How Can The U.S.A. Reduse Mass Shootings?

[jaybo]

I agree that socialism is a great idea in a utopian society but due to the greed of mankind it doesn't work in real life. Somebody always benefits off the labors of others.

Vietnam was a great example. After the US pulled out and North Vietnam took over "the Vietnamese government introduced a socialist, centrally planned economy in the south. (This system was already in place in the north.) In such economies, people are often discouraged or forbidden from owning private property. Instead, property is “collectively” owned and controlled by the government, which makes decisions about what to produce and how much to distribute to different groups.

About half of all rural families in the south were organized into agricultural collectives. These collectives put several families together into a single unit that was expected to combine what they produced and turn over any surplus (anything above what they needed for their basic and immediate consumption) to the government. The government distributed this surplus to people elsewhere in the country. In collectivized farming, people were rarely rewarded individually for their hard work. Thus, while collectives were supposed to make the rural economy more productive, they often had the opposite effect. Says Goscha: “collectivizing agriculture and setting uncompetitive prices … erased incentives for production in the countryside. Rather than producing more, Vietnamese peasants … simply cultivated enough land upon which to live rather than have to turn over any surplus to the state at fixed prices (i.e. at a loss).”24

With decreasing productivity, the economy contracted. By the late 1970s, Vietnam, once a major rice producer, was experiencing cases of famine or near famine. It was becoming clear that the socialist economic experiment in the south was failing.

Some peasants who were forced to join rural collectives resisted in ways that were quiet and indirect. They did this in order to avoid punishment, a tactic anthropologist James Scott calls “weapons of the weak.” This includes small but persistent actions or inactions by those who lack formal power to push back against those who have formal power. These “everyday forms of resistance” included, for example, not putting forth one’s full effort to produce for the collective in order to save time and energy to grow food for one’s own family. Another example was delaying delivery of grain or livestock to government authorities.25 These tactics became increasingly common, and by the early 1980s there was a noticeable “southern resistance” to collectivized agriculture.26 It should also be noted that peasants in the north were also using these resistance tactics, and many eventually withdrew from collectives."

Source: https://asiapacificcurriculum.ca/learning-module/vietnam-after-war

Vietnam’s development over the past 30 years has been remarkable. Economic and political reforms under Đổi Mới, launched in 1986, have spurred rapid economic growth, transforming what was then one of the world’s poorest nations into a lower middle-income country. Between 2002 and 2018, GDP per capita increased by 2.7 times, reaching over US$2,700 in 2019, and more than 45 million people were lifted out of poverty. Poverty rates declined sharply from over 70 percent to below 6 percent (US$3.2/day PPP). The vast majority of Vietnam’s remaining poor – 86 percent –are ethnic minorities.

source:worldbank.org

 

[WIP]

Vietnam’s development over the past 30 years has been remarkable. Economic and political reforms under Đổi Mới, launched in 1986, have spurred rapid economic growth, transforming what was then one of the world’s poorest nations into a lower middle-income country. Between 2002 and 2018, GDP per capita increased by 2.7 times, reaching over US$2,700 in 2019, and more than 45 million people were lifted out of poverty. Poverty rates declined sharply from over 70 percent to below 6 percent (US$3.2/day PPP). The vast majority of Vietnam’s remaining poor – 86 percent –are ethnic minorities.

source:worldbank.org

True, but not due to Socialism. After it became clear that the socialist plan was failing, Vietnam began to adopt more capitalist ideals and today is a mixed market economy with limited private ownership. I don't want to continue hijacking this thread so that is all I'll say about this.

 

[Edward]

Here come the excuses and the fake analogies and skewed rationalisations.
Just admit your main addiction. Guns are your false gods. You love your toys more than each other.
You worship guns more than JC. Because you will say anything. Absolutely anything to protect your treasure.
Comparing guns to fertiliser is faulty thinking. It's irrational. I don't care what you say. Your arguments are inferior and weak. And you know it.

Feel like a little projection today, do you? ;) Geez-ow dude, you try'na be the global anti-gun poster child?!

I know why too. It's because you never owned a .22 rifle before. You...don't know how much fun guns can be. If you had ever owned a .22 rifle before then you wouldn't talk as you do.

 

[jasonc]

Feel like a little projection today, do you? ;) Geez-ow dude, you try'na be the global anti-gun poster child?!

