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Apart from analyzing the individual passages concerning the temple, there are theological reasons to reject any notion of a future temple. I personally have to analyze the passages together with theological understanding.

And that's because OT typology made no effort to explain its NT counterpart. OT Prophets were speaking to people under the Law, and made no effort to speak outside of this context.

1) The OT temple was a symbol God applied under the Law to represent God's heavenly temple, consisting of His own justice, as opposed to justice being worked out in the partnership between God and OT Israel. The book of Hebrews argues that a flawed priesthood could not operate in terms of eternal redemption, but only in a temporary sense until God's heavenly justice was worked out by Christ alone.

Heb 8.4 ...there are already priests who offer the gifts prescribed by the law. 5 They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain"...
9.8 The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still functioning. 9 This is an illustration for the present time, indicating that the gifts and sacrifices being offered were not able to clear the conscience of the worshiper...
23 It was necessary, then, for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these sacrifices, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ did not enter a sanctuary made with human hands that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence...
10.1 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. 2 Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered?...

2) The Law was given to Israel "for all your generations." But the context for this statement was the Law, indicating that people not yet redeemed by Christ had an ongoing need for spiritual cleansing, at least until legal cleansing had been fully accomplished. The Law was given in perpetuity, but not eternally. Its truth was eternal, but its function was to lead to a new covenant.

3) Jesus said the Law was as enduring, in all of its requirements, as the universe itself in Matt 5. The context, again, was the Law of Moses, which continued to be in effect before Jesus' Cross. The universe firmly required that Israel's sins be constantly dealt with until Jesus could ultimately fulfill the need to fully redeem Israel. Even the universe will pass away in its temporal nature. But redemption would provide for a new creation.

4) When we read in Zech 6 of the restored temple, the context is two-fold. One, it is involved with the then-current restoration of the temple under the Persians. And two, it is a dualistic, typological prophecy of the heavenly reality Christ will bring beyond the temple worship of the Law. Joshua, the High Priest at the time, was not both a king and priest, as the portrait shows. So, the fulfillment was intended to picture Christ as both king and priest, with the temple restoration referring to the temple he would build, which I believe to be the Church, built upon himself as a new temple.

1 Cor 3.16 Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst? 17 If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.

5) When we read in Eze 40-48 of a temple, it is a picture of a future temple in the language of the then-current Law. Since it is quite different from the temple under the Law, again it must refer to a different kind of temple built by Christ. Its symbolism is evident in the account given in Revelation 21 of the New Jerusalem. When the temple is spoken of as being high or exalted, the sense seems to be of a different, heavenly temple (Eze 40.2; Isa 2.2; Rev 21.10).

6) When we read in Isa 2 of nations streaming to the temple in Jerusalem, again we are speaking symbolically of a new reality transcending the Law. The nations were not given to gather 3 times per year in Jerusalem to worship God at the temple. That was the domain of the Jewish People in Israel, and certainly would not require a gathering of nations to that geographical spot. What it does hearken back to is Abraham's Promise that he would spiritually father many nations. So in their symbolically gathering to Jerusalem at the temple it is indicated that the nations will come to the faith of Abraham in the future, in the Messianic era.

7) I do see as symbolic the language of temple worship and the Law given in the OT Prophets. They did not intend to speak outside of the legal context of their own times, and expected that the fulfillment of the Abrahamic Promise would transcend the limitations imposed by the Law of Moses. Justice would come from God, since the history of Israel revealed a constant failure to achieve final deliverance from their enemies and relief from the punishment of God.

1 Pet 1.10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, 11 trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of the Messiah and the glories that would follow. 12 It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things.

8) Paul's depiction of the Antichrist seated in the temple of God is Paul's continued use of OT symbolic language of the temple. Rulers do not "sit" in God's temple. So, his depiction of Antichrist sitting there indicates he is trying to take God's place in the center of worship, both from Israel and from all the nations. The context concerns Antichrist taking God's place--not the reinstitution of temple worship.

9) In my opinion, God's temple is being built today by Christ, and that heavenly temple is both the Christian Church and the heavenly justice that God is applying to those who have yet to be delivered, both nations and individuals. Israel will as yet be brought back into the community of Christian nations by God's justice because Israel's flaws, apart from Christ's redemption, could not achieve final redemption. The Law could not achieve that, representing human self-efforts to achieve Eternal Salvation. Final Salvation comes only through Christ by God's mercy alone. The Law depicted Christ's Salvation, and not just its own temporary connection to God.

