The One Verse that is Conclusive Jesus Christ is COEQUAL with the Father

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The One Verse that is Conclusive Jesus Christ is COEQUAL with the Father

“that all should Honour the Son just as they Honour the Father. He who does not Honour the Son does not Honour the Father who sent Him” – (John 5:23)

The Speaker here is the Lord Jesus Christ. His words are very clear and plain to all who will hear them.

Jesus is here saying, that all people must Honour Him, in EXACTLY THE SAME way, as they do the Father.

The Greek adverb used here, “kathṓs”, has the meaning, “according as, just as, even as, in comparison”, which is to say, “EXACTLY AS”, with no difference between the Honour shown to Jesus Christ, and the Honour shown to God the Father.

The Greek verb, “timáō”, has the meaning, “honour, revere, reverence”

In the Book of Isaiah, we read:

“I am YHWH. That is My Name. I will not give My Glory to another, nor My Praise to engraved images” (42:8)

The Hebrew noun used here, is “kâbôwd”, which is used for, “honour, splendour, glory” (Brown, Driver, Briggs Hebrew Lexicon; Gesenius, Hebrew Lexicon)

YHWH is clear, that He will not give His Glory/Honour to any other, as He has no equal, with any Created being.

There has, nor will be, ANY human, or angel, or other heavenly Being, that can ever utter the words that Jesus Christ has in this passage.

IF, as some suppose, that Jesus Christ is a “created” Person, by the Father, then He cannot in anyway, be EQUAL with the Father, because Jesus would be part of Creation, and the Father, as The Creator.

There is no other way that Jesus’ own words can be understood. That ALL humans MUST give Him the EXACT SAME Honour, that they give to God the Father. Not lesser in any way!

Further, those who do not Honour Jesus EXACTLY as they do the Father, these do not actually Honour the Father.

We also read in this verse, of Jesus being “sent” by the Father. Now, there are some who assume, that the one who “sends”, is “greater”, than the one who is “sent”. This verse as Spoken by Jesus Himself, shows this to be totally wrong, in His relationship with the Father. The “sending” and “sent”, with the Persons in the Trinity, are purely “functional”, as for purposes to be accomplished. There is not “primary” or “secondary”, in the Persons in the Divine Nature or Godhead.

In the Book of Revelation, we also see where Jesus Christ is COEQUAL with God the Father:

"And ALL of the Creation, which is in the heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and on the sea, and all things that are in them, heard I saying, to Him Who sits on the throne, and unto the Lamb, be ALL the Blessing, and ALL the Honour, and ALL the Glory, and ALL the Might, for ever and ever. And the four living creatures said, Amen. And the elders fell down and Worshiped." (5:13-14. so emphasized in the Greek)

Whatever is in the passage, said about God the Father, “ALL the Blessing, and ALL the Honour, and ALL the Glory, and ALL the Might, for ever and ever”, is EQUALLY for Jesus Christ. The Greek conjunction, “kai” (AND to the Lamb), is used many times “expressing emphatic assertion”, as in John 5:23, “EXACTLY AS”.

In verse 14 it also says that Jesus Christ is WORSHIPED TOGETHER WITH God the Father.

It is impossible, if, as some say, that Jesus Christ is “inferior” to the Father, or is “created” by the Father, for any of these passages to be true concerning the Lord Jesus Christ. What is very clear, is that the Father is ALMIGHTY GOD, and Jesus Christ is also ALMIGHTY GOD. The phrase in Revelation 5:13, “to kratos” (strength, might, power), “The MIGHT” (as in Isaiah 9:6, “’êl Gibbôr”, for Jesus Christ, and 10:21, for the Father, MIGHTY GOD), is used EQUALLY for BOTH the Father and Jesus Christ, Who are ALMIGHTY.

The teachings in the Bible are perfectly clear, to those who want to know the Truth. That, just as the Father is YHWH, so is Jesus Christ YHWH, and the Holy Spirit YHWH. These are the plain FACTS of the Word of God.