I know why too. It's because you never owned a .22 rifle before. You...don't know how much fun guns can be. If you had ever owned a .22 rifle before then you wouldn't talk as you do.

my first weapon was nothing but a military version of a 22.
the m16 hasn't been auto in 30 years and three round burst ,lol ain't the same

 

[humble soul]

Feel like a little projection today, do you? ;) Geez-ow dude, you try'na be the global anti-gun poster child?!

I know why too. It's because you never owned a .22 rifle before. You...don't know how much fun guns can be. If you had ever owned a .22 rifle before then you wouldn't talk as you do.

Weak comeback. Next.

 

[Edward]

Weak comeback. Next.

That's it?! That's all?! Wow, I thought we'd get a how I shot my big toe off when I was 10 story and about all the nightmares after that...oh well. So you didn't shoot off your toe.

So guns are a lot safer than you said. If even Humble can hold a .22 rifle without shooting off his toe or succumbing to murderous impulses, then their safe for anyone to have. Anyone without control of their impulses that is.

 

[humble soul]

Edward is always good value.

 

[1pet2_9]

An ad hominem attack?

 

[humble soul]

An ad hominem attack?

Does that mean a personal attack on homosexuals?
No way. Gay rights all the way!

 

[1pet2_9]

Does that mean a personal attack on homosexuals?
No way. Gay rights all the way!

Nope. A personal attack you made on Edward.

You knew that

 

[jaybo]

Nope. A personal attack you made on Edward.

You knew that

Do you two intend to discuss the subject of the OP? You can trade insults privately.

 

[Edward]

Nope. A personal attack you made on Edward.

You knew that

There's no way he could attack Edward. Humble does not have a .22 rifle and I heard that Edward does. So that takes care of that.

Who ever heard of a guy who never owned a .22?

 

[humble soul]

And another thing, ...if there is one thing I can't stand it is .....oops..i meant to post on the "10 things that drive me up the wall " thread. Sorry.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Fertilizer......no..I'm stumped

Ammonium Nitrate - fertilizer Accidentally caused the Texas City disaster (1947), and the blast in West, TX (2013). Purposely used to destroy the Murrah Government building in Oklahoma City (1995), and the University of Wisconsin Math building (1970) during the Vietnam debacle.

 

[Chocolate Roadrunner]

Gotta love that word "law abiding". Change to "NRA loving"?

Why do you hate Americans?

 

[humble soul]

Why do you hate Americans?

Personal attack sir. An ad homo attack. I'm diply offended.

 

[Chocolate Roadrunner]

Are you joking? The "wild" West was just that ... virtually lawless. People killed people for little or no reason.

Hollywood western fiction is just that, fiction.

Ridiculous History: The Wild, Wild West Was Really the Mild, Mild West

We think the Wild West was a big shoot-'em-up, but statistically speaking, people of the wild frontier were more likely to encounter a handshake than a bullet.

history.howstuffworks.com

Progressives Might Not Want to Look to the Old West for Gun Control Ideas

Far from an example of successful gun control, the Old West is a perfect demonstration of why gun culture is so pervasive in America, and how widespread firearm ownership does not in itself lead to crime and violence.

www.dailysignal.com

 

[Chocolate Roadrunner]

Personal attack sir. An ad homo attack. I'm diply offended.

I reject your claim of a genuine question being a personal attack.

You're Australian, yet you continuously belittle and attack Americans and our right to own firearms.
Your charges are camping against the inalienable constitutional rights of the citizens of this constitutional republic.
This demonstrates a lack of respect or even courtesy for American rights and freedoms.

Your antagonism warrants the question of why you behave in such ways.

Our gun rights have not a thing to do with you. However you're the most constant poster in this thread that was authored by someone who is an American.

 

[humble soul]

Ammonium Nitrate - fertilizer Accidentally caused the Texas City disaster (1947), and the blast in West, TX (2013). Purposely used to destroy the Murrah Government building in Oklahoma City (1995), and the University of Wisconsin Math building (1970) during the Vietnam debacle.

So you are saying that gun ownership is no different to poo ownership?

 

[humble soul]

You're Australian, yet you continuously belittle and attack Americans and our right to own firearms.

Fortunately not all Americans think like you. Some want change in gun laws. Some want the more lethal guns outlawed. Hopefully someone starts paying attention to them.