10) Finally, the use of symbolic language in OT Prophecy, with no apparent effort to "modernize" its fulfillment, might make a translator and interpreter of these temple passages go crazy! But it's all we have, I'm afraid. It's left to make sense of what God was doing in transitioning from a temporal form to an eternal form by necessity, since redemption must come not from us mortals but only from heaven itself.

1 Cor 13.8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
 
The cornerstone for the new Temple was brought to Jerusalem on May 21, 2009 and still remains on the street. "Jerusalem Day" in 1967 was to celebrate the liberation of the Temple Mount, but there is a problem there as the Doom of the Rock sits on the Temple Mount. Baruch Ben-Yosel , chairman of the Movement to Restore the Temple, made it clear that the Temple had to be built in the exact spot where the Dome of the Rock sits.

There will never be a third Temple built by hands, Acts 7:48; Acts 17:24. When the veil of the Temple was torn from top to bottom after Jesus gave up the ghost, Matthew 27:50, 51, this symbolized that the sacrifice of Jesus and the shedding of his blood was now made for the atonement of sin and that all, Jew and Gentile, can come before Him as He is the only way to the Father, John 14:6.

There is no more veil for the Priest to enter into the Holy of Holies once a year to make atonement for Israel's sin nor is there any more animal sacrifices as we are no longer under the Old Covenant nor the preaching of the law, but are under a new and better covenant of Gods grace through Christ Jesus as our High Priest, Hebrews 4:14-16. Jesus prophesied of the Temple being desolate and that no one will see Him again until His time comes meaning when He returns on the last day, Matthew 24:1, 2; Luke 13:34, 35, John 6:40.

God no longer dwells in a Temple made by hands and this is why God left it desolate all these years when it was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD. Now the Dome of the Rock sits on part of the Temple Mount and was built around 692 AD. The Muslims will never give it over to Israel, plus the Dome of the Rock is being refurbished for the son of perdition (not a Muslim man) to come and sit on his throne and will cause a great falling away from truth, Isaiah 14:12-14; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12.

Jesus fulfilled everything the temple stood for being the last sacrificial lamb taking away all the sin of the world. God no longer dwells in a temple made by hands, Acts 7:48-50; 17:22-31; Hebrews 10:7-18

Malachi 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts.

John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

The church, (body of Christ) is the temple where God dwells by His Holy Spirit, Zechariah 6:9-15 (prophecy of coming Messiah); 1 Corinthians 3:16, 17; Ephesians 2:19-22, Galatians 3:19-29.

In 70AD the second temple was destroyed and put an end to the temple made by hands and the sacrifices made there. The Temple of God now dwells in all who are Spiritually born again and indwelled with the Holy Spirit, John 3:5-7; Romans 10:9, 10.
 
A Freudian slip? :lol
The Dome of the Rock is "doomed," yes. But so was the Temple, as you can read in Dan 9. The record of our sin is what would keep us out of the Temple in heaven. So the Temple, preserving that record of our failure, has been destroyed forever. We now have access to a heavenly Temple through a Savior who is already there, keeping the fireplace burning for us. :)
 
nor is there any more animal sacrifices as we are no longer under the Old Covenant nor the preaching of the law
Psalm 51:16, where David says, "You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; You do not take pleasure in burnt offerings." David understood that while sacrifices were part of the religious system, what God truly values is sincere devotion and a transformed heart. This theme appears throughout the Bible, emphasizing that outward rituals are meaningless without genuine faith and obedience.

In Romans Paul says: "It is written" he is talking about the Psalms and he is quoting David. So if we really want to understand Paul we need to back to the Psalms and study what David teaches. I was amazed when I first studied Psalm 119 where David talks about his love for the law of God. The law was given for our benifit and our well being. Because of God's love for us He wants the very best for us that He has to offer.

I think about what you said about how our pain, misery and suffering in life is a result of our rejection of God. He is life, health and healing and He always wants the very best for us. God is truely Good all of the time. Above and beyond all we could ever think or imagine.
 
I think about what you said about how our pain, misery and suffering in life is a result of our rejection of God. He is life, health and healing and He always wants the very best for us. God is truely Good all of the time. Above and beyond all we could ever think or imagine.

Amen. So true. Beautifully said. :salute
 
The cornerstone for the new Temple was brought to Jerusalem on May 21, 2009 and still remains on the street. "Jerusalem Day" in 1967 was to celebrate the liberation of the Temple Mount, but there is a problem there as the Doom of the Rock sits on the Temple Mount. Baruch Ben-Yosel , chairman of the Movement to Restore the Temple, made it clear that the Temple had to be built in the exact spot where the Dome of the Rock sits.

