[__ Science __ ] cannabis

[Who Me]

Latest scientific inf that canabis is bad for you.
https://www.the-scientist.com/featu...o-cannabis-affects-the-developing-brain-65230

Yes it is about durring pregnancy, do read this quote:-
"When marijuana is ingested or smoked during pregnancy, exogenous cannabinoids enter the blood and cross easily through the placental barrier due to their highly lipophilic nature. Pairing this ready availability with slow pharmacokinetics—active metabolites continue circulating for up to five days depending on dosage and frequency of use—fetal exposure to the active compounds in cannabis is both efficient and prolonged."

"following approximately 700 pregnant cannabis users in 1978, has tracked nearly 200 of the offspring from the neonatal period into adulthood, and has identified persistent effects ranging from changes in cortical function to higher rates of drug abuse even in maturity, compared with controls."

Two basic points.
1. the brain does not reach maturity, has not finished developing, untill 25 years old.
2.it affects the brain of adualts.

 

[Christ_empowered]

drugs, in general, are bad...even the legal psych drugs aren't good, either. antidepressants can make the long term outcome for depression worse, uppers for add/adhd can contribute to psycohsis, and the drugs for anxiety are notoriously difficult to taper after long term use and can cause brain damage.

if my state legalized cannabis for psych indications, i might be inclined to try to get an Rx. not that im a big fan, but I think its probably less toxic than the currently legal, "standard treatment," etc. and with people w/ chronic pain...

i think cannabis+reduced opioids is probably safer than ongoing, high dose opioids.

then again...all drugs are toxic. its the dose that determines how toxic and if the ill effects outweigh benefits, etc. :-(

 

[jasonc]

The old mj is bad ,I'm not for abuse ,but well about cannabis .its found in foods. ,Pepper naturally, do a prescribed in the 30s for nerves,mood swings.known treatment.

Thc is the high not cannabinoids. Medical pot is low thc.my wife has a license to use and it's very hard to get

 

[Michael74]

Pregnant women should avoid most pharmaceuticals.

 

[jasonc]

The old mj is bad ,I'm not for abuse ,but well about cannabis .its found in foods. ,Pepper naturally, do a prescribed in the 30s for nerves,mood swings.known treatment.

Thc is the high not cannabinoids. Medical pot is low thc.my wife has a license to use and it's very hard to get

Docs in 30s used cannabinoids

 

[Christ_empowered]

Yeah, I think it has definite appropriate uses and its probably less toxic than many available options.

 

[turnorburn]

i was thinking about these scientific studies this morning on grass opium etc etc..instead of derailing your thread I'll start another if time permits..

 

[Who Me]

Canabis need medical investigation and testing ofit and its products.
What should be avoided is self medication with it and recreational use.

 

[jasonc]

Canabis need medical investigation and testing ofit and its products.
What should be avoided is self medication with it and recreational use.

Ok,so a doctors in.my state whi are the only doctors who can after being licensed by the state, prescribe it,its a 75 dollar license that take 3 months to get, no laymen can walk in the clinic and get pot .yet with oxycontin it's not even close to that difficult, I can simply have a tooth ache and get that,back pain .not so with medical marijuana, it's a short list and you loose gun rights .

People have died, I lost 4 to oxy ,a friend got.addicted to it and beat that. Yet he was prescribed it.oxy is legal heroine ,more powerful and refined.the opioid addict is greater in numbers then pot.

Yet we have such an anal focus on pot.pots got its issue but that makes no sense .you can work,drive while on oxy on my job ,but not so with pot.

Look in worked with a guy who chugged pills and he did nothing despite my boss telling them he was using oxy .the other coworker who was an addict too had to take drug tests because of his past arrest for two years. Now oxy did affect him.im hardly pro pot but you cant be hard on pot and light on how easy it is for me to chug oxy for severe pain and also work.of course some Jobs I do ,I cant work if it was that bad.other jobs I might.


But big pharma has to be blamed on alot a doc here has been threaten about coming out about s known side effect of a treatment that caused jaw fractures and said they knew it as it an old study and each meds used will be listed and big pharma pushes treatments and ignores that.
He says the FDA is corrupt and needs to be reformed .


