We are at the end, Iran and Israel war.

[daddd]

"Oodles of nukes"? Israel has 90, which is second lowest only to North Korea with 50. You want oodles, look at the U.S. and Russia, even China.

Yet the official number is not known. Are you suggesting Iran could then also have 90 nukes? Or is this one sided?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/nuclear-weapons-by-country

Again, Israel faces threats on all borders from Muslim countries that want to wipe it off the face of the earth. "From the river to the sea," remember? Has Israel ever used a nuke? No. So, where is the threat from Israel?

Ever wonder why? The people of Gaza face threats and are killed every day. Real threats.

Who started the war in Gaza by attacking innocent civilians and took hundreds of hostages? Who hides behind civilians, using them as human shields? Who dug all the tunnels under hospitals and residential areas where the IDF continue to find the remains of hostages?

Irrelevant since the fog of war has clouded the truth of origins. Who has killed tens of thousands of children and women? Not Iran. Not Gaza. So you want to let the people who did kill the tens of thousands (and continue to today) too have 90 nukes?

Hamas are terrorists and always have been.

Baloney. The word terrorist loses all meaning when we see the murder going on today there.

 

[Hidden In Him]

When you face the second death, maybe then you'll understand then.

I am a person of Faith.

You're a person who dodges a lot, LoL. I'm gonna let it go, but be advised that antisemitism is a bannable offense on this forum. So is incessant dodging.

Blessings,
- H

 

[daddd]

You're a person who dodges a lot, LoL. I'm gonna let it go, but be advised that antisemitism is a bannable offense on this forum. So is incessant dodging.

Blessings,
- H

I can understand why being anti anybody is an offence here or anywhere else. That includes anti Gaza anti Iran etc etc .

 

[Hidden In Him]

I can understand why being anti anybody is an offence here or anywhere else. That includes anti Gaza anti Iran etc etc .

We're to pray for others. Had a friend texting me last night and his messages about the Jews read right out of the Satanist playbook. I was shocked.

We don't go in for being anti anybody, and that all the more goes for the genealogy of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. There are wicked people in every race and religion, including Christianity, but you don't take what one basket case did in gunning down politicians in Minnesota and turn it into "All Christians are murderers." I know wonderful Muslims, and I've met a few who were not so wonderful. Judgement needs to be on a one-on-one basis, and not fall into the error of adopting a prejudice towards an entire race or religion of people.

 

[daddd]

We're to pray for others. Had a friend texting me last night and his messages about the Jews read right out of the Satanist playbook. I was shocked.

I might say the same about some messages regarding how the Gazans deserve to be starved and killed and moved etc.

We don't go in for being anti anybody, and that all the more goes for the genealogy of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. There are wicked people in every race and religion, including Christianity, but you don't take what one basket case did in gunning down politicians in Minnesota and turn it into "All Christians are murderers." I know wonderful Muslims, and I've met a few who were not so wonderful. Judgement needs to be on a one-on-one basis, and not fall into the error of adopting a prejudice towards an entire race or religion of people.

Bingo

 

[ezrider]

So, in your mind is the Russian attack on Ukraine also illegal?

Yes

 

[ezrider]

But as regards the laws of a nation, a nation, because of its sovereignty is only subject to the laws that that particular nation makes.

A nation is not only bound by it's own laws, but also to any treaty they make with another nation. In this country, if congress passed the treaty, then it becomes law.

 

[ezrider]

It does, however, for Islam, Allah is the proper name of their god. In Judaism and Christianity, however, "God" is a title or type of being (deity), who goes by many names, such as YHWH.

Oh No! Say it ain't so Santa Claus!
Or is it...?
Saint Nicholas, or maybe Kris Kringle, perhaps Papa Noel, Agios Vasilis, Babbo Natale, or maybe just a Man known by Many Names.

What does it matter to you if a different people call God by a different name? I get the sense that it is more of a personal affront to you, that it somehow offends you. Why is that?

Why does it seem that you're defending Islam?

Where in the world did yet ever get the idea that I am "defending" Islam, because I said THEY see Jesus as a great prophet? I said no more than that, nothing. You actually agreed with me, that they, being Muslims, recognize Jesus as a prophet. I guess in you mind that's consider defending Islam.

By using the English phrase that only Muslims use--"God is Greater" (Allahu akbar). Why would you use that unless you're a Muslim?

Why would I use that term unless I am a Muslim?

First, I find that question to be grounded in racism.

Second, I did not use the phrase "God is Greater," Hidden In Him used the term God is Greater in a post, and I responded to that phrase.

Are you offended by that phrase? Is not God Greater? Do you find that to be an inaccurate statement? On it's face, I can not disagree with it; God is Greater. Who is Greater than God?

 

[ezrider]

You're a person who dodges a lot, LoL. I'm gonna let it go, but be advised that antisemitism is a bannable offense on this forum. So is incessant dodging.

