We are at the end, Iran and Israel war.

[WalterandDebbie]

It seems Iran went out and got enriched uranium so was weeks from getting it to weapons grade of 90% and they had the missiles or bombs ready to put it into and use on Israel. So they needed to do a preemptive strike or face nuclear annihilation days or weeks away, as Iran will not stop till it gets it to nuclear weapons grade and use it.

"VIENNA (AP) — Iran has further increased its stockpile of uranium enriched to near weapons-grade levels, a confidential report by the U.N. nuclear watchdog said Saturday. In a separate report, the agency called on Tehran to urgently change course and comply with its years-long probe.

The report comes at a sensitive time, as the administration of U.S. President Donald Trump seeks to reach a deal with Tehran to limit its nuclear program. The two sides have held several rounds of talks, so far without agreement.

The report by the Vienna-based International Atomic Energy Agency — which was seen by The Associated Press — says that as of May 17, Iran has amassed 408.6 kilograms (900.8 pounds) of uranium enriched up to 60%.

That’s an increase of 133.8 kilograms (294.9 pounds) — or almost 50% — since the IAEA’s last report in February. The 60% enriched material is a short, technical step away from weapons-grade levels of 90%. A report in February put this stockpile level at 274.8 kilograms (605.8 pounds)...

Approximately 42 kilograms of 60% enriched uranium is theoretically enough to produce one atomic bomb, if enriched further to 90%, according to the watchdog.

The IAEA report, a quarterly, also estimated that as of May 17, Iran’s overall stockpile of enriched uranium — which includes uranium enriched to lower levels — stood at 9,247.6 kilograms (20,387.4 pounds). That’s an increase of 953.2 kilograms (2,101.4 pounds) since February’s report.


Iran has maintained its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes only, but the IAEA chief, Rafael Mariano Grossi, has warned that Tehran has enough uranium enriched to near-weapons-grade levels to make “several” nuclear bombs if it chose to do so.."
https://apnews.com/article/iran-nuclear-iaea-uranium-7f6c9962c1e4199e951559096bcf5cc0.

"..Here’s what it means to enrich uranium – and why it raises concerns in Iran-Israel conflict

According to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), Iran has enriched large quantities of uranium to 60 per cent. It’s actually easier to go from an enrichment of 60 per cent to 90 per

Late last week, Israel targeted three of Iran’s key nuclear facilities – Natanz, Isfahan and Fordow – killing several Iranian nuclear scientists.

The facilities are heavily fortified and largely underground, and there are conflicting reports of how much damage has been done.

Natanz and Fordow are Iran’s uranium enrichment sites, and Isfahan provides the raw materials, so any damage to these sites would limit Iran’s ability to produce nuclear weapons."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-israel-uranium-enrichment-b2770714.html.

"..Iran has enriched uranium for 10 nuclear bombs, continues production
A confidential report by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), obtained by The Wall Street Journal, confirms that Iran has continued producing high-level enriched uranium. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office responded, saying: "The report proves that Iran's goal is to develop a nuclear weapons program. The world must stop it....
Despite ongoing nuclear talks with the United States, Iran has continued enriching uranium at a pace sufficient to yield enough material for one nuclear bomb per month, according to The Wall Street Journal, which cited an IAEA document circulated to member states."

Iran has enriched uranium for 10 nuclear bombs, continues production

A confidential report by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), obtained by The Wall Street Journal, confirms that Iran has continued producing

www.israelhayom.com

"When Israel launched its series of strikes against Iran last week, it also issued a number of dire warnings about the country’s nuclear program, suggesting Iran was fast approaching a point of no return in its quest to obtain nuclear weapons and that the strikes were necessary to preempt that outcome."

MSN

Hello reddogs, how are you all? We are well, thank you, Brother,

Love always, Walter And Debbie

 

[miamited]

What is offensive is when someone who purports to be a "man of faith" says that the god of Islam is the same God as in the Bible. They are absolutely not the same.

