things in Revelation that are being seen as literal aren't. I'm OK not knowing until the HS says something to someone, or me, or whatever. But, I still believe the basic outline of the doctrine. It makes more sense than not to me. ;)

One part that I have questions about:
Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

The angel told Daniel his people (who were in the book of life apparently) would be delivered and some would rise from the dead. What about everyone else who is supposed to rise from the dead? Only Israelites?

as far as the gentiles trampling it under foot for 42 months, i was not saying the gentiles are christians, i am saying the gentiles are the unbelievers who make war on the saints and trample THEM the saints underfoot for 42 months. You have to remember that yes new jerusalem is in heaven and WE who are ON EARTH now alive as believers are ALREADY in new jerusalem in heaven. We are physically on earth but we are already seated in heavenly places with Christ Jesus- We have already come to heavenly jerusalem to mt zion NOW through Jesus blood
Hbr 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Hbr 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,


Hbr 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel.

So WE can be trampled by the beast as it says it will be given to make war on the saints. itis not a physical city that is being trampled itis christians who stand in the outer court and city spiritually.

here is a key to understanding this

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.

Mat 5:13 ¶ Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

Yes, seated in the heavenly places. As for Jesus in Matt 5:13. I believe his direct audience was the Israelites at that moment (although the teachings are for us too), in context, he was sent to them, and he knew what was going to happen to them when the Roman armies came. They would be trampled. Especially those who's salt had lost it's savor i.e. left the faith etc. Many in Israel had already lost their "savor," and they were the chosen people or the original bride.

Context and audience (Israelites):
Mat 5:1 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into the mountain: and when he had sat down, his disciples came unto him:
Mat 5:2 and he opened his mouth and taught them, saying,

And at the end of his teaching
Mat 7:28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had finished these words, the multitudes were astonished at his teaching:
Mat 7:29 for he taught them as one having authority, and not as their scribes.

The multitudes were all Israelites. And fast approaching was the day when they would be trampled (except the ones who God delivered). So it had direct relevance to their immediate future.

 

[Cornelius]

1Co 10:11 Now these things happened unto them by way of example; and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages are come.
I did point out to you in a previous post that there are ages (plural) and ends (plural) and preterists see the first end of the first age. They should however move on to the next age (our age) . Prophecy repeats.God says so Himself:Ecc 1:9 That which hath been is that which shall be; and that which hath been done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

 

[researcher]

1Co 10:11 Now these things happened unto them by way of example; and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages are come.
I did point out to you in a previous post that there are ages (plural) and ends (plural) and preterists see the first end of the first age. They should however move on to the next age (our age) . Prophecy repeats.God says so Himself:Ecc 1:9 That which hath been is that which shall be; and that which hath been done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

Yes, I believe we are in the next age. At the moment I believe we are in the "millennium."

But I also believe the verses that had to do with Jerusalem's destruction won't repeat themselves verbatim if anything is to happen to us.

 

[Cornelius]

Yes, I believe we are in the next age. At the moment I believe we are in the "millennium."

But I also believe the verses that had to do with Jerusalem's destruction won't repeat themselves verbatim if anything is to happen to us.

I am sure you know that the millennium has certain things that happens in it. For instance the resurrection must happen first in THIS age.

Jerusalem is spiritual in this age. You have to look at what is happening to the church even now, to be able to understand those scriptures. In the physical they will just not make any sense.

 

[GodspromisesRyes]

researcher- this is where the problems come in in the preterism you are believing, it leaves out alot of prophecy as unfulfilled and never explained and many things just dont fit and all you can dois say well i dunno. i hope you will pray about this

Lol. Yes, it leaves a lot of questions unanswered, but I'm OK with it because there are a lot of different views out there. I believe partial-preterism in general, not as a hard core (this is what happened) doctrine. Will anyone know everything? I don't think so. So I'm OK with not knowing everything about it. It's like an outline. I believe the basics are there, but, as you said, some things are missing. And, there is something missing. I can't put my finger on it, or, the Holy Spirit hasn't said anything, or it could be that some things in Revelation that are being seen as literal aren't. I'm OK not knowing until the HS says something to someone, or me, or whatever. But, I still believe the basic outline of the doctrine. It makes more sense than not to me. ;)

One part that I have questions about:
Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

The angel told Daniel his people (who were in the book of life apparently) would be delivered and some would rise from the dead. What about everyone else who is supposed to rise from the dead? Only Israelites?

as far as the gentiles trampling it under foot for 42 months, i was not saying the gentiles are christians, i am saying the gentiles are the unbelievers who make war on the saints and trample THEM the saints underfoot for 42 months. You have to remember that yes new jerusalem is in heaven and WE who are ON EARTH now alive as believers are ALREADY in new jerusalem in heaven. We are physically on earth but we are already seated in heavenly places with Christ Jesus- We have already come to heavenly jerusalem to mt zion NOW through Jesus blood
Hbr 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Hbr 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,


Hbr 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel.

