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26 "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
...Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; 33 AD
... And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. 70 AD
It is clear from verse 26 that the 70th week, and the Abomination of Desolation is in no way associated with the Messiah, nor the events of 70 AD.
27 He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator."
We see the 70 th week begin some time after the events of 70 AD as the frame work of this prophetic word is laid out.
JLB
Dan.9:24 "Seventy weeks (490 years) are determined...."
Daniels prophecy covers a period of 490 years, no more, no less.
The futurist inserts a "gap" of nearly 2000 years and counting......why????
457bc-34ad=490 years!
There is no reason whatsoever to insert a 2000 year "gap"!
Since 70ad far exceeds the 490 year fulfillment of Daniels prophecy, we must face the fact that the destruction of the temple in 70ad (verse 26) occurred after the fulfillment of the 70th week!
Furthermore, by insisting that the 70 weeks is not yet fulfilled, the futurist denies the redemptive blessings of the finished work of the cross (v24)......having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof!
Fact:
Jesus prophesies the destruction of Jerusalem (the buildings) (Mark.13:2)
His disciples ask him when this will happen and what sign will be given to indicate it will happen (verse 4)
Jesus begins to answer HIS DISCIPLES ("Jesus answering them") (verse 5)
Jesus tells his disciples that they would see the AOD ("when you shall see the AOD) (verse 14)
Jesus tells his disciples that their generation ("this generation") would not die until these things were done (came to pass).
The AOD was (the "sign") and "this generation" (40 years) was the "when" (the time)!
The futurist does not disagree with me, he disagrees with the Lord!
Blessings, Hope of glory.
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north And half of it toward the south.
I don't see Zechariah 14, as referring to 70 AD.
If so, that would have to be explained to me.
The reason being that the Lord fights against the nations and that's not what I see in 70 AD.
Armies most certainly did surround Jerusalem in 70AD, so Luke 21:20 is definitely linked in this respect to the events of 70AD.
Excellent observation!
Zechariah contains language of both Jerusalem being surrounded by armies and the return of The Lord.
Zechariah 14 is about the end of the age, not the events of 70 AD!
Hyper-futurism must deny simple facts to maintain it's doctrine.
Question, which the futurist will continue to stumble over:
How can a single generation (this generation) see both Jerusalems destruction (70ad) and Jesus' future return?
Question, which the futurist will continue to stumble over:
How can a single generation (this generation) see both Jerusalems destruction (70ad) and Jesus' future return?
Answer: Zechariah 14 has both the surrounding of Jerusalem and the return of The Lord Jesus!
Simple.
Luke 21:20 is a reference to this prophecy in Zechariah.
JLB
Question, which the futurist will continue to stumble over:
How can a single generation (this generation) see both Jerusalems destruction (70ad) and Jesus' future return?
Answer: Zechariah 14 has both the surrounding of Jerusalem and the return of The Lord Jesus!
Simple.
Luke 21:20 is a reference to this prophecy in Zechariah.
JLB
Can't agree with you on this. Luke 21, is the same scene as in Matthew 24. In Matthew 23, Jesus makes it quite clear that the Lord is not going to help them fight off enemies. "Your temple will be left to you, desolate." (para).
I don't remember Jesus paraphrasing scripture, so that it fit someone's doctrine.
There aint no Scriptures on WWI , WWII so I guess they didn't happen? The USA is not real because there are no Scriptures? IMO Jesus Himself, give the prophesy and some folks deny it to be so. I can't help but see the end of the Jewish Temple life as an important time. The Grace and Mercy of our Lord was shown to the faithful ( of the OT way of worship) to that last generation... The beginning of the end , in the human sense, was the birth of Jesus. He grew and began His earthly ministry. Then we have His Cross...Everything in the OT looks to His Sacrifice. We first see it in Geneses . I believe the old time saying was, the Red Thread that weaves through scripture.....
In reading the OT we see God doing a lot of stuff by generations why should this be different?
I don't remember Jesus paraphrasing scripture, so that it fit someone's doctrine.
My name is Mike, and I approve of this statement.
Mike.[/QUOTE"] I said, In Matthew 23, Jesus makes it quite clear that the Lord is not going to help them fight off enemies. "Your temple will be left to you, desolate." (para)."
Matthew 23:38
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Sorry, He sound pretty upset to me. "Vipers!". So I don't think He was helping them to fight off the nations, in this scripture of destruction.
Matt 23
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
So Mike, my paraphrase was not the far from being word for word AND the reason I gave from using that scripture to begin with I believe is pretty solid.
Excellent observation!
Zechariah contains language of both Jerusalem being surrounded by armies and the return of The Lord.
Zechariah 14 is about the end of the age, not the events of 70 AD!
I have to agree, I still have been waiting and waiting on that scripture for 70ad armies and There does not seem to be any. If Rev was written before 70ad then I doubt it's even in there. As for Temples being overrun. Going through the OT it
does not seem nothing new for Jerusalem to loose a temple here or there. In fact they got their butts handed to them on a regular basis for disobedience. Beat down and God restores them back, beat down again then God restores them back.
Which is why I question this Temple in Luke would even be worth mentioning getting (Supposedly) Destroyed in 70ad. Who would really care? It's connected to some very significant events such as all the signs of the 6th seal being released which would have been recorded in History somewhere. The stars vanishing seems like a big deal to me at least.
What really bothers me is that we have to take the stars and not make them really stars, even though we have many exact accounts in the OT. The sun is not really the sun and the moon is not really the moon. A definite event that would have been recorded somewhere.
What we do is make them something else to fit a Doctrine. You don't believe in Healing then you just say that "By His stripes we are healed." Is ummm. Spiritual Healing, nothing to be proven or seen, just believe it.
Hyper-futurism must deny simple facts to maintain it's doctrine.
Then we have this interesting statement. While not trying to come off as a complete nut case like those (Hyper-Futurism's) out there, we are to accept the Watered down version of it, even though we have to accept a very major event as
hyperbole or symbolic, like where the heck the moon, stars and sun go? We don't want to come off as a fanatic so no way to those Hyper types, but seriously........ I can't compare the sun, moon and stars to anything reasonable, among other things. Call the stars angels? then all the angels disappearing would be in some history text right? Oh, you can't see angels so covered once again.
It's like Calvinism. There is hyper Calvinist and Calvinist. No matter how little Vodka you pour into my water though I can still taste it. Jesus said it another way, a little something does something to something but it's all bad.
Mike.
There aint no Scriptures on WWI , WWII so I guess they didn't happen? The USA is not real because there are no Scriptures? IMO Jesus Himself, give the prophesy and some folks deny it to be so.