Psalm 96:5 deals with this issue. The gods of the nations are no gods at all. Just as Jesus said, we can tell those who are his by their fruit. Islam does not teach that salvation from our sin comes only through Jesus. So no!!! The God of Islam or any other religion or nation of people that doesn't teach that basic foundational message of our need for a Savior because of our sin before God, is not the same as the faith in the one true and living God. All the others come under the explanation of Psalm 96:5.

Neither does the religion of Islam teach that we are to be loving and merciful to all people just as Jesus has been to us. Of course, neither are many christians as loving and merciful as Jesus, but that doesn't change the basic teaching of how we are to live according to the One who created us. Islam and christianity do not serve the same God.

The religion of Buddhism doesn't serve the same god as the God of Isreal. Any religion that doesn't teach that our eternal salvation only comes through the one that the God of Israel sent, isn't worshipping the same god.

 

[ezrider]

I have no idea what you mean by any of this.

That's really not surprising at all. Only he who now letteth will let..... Until then....

 

[ezrider]

Psalm 96:5 deals with this issue. The gods of the nations are no gods at all. Just as Jesus said, we can tell those who are his by their fruit. Islam does not teach that salvation from our sin comes only through Jesus. So no!!! The God of Islam or any other religion or nation of people that doesn't teach that basic foundational message of our need for a Savior because of our sin before God, is not the same as the faith in the one true and living God. All the others come under the explanation of Psalm 96:5.

Neither does the religion of Islam teach that we are to be loving and merciful to all people just as Jesus has been to us. Of course, neither are many christians as loving and merciful as Jesus, but that doesn't change the basic teaching of how we are to live according to the One who created us. Islam and christianity do not serve the same God.

The religion of Buddhism doesn't serve the same god as the God of Isreal. Any religion that doesn't teach that our eternal salvation only comes through the one that the God of Israel sent, isn't worshipping the same god.

Tell me Ted,

Do you believe there is ONE God, ONE Heavenly Father?
Or do you believe there to be MANY Gods?

Also, can you show me where the Children of Ishmael were party to the Covenant with Death. The Native Americans honored the Great Spirit; when were they party to the Covenant with Death? Jesus was a light to the Gentiles, but why would they need salvation if they were not part of the Covenant with Death. What did they need saving from. Salvation was for the Jews.


Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant
to raise up the tribes of Jacob,
and to restore the preserved of Israel:
I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles,
that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

 

[ezrider]

The god of Islam supports lying and deception,

Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Jesus did not say this to the children of Ishmael.

he isn't said to be the saviour.

Were they under the Law of Moses and the Covenant with Death? If not, why would they need a saviour?

Anyone who thinks they are one and the same God hasn't studied either well enough.

Tell me, have you been to a Mosque? Have you ever read or studied the Qur'an?

 

[Passepartout]

Sadly we will never see peace real as long as this earth is in existence. Due to us being sinners. Peace can exist when Jesus comes back into this world or when we leave this earth for eternity with Christ!

 

[ezrider]

Sadly we will never see peace real as long as this earth is in existence. Due to us being sinners. Peace can exist when Jesus comes back into this world or when we leave this earth for eternity with Christ!

There is a peace that could exist if those who called themselves after the name of God would only submit to God rather than rule is if they were God. Christian Zionists aren't following Christ, they're trying to rule in His place. They followed him into the wilderness to be templed of the devil, only they took the stones and did use them for bread, in strong delusion they did leap from the cliff, and now the pinnacle stands before them; all the kingdoms of the earth to rule for themselves.


Besides, that was not the peace that Jesus promised.

John 14:27
Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

John 16:33
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

 

[Free]

That's really not surprising at all. Only he who now letteth will let..... Until then....

Rather than continuing on in such a manner, it's normally the point where a person interested in genuine discussion will clarify things.

Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Jesus did not say this to the children of Ishmael.

Again, I have no idea what your point is. What does it matter that "Jesus did not say this to the children of Ishmael"?

Were they under the Law of Moses and the Covenant with Death? If not, why would they need a saviour?

Again, I have no idea what your point is. What is "the Covenant with Death"? Everyone needs the Saviour, so what is the point of your question?

Tell me, have you been to a Mosque? Have you ever read or studied the Qur'an?