So WE can be trampled by the beast as it says it will be given to make war on the saints. itis not a physical city that is being trampled itis christians who stand in the outer court and city spiritually.

here is a key to understanding this

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.

Mat 5:13 ¶ Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

Yes, seated in the heavenly places. As for Jesus in Matt 5:13. I believe his direct audience was the Israelites at that moment (although the teachings are for us too), in context, he was sent to them, and he knew what was going to happen to them when the Roman armies came. They would be trampled. Especially those who's salt had lost it's savor i.e. left the faith etc. Many in Israel had already lost their "savor," and they were the chosen people or the original bride.

Context and audience (Israelites):
Mat 5:1 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into the mountain: and when he had sat down, his disciples came unto him:
Mat 5:2 and he opened his mouth and taught them, saying,

And at the end of his teaching
Mat 7:28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had finished these words, the multitudes were astonished at his teaching:
Mat 7:29 for he taught them as one having authority, and not as their scribes.

The multitudes were all Israelites. And fast approaching was the day when they would be trampled (except the ones who God delivered). So it had direct relevance to their immediate future.

i understand why you believe the way you do researcher because history repeats itself and events can seem very similar because of that- God does this so that we can see what the truth iis. if we have a doctrine that hasnt been played out over and over in history then it is not the truth. we just disagree about if thae 70 ad events were a historic type that partially appears to fulfill prophecy waiting for the final fulfillmment(my stance) or whether those were the literal fulfillmnetns

 

[NIGHTMARE]

1Co 10:11 Now these things happened unto them by way of example; and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages are come.
I did point out to you in a previous post that there are ages (plural) and ends (plural) and preterists see the first end of the first age. They should however move on to the next age (our age) . Prophecy repeats.God says so Himself:Ecc 1:9 That which hath been is that which shall be; and that which hath been done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

Yes, I believe we are in the next age. At the moment I believe we are in the "millennium."

But I also believe the verses that had to do with Jerusalem's destruction won't repeat themselves verbatim if anything is to happen to us.

Waz up researcher,,,,ay the weather where im at is super wierd,,,,,,is your????

So do you believe the millennium is the 1000 year period spoken of in Revelation 20??????

 

[researcher]

1Co 10:11 Now these things happened unto them by way of example; and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages are come.
I did point out to you in a previous post that there are ages (plural) and ends (plural) and preterists see the first end of the first age. They should however move on to the next age (our age) . Prophecy repeats.God says so Himself:Ecc 1:9 That which hath been is that which shall be; and that which hath been done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

Yes, I believe we are in the next age. At the moment I believe we are in the "millennium."

But I also believe the verses that had to do with Jerusalem's destruction won't repeat themselves verbatim if anything is to happen to us.

Waz up researcher,,,,ay the weather where im at is super wierd,,,,,,is your????

So do you believe the millennium is the 1000 year period spoken of in Revelation 20??????

Hey Brian. Yes, the weather is overcast and it rained last night. It was 102 the day before, lol. Now it's cold out.

At the moment I believe that the millennium is symbolic for a long period of time, and that we're at the end of it. I reserve the right to change my mind with any new information/revelation etc. ;)

 

[Cornelius]

I reserve the right to change my mind with any new information/revelation etc. ;)

Good attitude

 

[Cornelius]

Maybe a good point to think about would be:2Pe 3:8 But forget not this one thing, beloved, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

So if we are not to forget it, we must surely remember it !

God made the earth in seven days. But we also know that everything in the Old Testament is also like a parable that is suppose to teach those who are in the "ends of the ages" as we have seen in Corinthians.

So if do the remembering thing and we take the seven "days" , they will also mean "thousand years". Now we have to look for the "day of peace" or "thousand years of peace" Ah, that sounds like the Sabbath ! It must then also coincide with the seventh day in creation. Yes it does ! That means if we count from Adam as the "first day" we come to where we are now after "six days" ! But we have just entered into the seventh millennium on the year 2000, so we must now then be on the "morning of the seventh day" What happens on the morning of the seventh day? Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God finished his work So something is still being finished on the seventh day /seventh millennium.

Does that fit with Jesus too ? Yes it does. If we count "days" (thousand years) from Jesus, we also come to a prophetic "third day" now. We are "two days" after Jesus and "six days" after Adam.

