Will America Be Burned?

[Free]

It could still work, but it is a MAJOR gamble. What if the nations don't back down, and they all start renegotiating with one another to stick it to us? Like a lot of the other moves Trump is making, this is playing hardball in the extreme, but he is playing with the entire world economy right now, and it's pretty darned amazing.

Why should any nation back down? They shouldn't IMO. It appears the new tariff deal shows zero understanding of how tariffs and international trade actually work. There is evidence it was gleaned from AI, and every analyst and tariff expert is saying that it is 100% error, based on a complete lack of understanding of what trade deficits actually mean.

He also treats running the country, including foreign and economic policy, like a business. He's just out to make himself and his billionaire friends rich. Take Gaza, for example. He would make an absolute fortune as a real estate developer if he gets his way. But that is absolutely not how countries are to be run. He is running the U.S. into the ground and taking the world's economy with it for no reason whatsoever.

If there was one thing the pandemic showed us, it's that we're too reliant on each other. When outbreaks occurred at ports, for example, it backed things up for weeks and weeks, increasing the cost of many goods. The same happened when a ship blocked the Suez Canal for a period of time. Countries should only import what they cannot produce or cannot produce enough of and try and be as self-reliant as possible. Many countries could produce things they get from the U.S., or other countries, but for some silly reason don't.

Has it occurred to anyone else that God could very well be using Trump to bring judgement on the U.S. (including the Church), which is needed? It could then end up being removed from any relevance in global politics, and open up the way for the rest of the world to attack Israel.

 

[JLB]

Fact Sheet: President Donald J. Trump Declares National Emergency to Increase our Competitive Edge, Protect our Sovereignty, and Strengthen our National and Economic Security

PURSUING RECIPROCITY TO REBUILD THE ECONOMY AND RESTORE NATIONAL AND ECONOMIC SECURITY: Today, President Donald J. Trump declared that foreign trade and

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PURSUING RECIPROCITY TO REBUILD THE ECONOMY AND RESTORE NATIONAL AND ECONOMIC SECURITY: Today, President Donald J. Trump declared that foreign trade and economic practices have created a national emergency, and his order imposes responsive tariffs to strengthen the international economic position of the United States and protect American workers.

• Large and persistent annual U.S. goods trade deficits have led to the hollowing out of our manufacturing base; resulted in a lack of incentive to increase advanced domestic manufacturing capacity; undermined critical supply chains; and rendered our defense-industrial base dependent on foreign adversaries.
• President Trump is invoking his authority under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977 (IEEPA) to address the national emergency posed by the large and persistent trade deficit that is driven by the absence of reciprocity in our trade relationships and other harmful policies like currency manipulation and exorbitant value-added taxes (VAT) perpetuated by other countries.
• Using his IEEPA authority, President Trump will impose a 10% tariff on all countries.
  • This will take effect April 5, 2025 at 12:01 a.m. EDT.
• President Trump will impose an individualized reciprocal higher tariff on the countries with which the United States has the largest trade deficits. All other countries will continue to be subject to the original 10% tariff baseline.
  • This will take effect April 9, 2025 at 12:01 a.m. EDT.
• These tariffs will remain in effect until such a time as President Trump determines that the threat posed by the trade deficit and underlying nonreciprocal treatment is satisfied, resolved, or mitigated.
• Today’s IEEPA Order also contains modification authority, allowing President Trump to increase the tariff if trading partners retaliate or decrease the tariffs if trading partners take significant steps to remedy non-reciprocal trade arrangements and align with the United States on economic and national security matters.
• Some goods will not be subject to the Reciprocal Tariff. These include: (1) articles subject to 50 USC 1702(b); (2) steel/aluminum articles and autos/auto parts already subject to Section 232 tariffs; (3) copper, pharmaceuticals, semiconductors, and lumber articles; (4) all articles that may become subject to future Section 232 tariffs; (5) bullion; and (6) energy and other certain minerals that are not available in the United States.
• For Canada and Mexico, the existing fentanyl/migration IEEPA orders remain in effect, and are unaffected by this order. This means USMCA compliant goods will continue to see a 0% tariff, non-USMCA compliant goods will see a 25% tariff, and non-USMCA compliant energy and potash will see a 10% tariff. In the event the existing fentanyl/migration IEEPA orders are terminated, USMCA compliant goods would continue to receive preferential treatment, while non-USMCA compliant goods would be subject to a 12% reciprocal tariff.