What do these things have to do with anything? I have been to a mosque, although I can't remember if it was in use at the time. I have read the Quran, but it doesn't really matter since it was in English, not Arabic. That's why I lean on those who are either scholars or were Muslims. That is why I can say confidently that anyone who thinks the god of Islam is the God of the Bible hasn't studied either well enough.

 

[ezrider]

Again, I have no idea what your point is. What is "the Covenant with Death"?

The Law of Moses, the First Covenant is referred to as a Covenant with Death, or as Paul said the ministration of death.

I really don't know why this is so hard for you people to grasp. Sin worketh Death, I had not known Sin, but by the Law. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil, in the day you eat thereof you shall surely die.

That is why I can say confidently that anyone who thinks the god of Islam is the God of the Bible hasn't studied either well enough.

I ask the same of you as I did miamited

Do you believe there is ONE God, ONE Heavenly Father?
Or do you believe there to be MANY Gods?

That's why I lean on those who are either scholars or were Muslims.

This is your problem, you rely on scholars and the wisdom of men seeking after the knowledge of good and evil rather than listening to the Spirit of Christ.

 

[Free]

The Law of Moses, the First Covenant is referred to as a Covenant with Death, or as Paul said the ministration of death.

I really don't know why this is so hard for you people to grasp. Sin worketh Death, I had not known Sin, but by the Law. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil, in the day you eat thereof you shall surely die.

Okay, but I still don't know what your point is. Speak plainly, please.

Do you believe there is ONE God, ONE Heavenly Father?
Or do you believe there to be MANY Gods?

What does that have to do with anything? There is one true God, but many false gods, among which is Allah, the god of Islam. Islam doesn't believe that Allah is a heavenly father.

This is your problem, you rely on scholars and the wisdom of men seeking after the knowledge of good and evil rather than listening to the Spirit of Christ.

Oh, is that my problem? That would explain a lot, wouldn't it? Gee, I wish someone had told me sooner. That's a convenient way to demonize those who disagree with you without giving anything of substance and dodging the question, I'll give you that much.

How terrible to read those who actually know what they're talking about, since I don't speak Arabic. It's also why I lean on those scholars who know Hebrew and Greek, through whom the Spirit of Christ speaks.

So, I ask again, what does going to a mosque or reading or studying the Quran have to do with anything?

 

[ezrider]

Okay, but I still don't know what your point is. Speak plainly, please.

You'll have to bring that one back around. Not sure what you think I was trying to make point over other than I said that Ishmael was not party to the covenant with death. They were not under the Law of Moses, therefore they were not in need of a savior. Only those who know their death by the knowledge of good and evil and the knowledge of sin need a savior.

What does that have to do with anything? There is one true God, but many false gods, among which is Allah, the god of Islam. Islam doesn't believe that Allah is a heavenly father.

I know only One God, so when I hear someone pray to God, I cannot make distinction; for there is only One God.

You seem to look for many gods, the same as you would say there are many Christs. Do you not say the Jehovahs Witness or the Mormon worship a different Jesus?

How terrible to read those who actually know what they're talking about, since I don't speak Arabic. It's also why I lean on those scholars who know Hebrew and Greek, through whom the Spirit of Christ speaks.

So, I ask again, what does going to a mosque or reading or studying the Quran have to do with anything?

Why do you need to speak Arabic, or Greek, or Hebrew in order to hear the Spirit of Christ? What you are telling me is you are more interested in the translations, to judge the letter of the word rather than listening to the spirit of the word. You are seeking after something else altogether.

2 Corinthians 3:6
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

I have never been to a mosque, but I have read the Qur'an. In fact I have a copy of it on my bookshelf, along with various Bibles, as well as a book of Mormon. They are just books full of words, words that convey a message. When I read the Qur'an, I could hear the Spirit of God in those words. Why, because I listened for the Spirit of God when I read those words. I read those words with a pure heart because Christ gives me the freedom me to do so, not with a heart looking to be critical of the letter of words I read so that I might stand in condemnation of them as you do.

2 Corinthians 3:7-9
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.


It seems to me you have bound yourself to the covenant with death and are a practicing minister of condemnation, which has its own glory if that's what you seek after.