Prophetic words about these days:

Hos 6:2 After two days (2000 years) will he revive us: on the third day(we are there now) he will raise us up, and we shall live (eternal life ) before him.

Exo 20:9 Six days (6000 years) shalt thou labor, and do all thy work;
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day (after the year 2000 ) is a sabbath unto Jehovah thy God:(Millennium ) in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Jos 6:3 And ye shall compass the city, all the men of war, going about the city once. Thus shalt thou do six days. (six thousand years)
Jos 6:4 And seven priests shall bear seven trumpets of rams' horns before the ark: and the seventh day (after the year 2000) ye shall compass the city seven times,(Tribulation seven years) and the priests shall blow the trumpets.
Jos 6:5 And it shall be, that, when they make a long blast with the ram's horn, and when ye hear the sound of the trumpet(Last trumpet), all the people shall shout with a great shout; and the wall of the city shall fall down flat, and the people shall go up (rapture resurrection )every man straight before him. Rev 8:2 And I saw the seven angels that stand before God; and there were given unto them seven trumpets.

 

[researcher]

I reserve the right to change my mind with any new information/revelation etc. ;)

Good attitude

 

[researcher]

Maybe a good point to think about would be:2Pe 3:8 But forget not this one thing, beloved, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

So if we are not to forget it, we must surely remember it !

True, but, why did they need to be told this in the first place? Because they were expecting a return in their lifetime. Which means that if they and the apostles expected it, they somehow misunderstood what Jesus was saying in Matthew 24, and the apostles were the ones communicating that message.

He didn't speak to the disciples in parables, he explained everything to them. How could they mistunderstand?

Mar 4:10 And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable.
Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

 

[Cornelius]

Maybe a good point to think about would be:2Pe 3:8 But forget not this one thing, beloved, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

So if we are not to forget it, we must surely remember it !

True, but, why did they need to be told this in the first place? Because they were expecting a return in their lifetime. Which means that if they and the apostles expected it, they somehow misunderstood what Jesus was saying in Matthew 24, and the apostles were the ones communicating that message.

He didn't speak to the disciples in parables, he explained everything to them. How could they mistunderstand?

Mar 4:10 And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable.
Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

I think you might be slightly missing the point of my post regarding the time line. Was I being unclear in what I wrote ? Does the one day/thousand years key not come across?

 

[researcher]

Maybe a good point to think about would be:2Pe 3:8 But forget not this one thing, beloved, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

So if we are not to forget it, we must surely remember it !

True, but, why did they need to be told this in the first place? Because they were expecting a return in their lifetime. Which means that if they and the apostles expected it, they somehow misunderstood what Jesus was saying in Matthew 24, and the apostles were the ones communicating that message.

He didn't speak to the disciples in parables, he explained everything to them. How could they mistunderstand?

Mar 4:10 And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable.
Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

I think you might be slightly missing the point of my post regarding the time line. Was I being unclear in what I wrote ? Does the one day/thousand years key not come across?

I'll have to read everything in context so I can see what was being talked about. The one day = 1000 year is clear yeah, lol. ;)

Who is God talking to here?

Hos 6:1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
Hos 6:2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
Hos 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.
Hos 6:4 O Ephraim, what shall I do unto thee? O Judah, what shall I do unto thee? for your goodness is as a morning cloud, and as the early dew it goeth away.
Hos 6:5 Therefore have I hewed them by the prophets; I have slain them by the words of my mouth: and thy judgments are as the light that goeth forth.
Hos 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Hos 6:7 But they like men have transgressed the covenant: there have they dealt treacherously against me.
Hos 6:8 Gilead is a city of them that work iniquity, and is polluted with blood.
Hos 6:9 And as troops of robbers wait for a man, so the company of priests murder in the way by consent: for they commit lewdness.
Hos 6:10 I have seen an horrible thing in the house of Israel: there is the whoredom of Ephraim, Israel is defiled.
Hos 6:11 Also, O Judah, he hath set an harvest for thee, when I returned the captivity of my people.

I see Ephraim, Judah, the prophets, animal sacrifice, old covenant, priests that kill, and captivity of Israel. This says to me that, this was meant for people in the time when all of those things were going on. Is the "raise us on the 3rd day thing" perhaps taken out of context?

 

[Cornelius]

I think I am going to first give you a chance to catch up with that post of mine, before going onto something else. You will see that I spent a bit of time on it, so as not to waste the effort.........

 

[Cornelius]

I am going to bed now After midnight in Africa.

But I will tell you this so long. No its not out of context.

blessings
C