My wife uses Cbd,medical pot.has had two reactions .they already knew her issue, said nebulizer or smoke the stuff we give for a nebulizer as vape which is common in how they give it out .
It can cause choking issues, it's not helpful with her bone spurs pointing into her esophagus, trachea.

I'm, again hardly a pot supporter but I have debated this,read up on it and also seen things.a coworker used nailed a tree and was fined but not arrested as they cant prove he was high driving .he smoked on the weekends .he gave that up ,I highly doubt he smokes while working for fpl

 

[WIP]

drugs, in general, are bad...even the legal psych drugs aren't good, either.

This is not necessarily true. When used properly, they can be be very good and in some cases even be required to save lives.

 

[JohnDB]

I'm Leary about any new "wonder drug".

Thelidomide (I'm probably not spelling it right)... and pregnant women were supposedly safe for this mild sedative...but the babies had horrible defects.

Then in recent history (20 years ago) phen-phen was the new diet drug...but millions of heart attacks and damaged hearts later it was pulled from the market. At almost the same time the same product as Aleve but in prescription strength for arthritis sufferers was also pulled for similar reasons.

The list goes on...

Wonder drugs aren't a wonder...they seem to have serious issues.

When dealing with psychotropic drugs the data is worse. (Antidepressants, antipsychotics, anti-siezure, and etc) they really have no idea what or how or why these drugs work and the prescribing of them is educated guess work. But some data is in...
Turns out that if you give bipolar children the drugs used for ADHD the children slowly become psychotic monsters who blow up and shoot up crowds of people. (School shootings, crowded theatres, and etc)


Soooo.
Yeah....I'm not hip for any new drugs that everyone says is the new wonder drug. Even if it is a marijuana derivitive.

 

[jasonc]

I'm Leary about any new "wonder drug".

Thelidomide (I'm probably not spelling it right)... and pregnant women were supposedly safe for this mild sedative...but the babies had horrible defects.

Then in recent history (20 years ago) phen-phen was the new diet drug...but millions of heart attacks and damaged hearts later it was pulled from the market. At almost the same time the same product as Aleve but in prescription strength for arthritis sufferers was also pulled for similar reasons.

The list goes on...

Wonder drugs aren't a wonder...they seem to have serious issues.

When dealing with psychotropic drugs the data is worse. (Antidepressants, antipsychotics, anti-siezure, and etc) they really have no idea what or how or why these drugs work and the prescribing of them is educated guess work. But some data is in...
Turns out that if you give bipolar children the drugs used for ADHD the children slowly become psychotic monsters who blow up and shoot up crowds of people. (School shootings, crowded theatres, and etc)


Soooo.
Yeah....I'm not hip for any new drugs that everyone says is the new wonder drug. Even if it is a marijuana derivitive.

Yoi do know that antiseisure meds are also anti psychotics, lithium,valium all taken by my dad who is epileptic to where he cant drive and will look like he has strokes.

 

[Christ_empowered]

Psych drugs are probably the worst offenders. I take an atypical antipsychotic daily. Its the 1 drug in that category i can tolerate. Now, it turns out that all drugs in that category can hinder long term recovery, even if they control symptoms in the short term...and all the mental health inc people say is take your medication.

 

[Michael74]

Now, it turns out that all drugs in that category can hinder long term recovery, even if they control symptoms in the short term...

The Lord is our healer. Doctors just keep people going until people can call upon the elders.

Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. James 5:14-15 KJV

 

[Who Me]

we have such an anal focus on pot.pots got its issue but that makes no sense .you can work,drive while on oxy on my job ,but not so with pot.

More a case of being happy for business to make money out of a legally addictive drug.
That said cannabis, like smoking has been known to alter the mind of a user, read about its affects over twenty years ago, here is a report more recently:-https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/10768847/Even-casual-use-of-cannabis-alters-brain-warn-scientists.html

There are plenty of others that make similar reports.

 

[jasonc]

More a case of being happy for business to make money out of a legally addictive drug.
That said cannabis, like smoking has been known to alter the mind of a user, read about its affects over twenty years ago, here is a report more recently:-https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/10768847/Even-casual-use-of-cannabis-alters-brain-warn-scientists.html

There are plenty of others that make similar reports.

More a case of being happy for business to make money out of a legally addictive drug.
That said cannabis, like smoking has been known to alter the mind of a user, read about its affects over twenty years ago, here is a report more recently:-https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/10768847/Even-casual-use-of-cannabis-alters-brain-warn-scientists.html

There are plenty of others that make similar reports.