God said of all the trees in the garden you may eat, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil do not eat lest you die. Of all the books in the world, there is but one book that gives you the knowledge of good and evil, the knowledge of sin of death; And when you eat of its fruit you begin to judge as if you were God, condemning all the other books of the garden; except for the one book that keeps you bound to death while you stand beneath the cross wearing your fig leaf waiting for your savior to climb back down.

 

[hawkman]

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil, in the day you eat thereof you shall surely die.

It is a spiritual death , Adam and Eve did not take their last breath that day .

Do you believe there is ONE God, ONE Heavenly Father?

Yes , who sent his Son the Messiah to die for our sins . Do you believe the Son of God died for your sins ?

 

[Oseas]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - PUT THIS IN YOUR MIND ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - THE RED SEA AND THE RED DRAGON ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I believe you know that the Hebrews had to cross the Red Sea, and walk through a desert, walk until they got to the Promised Land after 40 years of peregrination / pilgrimage. What about GOD's people now or in this current time?

Now GOD's people will have to go through (I mean win a war) against the Red Dragon, that's exactly it, a Red Dragon yes, this is no coincidence, it was predicted millennia ago. He's a false messiah who will soon manifest, just ahead, with great signs of lying, he will manifest in Israel as a lamb with two horns, he's a Jew, of course, and he'll speak like a Dragon. Revelation 12.v.3 to 17 and Revelation 13:v. 11 to 18.

Let's get ready to go through this not easy FINAL journey of GOD's people here until the glorious, marvelous, and day of exceedingly joy - the day 1335. Amen.

Remembering and understanding that the departure of the Hebrew people from Egypt was not, without first having taken place a battle against Pharaoh (by the way, there and now is Satan himself), and when the march began for the departure of God's people from Egypt, then the enemy army persecuted the Hebrews, the same will happen now, initially the persecution will be by the man Beast of the sea, it is he who will first persecute the Christian believers - Revelation 13:v.5 - for 42 months, that is the first half of the last week, the week 70th Daniel 9:v.27. This POINT is only and only the half of the way -3,5 years or 42 months, the GOD's people will need to march more 3,5 years, so the murch will last 7 years, it will not be easy this journey of course.

Again: Let's get ready to go through this not easy FINAL journey of GOD's people here until the glorious, marvelous, and day of exceendigly joy - the day 1335. Amen.

JESUS in His prayer to the Father, said: John 17:v.15 - I pray not that thou take them out of the world, but that thou keep them from the evil.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Matthew 5:v.5

Get ready, yeah, get ready.

 

[miamited]

Do you believe there is ONE God, ONE Heavenly Father?
Or do you believe there to be MANY Gods?

Hi ezrider

In the reality of living, there is only one God. The God who has revealed Himself to us through the people of Israel. That is proven by His use of prophecy. However, since nearly the beginning of this realm of existence men have made gods to go before them. As Isaiah writes about the gods made up by men, he takes a block of wood and with some of it he heats his food and with the rest he fashions a god for himself out of the wood.

The God of Israel, the only God who has proven Himself to be the true and living God through His generous use of prophecy, has told us the truth concerning our situation and our need for a Savior. He has given us that Savior through the life of His Son. So, the only true faith is the one that is exampled for us by the God who revealed Himself through His word passed down from His people. Any other faith, religion, practice for human harmony or whatever that doesn't teach the basic concept that we are all sinners in need of a Savior whose name is Jesus... are just false religions.

All of your argument that seems to be making some point that all the gods of the people are just the one true God understood differently by a particular culture or group of people, just is not the truth and is soundly rebuked throughout the Scriptures. Abraham's family had man-made gods. Egypt had man-made gods. The Israelites even made a man-made god to be their god. I honestly have a hard time understanding how anyone who has understood what the God of Israel has revealed to us through His word, thinking that all the gods of the people of the earth are the same god.

Also, can you show me where the Children of Ishmael were party to the Covenant with Death. The Native Americans honored the Great Spirit; when were they party to the Covenant with Death? Jesus was a light to the Gentiles, but why would they need salvation if they were not part of the Covenant with Death. What did they need saving from. Salvation was for the Jews.