TAKING BACK OUR ECONOMIC SOVEREIGNTY: President Trump refuses to let the United States be taken advantage of and believes that tariffs are necessary to ensure fair trade, protect American workers, and reduce the trade deficit—this is an emergency.

• He is the first President in modern history to stand strong for hardworking Americans by asking other countries to follow the golden rule on trade: Treat us like we treat you.
• Pernicious economic policies and practices of our trading partners undermine our ability to produce essential goods for the public and the military, threatening national security.
• U.S. companies, according to internal estimates, pay over $200 billion per year in value-added taxes (VAT) to foreign governments—a “double-whammy” on U.S. companies who pay the tax at the European border, while European companies don’t pay tax to the United States on the income from their exports to the U.S.
• The annual cost to the U.S. economy of counterfeit goods, pirated software, and theft of trade secrets is between $225 billion and $600 billion. Counterfeit products not only pose a significant risk to U.S. competitiveness, but also threaten the security, health, and safety of Americans, with the global trade in counterfeit pharmaceuticals estimated at $4.4 billion and linked to the distribution of deadly fentanyl-laced drugs.
  • This imbalance has fueled a large and persistent trade deficit in both industrial and agricultural goods, led to offshoring of our manufacturing base, empowered non-market economies like China, and hurt America’s middle class and small towns.
  • President Biden squandered the agricultural trade surplus inherited from President Trump’s first term, turning it into a projected all-time high deficit of $49 billion.
• The current global trading order allows those using unfair trade practices to get ahead, while those playing by the rules get left behind.
• In 2024, our trade deficit in goods exceeded $1.2 trillion—an unsustainable crisis ignored by prior leadership.
• “Made in America” is not just a tagline—it’s an economic and national security priority of this Administration. The President’s reciprocal trade agenda means better-paying American jobs making beautiful American-made cars, appliances, and other goods.
• These tariffs seek to address the injustices of global trade, re-shore manufacturing, and drive economic growth for the American people.
• Reciprocal trade is America First trade because it increases our competitive edge, protects our sovereignty, and strengthens our national and economic security.
• These tariffs adjust for the unfairness of ongoing international trade practices, balance our chronic goods trade deficit, provide an incentive for re-shoring production to the United States, and provide our foreign trading partners with an opportunity to rebalance their trade relationships with the United States.

 

[Hidden In Him]

He also treats running the country, including foreign and economic policy, like a business. He's just out to make himself and his billionaire friends rich. Take Gaza, for example. He would make an absolute fortune as a real estate developer if he gets his way. But that is absolutely not how countries are to be run. He is running the U.S. into the ground and taking the world's economy with it for no reason whatsoever.

I think he genuinely has the country's best interests at heart, but there is an old saying that good intentions can sometimes pave the way to Hell. I'm hoping that is not the case here.

Moderator's note: This thread is not a political debate. There have been some visions and dreams that have served as the basis for it, and they center on what could potentially happen if things do not go well. Please keep all discussion civil.

 

[WIP]

I believe that President Trump's main goal is to get the rest of the world to the bargaining table. For one thing, his counter tariffs are only about 1/2 of the average tariffs other countries apply to US imports.

Imagine if you were a manufacturer and you wanted to sell your goods to some major retailer and that retailer marked up your products to a 75% margin while only marking up your competitors' goods to a 25% margin. Well, that's pretty much what has been going on.

