The Death Penalty

[Lewis]

I Lewis supports the death penalty, many Christians don't support it because they say it is against God' but they are dead wrong. But anyway take a look at Texas. So who here supports the death penalty' and believes that it is Biblical ?

<header>Texas carries out landmark 500th execution

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David J. Phillip / AP
Jean Wilkins Dember, 83, joins others Wednesday, June 26, as they protest the 500th execution in Texas outside the Texas Department of Criminal Justice Huntsville Unit. Kimberly McCarthy was set to be executed Wednesday evening.


By Sophia Rosenbaum, Staff Writer, NBC News
Texas on Wednesday executed its 500th inmate since it reinstated the death penalty in 1982, passing a grim milestone in the state that has executed more prisoners than any other in the country.
As a few dozen protesters gathered outside the prison in Huntsville, Kimberly Lagayle McCarthy, 52, was put to death by lethal injection, The Associated Press reported, making her one of a small number of women to have been executed.
<hr class="excerptEnd">John Hurt, a spokesman for the Texas prison system, told The Dallas Morning News that McCarthy joked with prison staff and was "not downcast" in her final hours. She was offered the same meal as other inmates: pepper steak, mashed potatoes with gravy, mixed vegetables and white cake with chocolate icing.


McCarthy, a former cocaine addict, was convicted of killing her 71-year-old neighbor during a 1997 robbery. She was found guilty of using a butcher knife and a candelabra to beat and stab retired college professor Dorothy Booth. Using the same knife, she severed Booth's finger to steal her wedding ring.McCarthy was granted a retrial by an appeals court in 2002 on the ground that police had obtained her confession illegally, but she was sentenced to death row again.Members of Booth's family say they don’t care about Texas' macabre tally, only about justice for their loved one."The only significance for us is that Kimberly McCarthy, because of her crack cocaine addiction or her sociopathic personality, deprived us of Dorothy Booth," Randy Browning, Booth's godson, told The Dallas Morning News. "Whether it's the 500th or the 5,000th, it doesn't matter."Browning had said he planned to attend the execution Wednesday evening.A death row inmate is executed every three weeks in Texas, a rate that far exceeds that of any other state. Texas is the leader in executions in the U.S. by about 400, with Virginia a distant second. Since the Supreme Court ruled on death penalty laws in 1977, Texas has accounted for 40 percent of the more than 1,300 executions nationwide.




Despite a cultural shift away from the death penalty in many parts of the country, 32 states still allow it.
The rate of executions has declined in recent years in Texas, as well. More than three dozen people were executed in 2000, but this year, McCarthy will be the eight person subjected to capital punishment.

Reuters
Kimberly McCarthy in an undated Texas Department of Criminal Justice photograph.


But many Texans support the death penalty, according to a 2012 poll by the Texas Tribune and the University of Texas. Only 21 percent said they were opposed.
Gov. Rick Perry is among the majority.
"I think our process works just fine," Perry said in 2012 during his unsuccessful presidential bid. "You may not agree with them, but we believe in our form of justice."
McCarthy will be the first woman put to death in the U.S. in more than three years and the 13th since the Supreme Court's ruling. The last woman executed in the U.S. was Teresa Wilson Lewis in Virginia on Sept. 23, 2010.
Related: On death row, Jodi Arias would be the rare woman

 

[turnorburn]

The death penalty has been with us from the beginning it was the first warning given to man and he's been fighting it ever since..

tob

 

[iLOVE]

Can anyone post scriptures that Jesus Christ who lives in you supports the death penalty?

 

[Milk-Drops]

My views on the death penalty is the same as my views on war. It should not be used, except in cases where there is no other way out. Its a barbaric practice that makes sense in the context of very small societies without the means of rehabilitation or isolation. The US ( or individual states) however is equipped to handle anti social behavior. There is plenty of training to deal with and rehabilitate people. The Biggest problem is implementing methods and the fact that prisons have become a business in the US.

Texas brags about its use of the death penalty, but if you think about it, it should be something to be ashamed of. Not in the pure sense of using it, but in the fact that they need to. What does that say about your population and social structure if there is a such as high death penalty rate? Think about that.

What is the real point of the death penalty? To serve justice by permanently removing people from society or to satisfy blood lust?

 

[reba]

I would keep the DP for the Ted Bundys, Dalmer, BTK types.....

As for scripture which I believe support such: And the OT is loaded with'em

<dir>Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Rom 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
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[Lewis]

God said do it with speed.

• Ecclesiastes 8:11 Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.
  

 

[iLOVE]

I would keep the DP for the Ted Bundys, Dalmer, BTK types.....

As for scripture which I believe support such: And the OT is loaded with'em

<dir>Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Rom 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
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Blessings Reba,

Romans 13:4, appears to support the "death penalty". The sword is the symbol of the right of the State to inflict Capitol punishment for Capitol crimes. The minister is not a Preacher of the Gospel, but a servant of the State. The State, as ordained by God, can use whatever force is necessary to stop "evil" i.e., crime.

Thank you!

 

[Northman]

In my dreams the death penalty would return to canada, although it never will. One has to wonder what authorities are thinking when they let out child rapists for the 10th time or let every single murder trial plead to second degree or manslaughter as if the act wasnt intended or was always heat of the moment rage. Giving someone a 5th or 20th chance at the expense of the innocent and/or little ones is plainly disgusting in the eyes of our lord.

Sometimes i forget that its the wicked and those most heavily influenced by the enemy that are and have been running the show...for now. Have faith! Good government is coming and its fortunate that we only have to wait til the end of life, be it our own or someone elses, for justice to be done.