And I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you're going on about in those statements. Could you explain where in the Scriptures you find that the covenant of death, that God gave unto Adam and Eve, was only for some certain group of people as the earth began to be populated. The covenant of death that God spoke to Adam and Eve has fallen upon every living soul since, except for perhaps Enoch and Elijah. Even Jesus suffered death. As it is written, he is the firstborn from the dead. That covenant says that if someone sins, then they will fall in death. That covenant has been in place since the days of Adam and Eve and has never been relaxed for any group of humans. Not the Jews, not the Moabites, not the Ishmaelites or the native indians of the various lands. For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

 

[ezrider]

And I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you're going on about in those statements. Could you explain where in the Scriptures you find that the covenant of death, that God gave unto Adam and Eve, was only for some certain group of people as the earth began to be populated. The covenant of death that God spoke to Adam and Eve has fallen upon every living soul since,

First you say you have no idea of what I'm talking about when I say the Covenant with Death, then you immediately go and ascribe this covenant to Adam and Eve. Why would you do that if you did not understand what the covenant was? The Covenant with Death was made with the children of Israel on Mt Sinai with Moses. The Covenant with Death is what you refer to the old Covenant, which was only given to a specific group of peoples. Adam was commanded not to eat from the tree, he did not make a covenant with the tree.


But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death,
and with hell are we at agreement;
when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us:
for we have made lies our refuge,
and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD,
Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone,
a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation:
he that believeth shall not make haste.
Judgment also will I lay to the line,
and righteousness to the plummet:
and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies,
and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.


For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

 

[ezrider]

In the reality of living, there is only one God.

Good, then we are in agreement there.

The God who has revealed Himself to us through the people of Israel.

God did not reveal himself to me through the people of Israel. He reveal himself to me through the Spirit of His Son.

All of your argument that seems to be making some point that all the gods of the people are just the one true God understood differently by a particular culture or group of people

No Ted, that is the way you choose to see it because you, like Free, seem to give deference to these other gods who are no gods. Tell me Ted, the Muslim peoples and all the gentiles of the world. Were they created by a different God than the one you would say created the heavens and the earth?

 

[Oseas]

- The seven heads of the red Dragon -
The seven heads are a religious and satanic MONSTER widespread in whole Earth. In Europe, and Asia, Africa, Oseania(Australia), North America, Central America and South America(7 regions of the Planet). It is the Roman Catholic Church which rides upon the Beast of sea, her ruler and guide, that is the Popes (sea means peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues)-that MAN Beast is the Pope-the Papacy, his religious structures will be incorporated/ embodied by the red Dragon. How? When the Dragon give his Power, and his Throne in Jerusalem, and his great Authority to the Pope, it for 42 months.

- The ten horns of the red Dragon -
the most powerful religious system of Israel - the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist Judaism. This powerful Jewish religious system very soon will celebrate the manifestation of their messiah, by the way, JESUS prophesied this satanic event-John 5:v.43-47. This false messiah will be enthronized in Jerusalem, Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders. Paul Apostle warned: 2 Thessalonians 2:v.3-4: - 3 Let no MAN(the false messiah)deceive you by any means: for the day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that MAN of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. In fact, this MAN is the MAN Beast of the earth with two horns(he represents two kingdoms), like a lamb(a false lamb), and speaks as Dragon-Revelation 13:v.11 to 18. Actually, this Jewish MAN Beast represents not only the two kingdoms, but also and mainly the 10 tribes of Israel , the tribes of the kingdom of Judah are excluded, of course.

Similarity between passing by the Red Sea and by the Red Dragon

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - PUT THIS IN YOUR MIND ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - THE RED SEA AND THE RED DRAGON ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I believe you know that the Hebrews had to cross the Red Sea, and walk through a desert, walk until they got to the Promised Land after 40 years of...

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[Free]

You'll have to bring that one back around. Not sure what you think I was trying to make point over other than I said that Ishmael was not party to the covenant with death. They were not under the Law of Moses, therefore they were not in need of a savior. Only those who know their death by the knowledge of good and evil and the knowledge of sin need a savior.