This issue was a major talking point Nancy Pelosi back in 1996 and Bernie Sanders in 2008.

 

[jasonc]

Again Jason, what if aftermarket is the only thing many can still afford just to get running again? As it is now, an increasing number of people are struggling just to make ends meet. Almost 40% of American adults now, up from 34.4% in 2022 and 26.7% in 2021. Those statistics are MOVING. If things accelerate all the more because of a global tariff war going on with the United States, those numbers could potentially be 50% of adults struggling just to make ends meet in less than two years.

That means HALF the populace won't have the money to choose quality if they want to. They take whatever route available to fix things as cheaply as possible. And if credit starts blowing away because the banks are wising up and stop lending, that will all the more pin people down to affording only the bare minimum.

You over-exaggerate. Britain did the exact same thing we did with the EU and it wasn't that bad for them they withdrew from the poor trade deals they got.

 

[JLB]

 

[jasonc]

I don't agree with the gaza plan but yes Lebanon and Gaza at a certain time were vacation spots as was Afghanistan it also produced more wine then France and made the strongest concrete in the world.

Govts have always been about self interest over the local populous (citizenry as well) with few exceptions.

 

[Hidden In Him]

I believe that President Trump's main goal is to get the rest of the world to the bargaining table. For one thing, his counter tariffs are only about 1/2 of the average tariffs other countries apply to US imports.

Imagine if you were a manufacturer and you wanted to sell your goods to some major retailer and that retailer marked up your products to a 75% margin while only marking up your competitors' goods to a 25% margin. Well, that's pretty much what has been going on.

This issue was a major talking point Nancy Pelosi back in 1996 and Bernie Sanders in 2008.

No, I fully understand, WIP. As far as my own opinion goes, the problem isn't with the fairness, it's simply with the timing of the move. I noticed Trump in an interview today saying none of the previous presidents had the wherewithal to actually do something, and he is. The question is over if it will work or not, given the hole they've now dug for us. The whole world now expects a handout from the United States, and is going to feel put upon when they are no longer receiving it. If they retaliate en masse, that will be a huge problem, whether it's deserved or not.

 

[Hidden In Him]

You over-exaggerate. Britain did the exact same thing we did with the EU and it wasn't that bad for them they withdrew from the poor trade deals they got.

Timing, Jason. Timing.

 

[Hidden In Him]

I don't agree with the gaza plan but yes Lebanon and Gaza at a certain time were vacation spots as was Afghanistan it also produced more wine then France and made the strongest concrete in the world.

Govts have always been about self interest over the local populous (citizenry as well) with few exceptions.

I honestly don't think this is the case with Trump. He was rich before taking office, and he has risked his life repeatedly just to have the chance to lead it in what he feels is the right direction. I've always viewed him as the first statesman we've had in office in decades. But the question is simply will this tariff plan work or will it backfire.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Yeah, Hawk had sent me something about the fake, globalist funded "protests" going on. That's actually a very GOOD sign. It means they are afraid of it actually working.

See, this happened the last time he was in office. They raise holy Hell, because they don't like the direction he's taking things in. Remember before 2020? They were destroying neighborhoods en masse, with the whole BLM communist movement and all that. It got UGLY. Chances are that's gonna happen again.

I guess one thing can be said. If we go down, we at least went down fighting, which in a way I can kinda live with.