Look.30 people in the tric county area died from legally prescribed heroin called oxycontin, doctor was jailed then wallked,three of them weren't looking to abuse and told the doctor give me something else for the pain

Oxycontin you ignore but gosh pot needs to be studied more .my state didn't legalize pot ,yet you can go get that for a tooth extraction without a license to use ,or back surgery pain, yet pot will not be that easy 75 usd license ,takes 5 months to receive after paying 300 dollars to visit the doctor who only can give you it and they cant give it to you.

Not even that hard to get oxy,a far ,far worse drug then cannabis. More addicting .my brother and wife were pot heads I don't know any who quit oxy abuse cold turkey.i hate pot I know these arguments but I also have seen its valid use ,my wife cant drive think clearly on muscle relaxers ,no mind altering there but can on low thc medical pot.not smoked but nebulized or vaped.but the doctors do say that canister of nebulized type can be smoked .my wife does that as its cheaper.

Growing is highly regulated and must have s license .I'm not proclaiming it a cure all only starting by observations.

I don't advise needless meds, but when ra,fybromylagia is so severe oxy tramadol,etc isnt working and surgeries aren't possible or a wait as is my wife's shoulder ,then you suggest go get high and addicted on oxy ?

Or suicide to end that level of pain.?

 

[Who Me]

I am sorry that your wife is experiencing extreme pain.
There are many different pain relief drugs that can be combined and used to treat extreme levels of pain. it is not a case that there is only one method of pain relief.

 

[Christ_empowered]

cannabis and cannabis-dervivatives are often far less toxic than piling on available Rx treatments. Its also worth noting that "standard treatment" and treatment with cannabis and/or cannabis-derivatives -are not- mutually exclusive. I've known individuals w/ "severe mood disorders" (DSM speak for the seriously Bipolar I amongst us...) who were able to reduce the number and dosage of their psych drugs w/ cannabis usage....

and the psych drugs helped limit their cannabis intake, too. end result=lower costs, less toxicity, better quality of life.

 

[ezra]

cannabis and cannabis-dervivatives are often far less toxic than piling on available Rx treatments. Its also worth noting that "standard treatment" and treatment with cannabis and/or cannabis-derivatives -are not- mutually exclusive. I've known individuals w/ "severe mood disorders" (DSM speak for the seriously Bipolar I amongst us...) who were able to reduce the number and dosage of their psych drugs w/ cannabis usage....

and the psych drugs helped limit their cannabis intake, too. end result=lower costs, less toxicity, better quality of life.

i will agree with you to some degree ..i do not advocate marijuana use.. i use to smoke it and yes i loved it. i was never a pill person they only made me sleepy .my big beef with phyc drugs . they turn you into zombies i have seen it could smoking some weed mellow a person out? i am sure it could to what degree .i dont know some have smoked it. they got Pernod . i have never seen a burn out on just weed alone . cancer patients i could see helping.. here is problem legalize it and the price will go up and up

 

[Christ_empowered]

i can't smoke weed, personally. i did when i was younger, then paranoia started setting in :-( . my problems lean more towards the schizoaffective realm, anyway...with strictly mood problems, i could see it helping.

i had a friend, way back, she'd smoke up all the time. excessive, yes, but...it did reduce her need for psych drugs. 2 daily drugs, one as needed for anxiety, that was about it. not exactly ideal, but...ive seen (and experienced) far worse "cocktails" of psych drugs, so...there ya go.

im hoping some version of the cbd oil might be of help to me. there was some research into using some components of it for more psychosis-type problems. my problems are a mix...not as much psychosis as in Schizophrenia, but more than in Bipolar I...so maybe it could be a help? if i could use cbd oil and reduce my 'atypical' a bit (the dose is moderate and its a non-sedating one, but...still...), then I'd be a happy camper...and I'd probably be more productive, too. and...

there's a new, FDA approved anti-epileptic drug based on some component of cannabis. extremely expensive, as one might imagine, but it helps some forms of difficult to treat seizure disorders. again, its not so much a 'wonder drug' as it is (from what I've read...) that people go from being on complicated, expensive, dangerous multi-drug cocktails down to safer combinations, with fewer adverse effects and improved quality of life. always a good thing.