There will never be a third Temple built by hands, Acts 7:48; Acts 17:24. When the veil of the Temple was torn from top to bottom after Jesus gave up the ghost, Matthew 27:50, 51, this symbolized that the sacrifice of Jesus and the shedding of his blood was now made for the atonement of sin and that all, Jew and Gentile, can come before Him as He is the only way to the Father, John 14:6.

There is no more veil for the Priest to enter into the Holy of Holies once a year to make atonement for Israel's sin nor is there any more animal sacrifices as we are no longer under the Old Covenant nor the preaching of the law, but are under a new and better covenant of Gods grace through Christ Jesus as our High Priest, Hebrews 4:14-16. Jesus prophesied of the Temple being desolate and that no one will see Him again until His time comes meaning when He returns on the last day, Matthew 24:1, 2; Luke 13:34, 35, John 6:40.

God no longer dwells in a Temple made by hands and this is why God left it desolate all these years when it was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD. Now the Dome of the Rock sits on part of the Temple Mount and was built around 692 AD. The Muslims will never give it over to Israel, plus the Dome of the Rock is being refurbished for the son of perdition (not a Muslim man) to come and sit on his throne and will cause a great falling away from truth, Isaiah 14:12-14; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12.

Jesus fulfilled everything the temple stood for being the last sacrificial lamb taking away all the sin of the world. God no longer dwells in a temple made by hands, Acts 7:48-50; 17:22-31; Hebrews 10:7-18

Malachi 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts.

John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

The church, (body of Christ) is the temple where God dwells by His Holy Spirit, Zechariah 6:9-15 (prophecy of coming Messiah); 1 Corinthians 3:16, 17; Ephesians 2:19-22, Galatians 3:19-29.

In 70AD the second temple was destroyed and put an end to the temple made by hands and the sacrifices made there. The Temple of God now dwells in all who are Spiritually born again and indwelled with the Holy Spirit, John 3:5-7; Romans 10:9, 10.
This is why the Antichrist's final defilement of God's temple will be that of the body temple. It's known as transhumanism, corrupting the image of God into the image of the Beast through technology.
 
This is why the Antichrist's final defilement of God's temple will be that of the body temple. It's known as transhumanism, corrupting the image of God into the image of the Beast through technology.
This is also known as the Bluebeam Project, which in theory will deceive the very elect of God if possible. Anyone can look this up.
 
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And how exactly does God talk? A voice in your head?
If you hear voices in your head, people might call you crazy. But do you know what AI is? On TikTok or YouTube, you’ll often hear someone say, “Thus sayeth the Lord,” as if God is speaking directly to us. In reality, though, it’s just an algorithm amplifying the voice of a person somewhere online. AI, or artificial intelligence, is essentially a system designed to analyze data, recognize patterns, and generate responses based on its programming.

God enlightens our understanding. Most often, He speaks to us through angels—that is how we communicate with Him. Revelation 8:4 describes the smoke of incense rising before God, along with the prayers of the saints. In biblical tradition, incense symbolizes prayer and worship, and its smoke ascending represents prayers reaching God.
 
If you hear voices in your head, people might call you crazy. But do you know what AI is? On TikTok or YouTube, you’ll often hear someone say, “Thus sayeth the Lord,” as if God is speaking directly to us. In reality, though, it’s just an algorithm amplifying the voice of a person somewhere online. AI, or artificial intelligence, is essentially a system designed to analyze data, recognize patterns, and generate responses based on its programming.
God definitely speaks out, he speaks to the nation of Israel all the time in the bible. The real question is whether he speaks to you personally in one way or another, if not in words, maybe in signs, maybe through some other people to you, anything out of the ordinary in your daily routine.
 
God definitely speaks out, he speaks to the nation of Israel all the time in the bible. The real question is whether he speaks to you personally in one way or another, if not in words, maybe in signs, maybe through some other people to you, anything out of the ordinary in your daily routine.
I said this before. I was seeking God for over 5 years. Then He showed me Jesus, Jesus showed me the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit lead me back to Jesus and Jesus lead me back to the Father. Most through the word of God. I read the Bible as least 5 times cover to cover but Genesis one I read many times and there is still a lot more there that I am still working on trying to understand.
 