 

[deepfaithpraise]

Will America Be Burned? A Prophetic Warning
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On February 20th I received the following word from a friend who receives reliable prophetic dreams. The message simply read, "'Trump is burning America.' That was all I got in a dream last night. Let's hope this means a refining fire." My response was, "Yeah. Let's hope it means in a good way," but inside I was thinking, "but it doesn't sound like it." Then on March 19th the following vision was posted by my sister over at her forum, which I've now asked her to publish here. It suggests some very important legislation was about to be passed by the President of the United States.
https://christianforums.net/threads/the-document-vision.113228/
Let me start by saying I have always been a Trump supporter where most of his policies were concerned, and I have been completely behind things like DOGE and the dismantling of the DEI. But I believe both the dream and vision refer to the new tariff deal the Trump Administration is pushing through, and while he has been a master at "the art of the deal," this deal may backfire on him, leading to America "getting burned" if the nations retaliate against what they see as economic bullying tactics. Upon announcing the tariff deal on April 2nd, Trump referred to it as "Liberation Day," and even held up a facsimile document signed by the President himself, again somewhat reminiscent of the words, "Something significant was signed, just like the signing of the Declaration of Independence."
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This thread will state the case that despite his best intentions, President Trump's tariff deal could end up coming back to bite the United States hard, and affect the entire world economy in the process. To anyone who responds, please keep in mind that this is NOT primarily a political discussion and CFN rules forbid making derogatory comments about our leaders. The discussion is regarding the tariff deal, and whether it will be a blessing or a bust for the United States of America.
Blessings in Christ,
Hidden In Him
Additional threads suggesting that economic hard times may indeed be looming on the horizon now include the following titles:
- Vision About The Credit Cards
- The Golden Chalice
- Field of Dreams Or Nightmares?
All three can be found in this forum here:

End-Time Visions

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The imagery of "burning" could reflect anxiety about destructive change or purification through trial - both themes that appear regularly in scripture.

Scripture encourages us to "test everything and hold fast to what is good" (1 Thessalonians 5:21). The Bible contains many examples of God warning nations through prophets, often about economic justice and international relations.

I appreciate that despite political preferences, you maintain a humble approach, asking questions rather than making absolute pronouncements. This reflects wise discernment - acknowledging the possibility of divine warning while remaining open to discussion.

As Christians, we're called to pray for our leaders regardless of political affiliation and to seek the welfare of our nations. Maybe this warning serves as a call to prayer for national wisdom in economic decisions?

 

[JLB]

The imagery of "burning" could reflect anxiety about destructive change or purification through trial - both themes that appear regularly in scripture.

Scripture encourages us to "test everything and hold fast to what is good" (1 Thessalonians 5:21). The Bible contains many examples of God warning nations through prophets, often about economic justice and international relations.

I appreciate that despite political preferences, you maintain a humble approach, asking questions rather than making absolute pronouncements. This reflects wise discernment - acknowledging the possibility of divine warning while remaining open to discussion.

As Christians, we're called to pray for our leaders regardless of political affiliation and to seek the welfare of our nations. Maybe this warning serves as a call to prayer for national wisdom in economic decisions?

It could also mean actual fire; burning because the Globalist are desperate to keep America weak and submissive to the Satanic left wing, Globalist agenda.

They prop up fake protesters.

They finance phony Hamas sympathizers to stir up trouble and chaos.

They want a New World Order, to enslave humanity.


They will use terror as a tool to bring this nation under submission.

 

[Hidden In Him]

The imagery of "burning" could reflect anxiety about destructive change or purification through trial - both themes that appear regularly in scripture.

Scripture encourages us to "test everything and hold fast to what is good" (1 Thessalonians 5:21). The Bible contains many examples of God warning nations through prophets, often about economic justice and international relations.

I appreciate that despite political preferences, you maintain a humble approach, asking questions rather than making absolute pronouncements. This reflects wise discernment - acknowledging the possibility of divine warning while remaining open to discussion.

As Christians, we're called to pray for our leaders regardless of political affiliation and to seek the welfare of our nations. Maybe this warning serves as a call to prayer for national wisdom in economic decisions?

Wonderful post. And yes, I do still hold out that this could be turned for good. All things are possible with God, and there is indeed an alternate way to interpret the dream as you are saying. It troubles me that it is coming at the same time a number of other visions are painting a very negative picture, but those things could be postponed, or potentially be referring to a later fulfillment down the road.