Blessings,
- H

I would not answer because it seems so irrelevant and yet so dearly important to you. Why does it matter to you so much? Can we not have an honest conversation without you having pre-judged my character.

I have identified myself as a Christian on this forum one month shy of fourteen years now. But that's not good enough for your presumptions. You asked which religion I am affiliated with, I answered I am a person of Faith. I am affiliated with NO religion. Religions are of the world.


Before you start throwing around the word antisemitism, you better clearly define what it is you presume to be antisemitic. Carpet accusation don't fly. You seemed to disagree with me on it, so are you presuming it to be antisemitic of me to state that the Covenant made with Moses was indeed a Covenant with Death?

 

[Hidden In Him]

Allah literally translates as "God".

Their God is the same as the God of Abraham.

they were not bound to the covenant of Death

All favorable statements regarding Islam.

Ishmael was not part of the covenant that the sons of Israel made with Moses on Mount Sinai. It was only the sons of Israel that made a covenant death.

Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men,
that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.
Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death,
and with hell are we at agreement;
when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us:
for we have made lies our refuge,
and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD,
Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone,
a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation:
he that believeth shall not make haste.
Judgment also will I lay to the line,
and righteousness to the plummet:
and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies,
and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
And your covenant with death shall be disannulled,
and your agreement with hell shall not stand;
when the overflowing scourge shall pass through,
then ye shall be trodden down by it.
From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you:
for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night:
and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.
For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it:
and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.

The above is clearly unfavorable towards the Jews, and badly misinterpreted. Together it all suggests where your true sympathies lie.

 

[miamited]

A nation is not only bound by it's own laws, but also to any treaty they make with another nation. In this country, if congress passed the treaty, then it becomes law.

Well, over in the country where I live, treaties are not law. They are agreements between nations. Nobody goes to jail or gets the gas chamber or pays a fine to some court if they break a treaty. A treaty is what we used to have with Iran that allowed us to monitor what they were doing, but, well, you know. You don't live in this world if you think that treaties carry the force of law. And there is not a country on the face of the earth that if their congress passes a law it becomes a law unto another country.

 

[ezrider]

The above is clearly unfavorable towards the Jews,

I quoted a scripture referencing the covenant with death; And you have the gall to say that is clearly unfavorable towards the Jews? By quoting the scripture; Got it. You do know the covenant with with death was not just made with the Jews (Judah), but with all of the tribes of Israel. Was Paul being antisemitic when he spoke of Moses and the ministration of Death, written and carved in stone?

 

[ezrider]

Well, over in the country where I live, treaties are not law. They are agreements between nations. Nobody goes to jail or gets the gas chamber or pays a fine to some court if they break a treaty. A treaty is what we used to have with Iran that allowed us to monitor what they were doing, but, well, you know. You don't live in this world if you think that treaties carry the force of law. And there is not a country on the face of the earth that if their congress passes a law it becomes a law unto another country.

Article VI.
All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.


The USA acted illegally in accordance with our own laws under our Constitution.

 

[miamited]

and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land;

Yes, that's the land of the United States.

 

[miamited]

Hi ezrider

Give it some careful consideration. If the U.S. Congress could make laws that are in effect in foreign countries, why, instead of sending several billion dollars to Ukraine didn't we just make it illegal for Russia to attack Ukraine?

 

[ezrider]

Hi ezrider

Give it some careful consideration. If the U.S. Congress could make laws that are in effect in foreign countries, why, instead of sending several billion dollars to Ukraine didn't we just make it illegal for Russia to attack Ukraine?

It already was illegal and still is illegal under the UN Charter that both nations are members of, as too is is the United States. But you were correct and incorrect at the same time. The UN is both toothless and yet at the same time full of raging beasts. The UN was the rules based order that was born out of the second world war. A seemingly democratic type of body that would seek maintain order in the world, only it wasn't. It was the western model for ruling the rest of the world after discovering that western colonialism was no longer sustainable.

Why can't they do anything about Russia? Because they were made untouchable, they hold veto power. So unless you are willing to go to war to bring them to justice, then the best they can do is economic sanctions and ban them from the olympics. The world stands aghast at the ongoing genocide being carried out in Gaza, live-streamed to us on our phones in 4K, yet why can't the world seem to do anything about it? Because the United States holds veto power, and it uses it on Israels behalf all the time. Who is going to stop it? Who is going to go to war against the USA? Who's going to make war against the beast? Iran? What can the rest of the world do, boycott next years World Cup?

The World Court has found that Israel is likely committing a genocide in Gaza. The ICC has issued criminal arrest warrants for Benjamin Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant, meaning should they step into any member nation, then that nation is obligated to arrest them. The USA is not signatory to the ICC, but threatened them with sanctions and other things none the less. After the holocaust they held the Nuremberg Trials. Maybe one day we shall see the Jerusalem trials.