I said this before. I was seeking God for over 5 years. Then He showed me Jesus, Jesus showed me the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit lead me back to Jesus and Jesus lead me back to the Father. Most through the word of God. I read the Bible as least 5 times cover to cover but Genesis one I read many times and there is still a lot more there that I am still working on trying to understand.
Well good for you. What leads me out of depression and back to Jesus is not mere word of God on the paper, but hard work of God in and through me, even just regular chores - cleaning, washing, cooking, baking, organizing, etc. This might just play into the hustle culture I grow up in. As it is written, Greeks seek wisdom and Jews seek signs, I'm not a Jew, but folks 'round here do seek signs, everybody is valued for what they do and what they have, those are counted as signs; nobody cares about what you read, what you preach and what label you wear. This is the same mentality of the first century Jews, you know, they didn't believe in Jesus for what he preached, they believed for the miracles, for the healing and feeding, only the Pharisees and Sadducees got mad at him for not being religiously correct.
 
Well good for you. What leads me out of depression and back to Jesus is not mere word of God on the paper, but hard work of God in and through me, even just regular chores - cleaning, washing, cooking, baking, organizing, etc.
Yes, it takes hard work if we want to stay alive. Even it is work for me to breath sometimes. I see an old guy out walking his dog every day and that is what keeps him and his dog alive. I have a therapist come into the house one day a week to encourage me to go beyond what I am doing.

I believe what the law of attraction people say that depression is the result of negative energy and we need positive energy. The Karma people say the same thing. Some people like Oprah think to be a Christian is positive energy overcoming the negative. The Bible clearly says that in everything we are to give thanks because God causes all things to work together for good for those who love God and are called according to His purpose. He gives us the desires of our heart so of course we need to purify out heart so we only desire what is good and beneficial for us.
 
I believe what the law of attraction people say that depression is the result of negative energy and we need positive energy. The Karma people say the same thing. Some people like Oprah think to be a Christian is positive energy overcoming the negative. The Bible clearly says that in everything we are to give thanks because God causes all things to work together for good for those who love God and are called according to His purpose. He gives us the desires of our heart so of course we need to purify out heart so we only desire what is good and beneficial for us.
I'm not sure about that. I've heard that this law of attraction is just confirmation bias, an tendency of being attracted to whatever consistent with your existing beliefs and preferences, whether it's positive or negative. It's the same kind of feedback loop that algorithms operate on.
 
I'm not sure about that. I've heard that this law of attraction is just confirmation bias, an tendency of being attracted to whatever consistent with your existing beliefs and preferences, whether it's positive or negative. It's the same kind of feedback loop that algorithms operate on.
My dad was a medical doctor and he did a lot with the power of suggestion and positive thinking. The placebo effect can go a long way. But it has it's limits. For example Polio did not respond very well so they had to come up with a vaccine for that. He use to hypnotize a whole audience. He hypnotized my whole school once.
 
My dad was a medical doctor and he did a lot with the power of suggestion and positive thinking. The placebo effect can go a long way. But it has it's limits. For example Polio did not respond very well so they had to come up with a vaccine for that. He use to hypnotize a whole audience. He hypnotized my whole school once.
That's not what I was talking about. I was challenging the "law of attraction" concept, it might just be confirmation bias, packaged as this "law of attraction" and peddled by the New Age cult.
 
That's not what I was talking about. I was challenging the "law of attraction" concept, it might just be confirmation bias, packaged as this "law of attraction" and peddled by the New Age cult.
Satan seeks to fill our minds with worry and fear, but the Bible calls us to live in joy and gladness, rejoicing in the Lord always.

I believe there may be a misunderstanding or a difference in interpretation. It seems like your perspective on the term differs from how I initially described it. Regarding the Law of Attraction, it is often described as a principle where positive thoughts attract positive outcomes and negative thoughts attract negative experiences. I see a connection between this and having the mind of Christ, which encourages believers to think and live in a way that reflects Jesus’ teachings, emphasizing faith, love, and hope rather than negativity or despair.

Encouraging positivity as a Christian aligns perfectly with faith, love, and hope, which are central to God’s teachings. The Bible repeatedly emphasizes renewing the mind, thinking on what is good, and trusting in God's wisdom—all of which guide believers toward a life rooted in peace, joy, and purpose.

Here are a few biblical principles that can help others embrace positivity through faith:

  • Renewing the mind: "Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind." (Romans 12:2)
  • Thinking on what is good: "Whatever is true, noble, right, pure, lovely, admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things." (Philippians 4:8)
  • Casting out fear with love: "There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear." (1 John 4:18)
  • Living with faith and trust: "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding." (Proverbs 3:5)
 
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