Blessings in Christ, and I appreciate your word of encouragement. Very welcome in a thread like this.

 

[Hidden In Him]

It could also mean actual fire; burning because the Globalist are desperate to keep America weak and submissive to the Satanic left wing, Globalist agenda.

They prop up fake protesters.

They finance phony Hamas sympathizers to stir up trouble and chaos.

They want a New World Order, to enslave humanity.


They will use terror as a tool to bring this nation under submission.

Could also very well play a part in the interpretation, JLB. But sadly I don't know that it could be all of it. Whatever the meaning (good or bad), the burden lies primarily on Trump. But like I said, if that's the case then we went down fighting.

 

[JLB]

the burden lies primarily on Trump.

Unless President Trump is being led by the Spirit.

I believe God will continue to open the eyes of those who are still blind, through “wake up calls” while restoring America to the nation she is called to be.

 

[Free]

I think he genuinely has the country's best interests at heart, but there is an old saying that good intentions can sometimes pave the way to Hell. I'm hoping that is not the case here.

I don't at all think he has the U.S.'s best interests at heart. I think he has his and his wealthy friends' interests at heart. While there are many possibilities floating around, it could be something like this:

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Does this sound like someone who has the country's best interests at heart?:

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At the very least, he is far too ignorant of how economies and international trade work to be doing what he is doing. He literally has no idea. He's the one who, in his last term, signed the CMUSA deal claiming it was the greatest deal ever, and then now is complaining about how bad it is. You can't even make this stuff up. lol

 

[Free]

Unless President Trump is being led by the Spirit.

Maybe, but in only one possible sense, in the same way he uses all heathen leaders: to bring judgement. The U.S. is a godless nation masquerading as a Christian one, which is taking God's name in vain. It has been that way for a very long time.

I believe God will continue to open the eyes of those who are still blind, through “wake up calls” while restoring America to the nation she is called to be.

Is the U.S. "called to be" something in particular? How do you know? Eyes will be opened, that is for certain.

 

[Hidden In Him]

I don't at all think he has the U.S.'s best interests at heart. I think he has his and his wealthy friends' interests at heart. While there are many possibilities floating around, it could be something like this:

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Does this sound like someone who has the country's best interests at heart?:

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At the very least, he is far too ignorant of how economies and international trade work to be doing what he is doing. He literally has no idea. He's the one who, in his last term, signed the CMUSA deal claiming it was the greatest deal ever, and then now is complaining about how bad it is. You can't even make this stuff up. lol

I don't think he's ignorant, but I will say this, and while I find it disturbing I am not beyond considering it possible.

There is a theory that he is secretly working for the establishment, despite all appearances. I know a friend who was ritual SRA and Illuminati since birth, and she has always contended it and still does. Redpill (who I know you didn't always get along with), was involved in investigating the deep state, and he believed the same thing. And the truly disturbing one is my sister who receives a lot of visions and hears Him speak, and she sent me this... yesterday. "Btw, in passing, the Lord told me that Trump is following directives and executive orders. He's making various decisions because he has been told to. He is part of the coming in of the system of the beast..."

The enemy also tampers with her "receptions" at times, so it's possible this was the wrong voice speaking, but I truly do not wish to believe that. If true, it means I was wrong about the man.

But I am not beyond admitting when I have missed it occasionally.

 

[JLB]

Maybe, but in only one possible sense, in the same way he uses all heathen leaders: to bring judgement. The U.S. is a godless nation masquerading as a Christian one, which is taking God's name in vain. It has been that way for a very long time.

God desires for restoration in our nation, that America will return to Him as a nation.

He always uses Judgement to bring a nation back to Him and to open the eyes of the people.

The way 80 million Americans see it, Barack Obama and Joe Biden was God’s Judgement upon America.

The church in America also has been going through judgement.


My prayer is for America to become a nation that brings honor and glory to God.