I cannot see how anyone can dispute the complete CO-EQUALITY of Jesus Christ with God the Father, from this one verse in the Gospel of John.
 
I cannot see how anyone can dispute the complete CO-EQUALITY of Jesus Christ with God the Father, from this one verse in the Gospel of John.
As with many man-made or lower thoughts, ideas, doctrines, dogmas, teachings and so on,
as Jesus opposed in His Life Walking on earth ,
men have put traditions of man over the Word of God. Thus a forum filled with errors daily protecting the errors instead of always seeking the truth and revealing Truth in perfect harmony with all Scripture, as God is delighted to reveal to little childrn, and hides it from educated scholars daily.
 
Greetings SolaScriptura,
The One Verse that is Conclusive Jesus Christ is COEQUAL with the Father
“that all should Honour the Son just as they Honour the Father. He who does not Honour the Son does not Honour the Father who sent Him” – (John 5:23)
The Speaker here is the Lord Jesus Christ. His words are very clear and plain to all who will hear them.
Jesus is here saying, that all people must Honour Him, in EXACTLY THE SAME way, as they do the Father.
The Greek adverb used here, “kathṓs”, has the meaning, “according as, just as, even as, in comparison”, which is to say, “EXACTLY AS”, with no difference between the Honour shown to Jesus Christ, and the Honour shown to God the Father.
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I cannot see how anyone can dispute the complete CO-EQUALITY of Jesus Christ with God the Father, from this one verse in the Gospel of John.
John 14:28 (KJV): Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Kid regards
Trevor
 
IF, as some suppose, that Jesus Christ is a “created” Person, by the Father, then He cannot in anyway, be EQUAL with the Father, because Jesus would be part of Creation, and the Father, as The Creator.
Right! not equal . a created being more necessary in the act of creation then many can yet discern. Why? why did the almighty God need him ? some will like the answer others not so much.
to say Jesus is equal is a degrading of God 's qualities .
Mark 10:18
KJ21
''And Jesus said unto him, “Why callest thou Me good? There is none good but One, that is, God.''
its clear that even as great as Jesus is he never attempted to say he was equal .
 
As with many man-made or lower thoughts, ideas, doctrines, dogmas, teachings and so on,
as Jesus opposed in His Life Walking on earth ,
men have put traditions of man over the Word of God. Thus a forum filled with errors daily protecting the errors instead of always seeking the truth and revealing Truth in perfect harmony with all Scripture, as God is delighted to reveal to little childrn, and hides it from educated scholars daily.
exactly WHAT are you on about?
 
Greetings SolaScriptura,

John 14:28 (KJV): Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Kid regards
Trevor
already dealt with this

 
Right! not equal . a created being more necessary in the act of creation then many can yet discern. Why? why did the almighty God need him ? some will like the answer others not so much.
to say Jesus is equal is a degrading of God 's qualities .
Mark 10:18
KJ21
''And Jesus said unto him, “Why callest thou Me good? There is none good but One, that is, God.''
its clear that even as great as Jesus is he never attempted to say he was equal .
I just posted this study

 
Greetings again SolaScriptura,
John 14:28 (KJV): Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
already dealt with this
I read your thread with the two Posts and it is mainly a repetition of the many so called popular Trinitarian texts. I have answered some of these in other threads and do not see the need to answer ALL the texts. You seemed to then add a brief inadequate response to John 14:28, and I suggest that you have NOT effectively answered John 14:28.

Kind regards
Trevor
 
Greetings again SolaScriptura,


I read your thread with the two Posts and it is mainly a repetition of the many so called popular Trinitarian texts. I have answered some of these in other threads and do not see the need to answer ALL the texts. You seemed to then add a brief inadequate response to John 14:28, and I suggest that you have NOT effectively answered John 14:28.