There are two outcomes if this escalates into a full blown war with Iran. Either we completely conquer Iran and steal all of their natural resources for ourselves, or else it will bankrupt this country marking the end of our world dominance. All the wars we've fought in the middle east since 9/11, what have we gained? What have we lost? How many trillions were spent? Did we capture their nature resources for to the benefit of America, or was it done to secure resources for global corporations under the guise of American interests?

 

[miamited]

It already was illegal and still is illegal under the UN Charter that both nations are members of, as too is is the United States.

I rest my case. Foreign nations can make no laws that apply to other nations. We have agreements and those are broken all the time and nobody goes to jail.

 

[Free]

Oh No! Say it ain't so Santa Claus!
Or is it...?
Saint Nicholas, or maybe Kris Kringle, perhaps Papa Noel, Agios Vasilis, Babbo Natale, or maybe just a Man known by Many Names.

What does it matter to you if a different people call God by a different name? I get the sense that it is more of a personal affront to you, that it somehow offends you. Why is that?

What is offensive is when someone who purports to be a "man of faith" says that the god of Islam is the same God as in the Bible. They are absolutely not the same. The god of Islam supports lying and deception, gives virgins to those who die as martyrs, even by blowing themselves up to kill infidels, he is unipersonal, he isn't said to be love, and he isn't said to be the saviour. Anyone who thinks they are one and the same God hasn't studied either well enough.

Where in the world did yet ever get the idea that I am "defending" Islam, because I said THEY see Jesus as a great prophet? I said no more than that, nothing. You actually agreed with me, that they, being Muslims, recognize Jesus as a prophet. I guess in you mind that's consider defending Islam.

I never said you were defending Islam, just that it seems as though you were. That's based on all your posts in this thread, not just this one thing. But even on this one thing, you ignored what I pointed out: they deny he was crucified, deny his Sonship, and deny his deity.

First, I find that question to be grounded in racism.

Okay, but it isn't, especially since it has nothing to do with race.

Second, I did not use the phrase "God is Greater," Hidden In Him used the term God is Greater in a post, and I responded to that phrase.

I was addressing your claim: "I post like a Muslim? How so? By pointing out that God is Greater and that you are in no position to Judge God?"

You also posted: "God is greater, should be pretty obvious is it not?" And then went on to "translate" the phrase that Hidden In Him provided. It's very difficult to see how you cannot be defending Islam, even if it is only to be against Israel and or the Jews.

Are you offended by that phrase? Is not God Greater? Do you find that to be an inaccurate statement? On it's face, I can not disagree with it; God is Greater. Who is Greater than God?

It is inaccurate, yes. God is greater than ants, yet so are we. God is greatest, by an infinite margin. Since "God is greater" is the English translation of Allahu akbar, then we shouldn't be using it at all unless we're quoting what Muslims believe.

 

[ezrider]

What is offensive is when someone who purports to be a "man of faith" says that the god of Islam is the same God as in the Bible. They are absolutely not the same. The god of Islam supports lying and deception, gives virgins to those who die as martyrs, even by blowing themselves up to kill infidels, he is unipersonal, he isn't said to be love, and he isn't said to be the saviour. Anyone who thinks they are one and the same God hasn't studied either well enough.


I never said you were defending Islam, just that it seems as though you were. That's based on all your posts in this thread, not just this one thing. But even on this one thing, you ignored what I pointed out: they deny he was crucified, deny his Sonship, and deny his deity.


Okay, but it isn't, especially since it has nothing to do with race.


I was addressing your claim: "I post like a Muslim? How so? By pointing out that God is Greater and that you are in no position to Judge God?"

You also posted: "God is greater, should be pretty obvious is it not?" And then went on to "translate" the phrase that Hidden In Him provided. It's very difficult to see how you cannot be defending Islam, even if it is only to be against Israel and or the Jews.


It is inaccurate, yes. God is greater than ants, yet so are we. God is greatest, by an infinite margin. Since "God is greater" is the English translation of Allahu akbar, then we shouldn't be using it at all unless we're quoting what Muslims believe.

And there the Man of Sin sits, in the temple of God showing himself that he is god. And now your trying to convince me to be offended by something that gives to me no offense.

It's apparent that the actual teachings of Jesus are completely lost upon you, something like a seed falling by the wayside. But you have in your hands the knowledge of good and evil, so go on, show us how you can speak for the Almighty because you can read the words of a book O Man of Sin.

 

[Free]

And there the Man of Sin sits, in the temple of God showing himself that he is god. And now your trying to convince me to be offended by something that gives to me no offense.

It's apparent that the actual teachings of Jesus are completely lost upon you, something like a seed falling by the wayside. But you have in your hands the knowledge of good and evil, so go on, show us how you can speak for the Almighty because you can read the words of a book O Man of Sin.

I have no idea what you mean by any of this.