Absolutely everyone is in need of a saviour. To say otherwise is to completely miss the overarching narrative of the Bible.

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth.
Rom 1:19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.
Rom 1:20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
Rom 1:21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. (ESV)

Eph 2:1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins
Eph 2:2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience—
Eph 2:3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. (ESV)

I know only One God, so when I hear someone pray to God, I cannot make distinction; for there is only One God.

Of course there is only one true God, but to say that when someone prays "to God," it follows that they are praying to the one true God, or likely praying to him, is an astounding and utterly unbiblical claim. You haven't read in Scripture the many examples of numerous false gods being worshiped, or even that there are numerous false gods?

1Co 8:4 Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that “an idol has no real existence,” and that “there is no God but one.”
1Co 8:5 For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”—
1Co 8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. (ESV)

2Co 4:3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing.
2Co 4:4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. (ESV)

2Co 11:14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. (ESV)

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
1Jn 4:2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
1Jn 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already. (ESV)

1Co 12:3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.

Muslims most definitely do not confess that Jesus is Lord, thereby showing they do not have the Holy Spirit. The point is, there are many gods, in the sense that people worship them instead of the one true, living God. Since we have the Bible and we can know someone's beliefs, whether they're Christian or Muslim, for example, we can know whether or not they are praying to the one true God.

You seem to look for many gods, the same as you would say there are many Christs. Do you not say the Jehovahs Witness or the Mormon worship a different Jesus?

Of course they do. I have repeatedly stated that such a Jesus is a false Jesus; he is not the Jesus of Scripture but of their imaginations. The same goes for Allah, the god of Islam, he is, at best, a god of their imaginations.

Why do you need to speak Arabic, or Greek, or Hebrew in order to hear the Spirit of Christ? What you are telling me is you are more interested in the translations, to judge the letter of the word rather than listening to the spirit of the word. You are seeking after something else altogether.

Not at all. Those who say all we need is to hear the Holy Spirit or Spirit of Christ, while technically true, usually has an underlying naivety and is misleading. God primarily speaks through Scripture and we are to study and pray for help from the Holy Spirit for understanding. However, God mainly teaches by his Spirit through others, hence why he gave some as teachers. If it was all simply through "hearing the Holy Spirit," then Bible teachers would be needless. And that was then. Here we are some 2,000 years later, reading English translations of ancient languages.

The irony is, when you read an English translation of the Bible, you are leaning on those who know Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. And when you read an English translation of the Quran, you are leaning on those who know Arabic, except that in this case, it doesn't really matter, since it isn't the true Quran.

2 Corinthians 3:6
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

I have never been to a mosque, but I have read the Qur'an. In fact I have a copy of it on my bookshelf, along with various Bibles, as well as a book of Mormon. They are just books full of words, words that convey a message. When I read the Qur'an, I could hear the Spirit of God in those words. Why, because I listened for the Spirit of God when I read those words. I read those words with a pure heart because Christ gives me the freedom me to do so, not with a heart looking to be critical of the letter of words I read so that I might stand in condemnation of them as you do.

Then, I must say, you likely weren't hearing the Spirit of God. You seem to be espousing religious pluralism, something which the Bible clearly and strongly rejects. Of course we're free to read those books--I have all of those and more--but only the Bible is God's revelation to us.

My main point in bringing up these languages, was that you don't seem to know that if you don't read the Quran in Arabic, then you're not really reading the Quran. The only true Quran is one in Arabic. Of course, it's not inspired or given by God and Muslims are falsely taught that the teachings of Muhammad have been accurately preserved, but that's all besides the point.

The Bible alone is God-breathed. The only thing the Spirit of God should be saying to you while reading the Quran is how false it is and warning how easily people are deceived.

 

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2 Corinthians 3:7-9
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.


It seems to me you have bound yourself to the covenant with death and are a practicing minister of condemnation, which has its own glory if that's what you seek after.