Kind regards
Trevor
HOW does John 14:28 mean that Jesus Christ is not God? do you believe that Jesus is a created person?
 
Greetings again SolaScriptura,
HOW does John 14:28 mean that Jesus Christ is not God?
If the Father is greater than Jesus as this passage clearly states, then yes, Jesus is not God. Jesus is a human, now exalted to sit at the tight hand of God, in God the Father's throne, and he is the Son of God by birth, character and resurrection.
do you believe that Jesus is a created person?
I believe he was born by means of the Holy Spirit coming upon Mary, and as such God the Father is his father and Mary is his mother Matthew 1:20-21, Luke 1:34-35, John 1:14.

Kind regards
Trevor
 
Greetings again SolaScriptura,

If the Father is greater than Jesus as this passage clearly states, then yes, Jesus is not God. Jesus is a human, now exalted to sit at the tight hand of God, in God the Father's throne, and he is the Son of God by birth, character and resurrection.

I believe he was born by means of the Holy Spirit coming upon Mary, and as such God the Father is his father and Mary is his mother Matthew 1:20-21, Luke 1:34-35, John 1:14.

Kind regards
Trevor
This answers John 14:28, which is Jesus Speaking as The God-Man, in His "human nature";

In John 17:5, Jesus says:

“And now Glorify Me Thou, Father, with Thyself, with the Glory which I had before the world was, with Thee” (literal)

In this verse Jesus is saying to the Father, that, from all eternity, He “had”, “ειχον”, in the imperfect, of continued possession, the same GLORY as that which God the Father has as His possession! Jesus says, “παρα σεαυτω” (with Thyself) “παρα σοι”, where the use of the preposition “παρα”, which means, “besides, near, in the company of”, thereby showing that The Father and Jesus Christ are DISTINCT Persons. This Glory which Jesus enjoyed with The Father from all eternity, is what He “gave up”, during His Incarnation. In Luke 24:26, Jesus says, “Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into His glory?””.

In Isaiah 42:8 it says, “I am the LORD, that is My name; And My Glory I will not give to another, Nor My praise to carved images”

YHWH says that He would not give His own Glory (כָּבוֹד, Honor, Glory) to any other. Yet, Jesus Christ tells YHWH the Father, that He EQUALLY possessed His GLORY from all eternity! IF, as some suppose that Jesus Christ is a mere created being, or eternally “subordinate” to the Father in the Godhead, then what we read here in the Holy Bible, cannot be correct!

Jesus gave up His "equality" with the Father while on earth, which is also seen in Philippians 2:5-8; and Hebrews 2:9. From all eternity, as we can see from John 17:5, and now in His Glory, Jesus IS 100% COEQUAL with the Father.
 
Jesus is word, light and life that is God come in the flesh. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Scriptures that reference Jesus being referred to as God:
John 1:1-14; John 10:30; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8, 9; 1 John 5:7, 8, 20; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 2 Corinthians 3:17; 13:14; Isaiah 9:6; 44:6; Luke 1:35; Matthew 1:23; 28:19; John 14:16, 17; Genesis 1:1, 2 (cross reference John 1:1-14); 1 Corinthians 12:4-6; Ephesians 4:4-6; Colossians 1:15-17; John 14:9-11; Philippians 2:5-8; Rev 1:8
 
Jesus is word, light and life that is God come in the flesh. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Scriptures that reference Jesus being referred to as God:
John 1:1-14; John 10:30; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8, 9; 1 John 5:7, 8, 20; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 2 Corinthians 3:17; 13:14; Isaiah 9:6; 44:6; Luke 1:35; Matthew 1:23; 28:19; John 14:16, 17; Genesis 1:1, 2 (cross reference John 1:1-14); 1 Corinthians 12:4-6; Ephesians 4:4-6; Colossians 1:15-17; John 14:9-11; Philippians 2:5-8; Rev 1:8
Excellent post! thanks for sharing :thm
 
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