It seems to me that you either haven't read much of the NT or you haven't understood what you have read. There are numerous warnings given regarding false teachers and false prophets, including this one:

2Pe 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.
2Pe 2:2 And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed.
2Pe 2:3 And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
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2Pe 2:12 But these, like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed, blaspheming about matters of which they are ignorant, will also be destroyed in their destruction,
2Pe 2:13 suffering wrong as the wage for their wrongdoing. They count it pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, while they feast with you.
2Pe 2:14 They have eyes full of adultery, insatiable for sin. They entice unsteady souls. They have hearts trained in greed. Accursed children!
2Pe 2:15 Forsaking the right way, they have gone astray. They have followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved gain from wrongdoing,
2Pe 2:16 but was rebuked for his own transgression; a speechless donkey spoke with human voice and restrained the prophet's madness.
2Pe 2:17 These are waterless springs and mists driven by a storm. For them the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved.
2Pe 2:18 For, speaking loud boasts of folly, they entice by sensual passions of the flesh those who are barely escaping from those who live in error.
2Pe 2:19 They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption. For whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved. (ESV)

It's too bad that you're condemning Peter (and the other NT writers) in condemning me, which itself is hypocritical. We are supposed to judge teachers and their teachings, to see if they are in line with Scripture or not, and to reject those things that go against it. Look also at what Jesus himself said:

Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Joh 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Joh 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. (ESV)

You're condemning Jesus as well. Fundamental to Islam is that Jesus is not the Son of God. So, according to Jesus himself, Muslims are "condemned already." According to Paul, they are "by nature children of wrath." They also don't believe Jesus was crucified, so there can be no salvation in Islam; there is only salvation from Islam, which often does happen through dreams of Jesus.

The most loving thing you could is to show Muslims the gospel and their need of Jesus as Saviour and Lord, that without him they stand condemned along with everyone else who rejects Christ. Instead, you're doing the most unloving thing possible by supporting Islam and the Quran, essentially loving them all the way to hell. That is the covenant of death.

God said of all the trees in the garden you may eat, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil do not eat lest you die. Of all the books in the world, there is but one book that gives you the knowledge of good and evil, the knowledge of sin of death; And when you eat of its fruit you begin to judge as if you were God, condemning all the other books of the garden; except for the one book that keeps you bound to death while you stand beneath the cross wearing your fig leaf waiting for your savior to climb back down.

I have no idea what you're saying here, other than you don't think very highly of the Bible, at least not nearly highly enough. And so you sit in hypocritical judgement, doing the very thing you claim I'm doing. The difference is, I have the Bible as support.

 

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First you say you have no idea of what I'm talking about when I say the Covenant with Death, then you immediately go and ascribe this covenant to Adam and Eve. Why would you do that if you did not understand what the covenant was?

Hi ezrider

Oh, I understand the concept of the 'covenant of death'. What I don't understand is your explanation that it's only for certain groups of people. That it wasn't made with indigenous peoples of the various lands of the earth. That it wasn't made with other groups of people, but you believe it was only with the Jews through Moses and the law. The covenant of death has existed since the beginning when sin was introduced to the earth. In the days of Adam and Eve and covers everyone. EVERYONE. EVERYONE!! As I wrote earlier, there are only two possible examples given in the Scriptures of two men that 'may' have escaped the covenant of death... Elijah and Enoch.

The Covenant with Death was made with the children of Israel on Mt Sinai with Moses. The Covenant with Death is what you refer to the old Covenant, which was only given to a specific group of peoples. Adam was commanded not to eat from the tree, he did not make a covenant with the tree.

Yes, this is what I don't understand. What are you referencing when you say that Moses is the one who made this 'covenant with death'? What in the world are you referencing when you say that Adam didn't make some covenant with a tree. No! God made a covenant with Adam and Eve that sin was the doorway or covenant or whatever you'd like to refer to it as, to death. So no, I don't understand what it is that you're teaching.

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Right! That's the covenant of death that God has decreed upon all who sin. This claim is referencing the fall into sin in the garden. And it has since applied to everyone. And you're wrong about all gods of the peoples of the nations, or even some of them, are people worshipping the same God of Israel. Which has also been addressed in the Scriptures.