 

[Milk-Drops]

In my dreams the death penalty would return to canada, although it never will. One has to wonder what authorities are thinking when they let out child rapists for the 10th time or let every single murder trial plead to second degree or manslaughter as if the act wasnt intended or was always heat of the moment rage. Giving someone a 5th or 20th chance at the expense of the innocent and/or little ones is plainly disgusting in the eyes of our lord.

Sometimes i forget that its the wicked and those most heavily influenced by the enemy that are and have been running the show...for now. Have faith! Good government is coming and its fortunate that we only have to wait til the end of life, be it our own or someone elses, for justice to be done.

My main concern here is that you cited something that I must ask about. How often do child molesters and murderers get off the hook? How big of a problem is it? Are there ways to make the system better without involving the death penalty?

These are things we must consider.

 

[Northman]

In my dreams the death penalty would return to canada, although it never will. One has to wonder what authorities are thinking when they let out child rapists for the 10th time or let every single murder trial plead to second degree or manslaughter as if the act wasnt intended or was always heat of the moment rage. Giving someone a 5th or 20th chance at the expense of the innocent and/or little ones is plainly disgusting in the eyes of our lord.

Sometimes i forget that its the wicked and those most heavily influenced by the enemy that are and have been running the show...for now. Have faith! Good government is coming and its fortunate that we only have to wait til the end of life, be it our own or someone elses, for justice to be done.

My main concern here is that you cited something that I must ask about. How often do child molesters and murderers get off the hook? How big of a problem is it? Are there ways to make the system better without involving the death penalty?

These are things we must consider.

Im not sure "getting off the hook" is entirely accurate from a nation/secular point of view. The judges are punishing how they see fit. But it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that something is wrong for handing out a 6-18 month sentence for child rape or upwards to 5 years or so actual served time for murderers.

I guess the main problem up here is that the people who are willing to do such things have absolutely zero fear of what the law will do to them after they are done entertaining their desire. As i hardly need to point out, in our court rooms up here, the sob story that the accused gives before judgement is EVERYTHING in sentencing. The better the liar and showman, the easier they are going to have it. Believe it or not, there was actually a case out west here where a couple immigrant folks took a hammer to the back of an individuals head/neck area and left him messed for life. Those involved in the aggression gave their tale of woe to the judge and were handed an outrageously light sentence and were actually caught on tape on the elevator down laughing their behinds off at the joke that is canadas justice system. There was something similar involving a domestic french doctor who stabbed his two children repeatedly after he tucked them into bed just cause he was mad at what his wife was doing.

Cases similar to this are all too common up here and the more i age, the more i see it as a travesty. We dont need to slowly impliment policies or have discussions on the matter. That time has far passed and as far as im concerned, heads simply need to come off to rectify the matter.

Alas living where i live, myself and my neighbor have no say in the matter and the only people who do are those we elect who get to be unaccountable to us for the duration of their term. I have no delusions that my views or "christian" based views will ever return to this land until my first love returns with the army. I simply saw lewis say something and my heart reached out because i can understand, nothing more.

Good grief how many times can i say matter? Lol

Thank you meatballsub for the conversation at the very least.

 

[Milk-Drops]

Im not sure "getting off the hook" is entirely accurate from a nation/secular point of view. The judges are punishing how they see fit. But it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that something is wrong for handing out a 6-18 month sentence for child rape or upwards to 5 years or so actual served time for murderers.

You are making this assertion as if its a common occurrence. What I'm asking you how dose this actually happen, or are you talking about special cases where rapist/murders/etc. have gotten off? The reason I ask, is that I'm pretty sure that people have a distorted idea of just how often this actually happens. Also this gets into the topic of what exactly the severity of punishment should be.

I guess the main problem up here is that the people who are willing to do such things have absolutely zero fear of what the law will do to them after they are done entertaining their desire. As i hardly need to point out, in our court rooms up here, the sob story that the accused gives before judgement is EVERYTHING in sentencing. The better the liar and showman, the easier they are going to have it. Believe it or not, there was actually a case out west here where a couple immigrant folks took a hammer to the back of an individuals head/neck area and left him messed for life. Those involved in the aggression gave their tale of woe to the judge and were handed an outrageously light sentence and were actually caught on tape on the elevator down laughing their behinds off at the joke that is canadas justice system. There was something similar involving a domestic french doctor who stabbed his two children repeatedly after he tucked them into bed just cause he was mad at what his wife was doing.

Like I said, how often does this actually happen. As far as I can find from stat sites, Canada makes the US look bad in comparing Murder, Manslaughter, Rape, theft, etc. rates per so many people.

Thank you meatballsub for the conversation at the very least.

You're welcome.

 

[Lewis]

I was reading some of the post up there, Meatballsub sometimes you have to kill people to get rid of evil' God did it all the time in the Bible. Sometimes He did it and sometimes He did it through men. And in the book of Romans He man the authority to use the death penalty.

 

[Milk-Drops]

I was reading some of the post up there, Meatballsub sometimes you have to kill people to get rid of evil' God did it all the time in the Bible. Sometimes He did it and sometimes He did it through men. And in the book of Romans He man the authority to use the death penalty.

I understand that there are cases where the death penalty is probably the only realistic option. My point was more around the the need of it in a first world country such as the US. Especially in Texas where its bragged about.

This really has nothing to do with God giving man permission for death penalty. This about utilization, and more about justice vs. a Punishment fetish that seems to have gripped the US culture when it comes to topics like the Death penalty.

 

[Randy]

The Death Penalty

Is it lawful in Gods eyes to put to death a person who has been found guilty of capitol murder on the testimony of two or more witnesses?

Yes

Is the death penalty mandatory (a command from God) for our nation?

No


Does the penalty of a crime cause a trial to be unfair?

No

Randy

 

[Webers_Home]

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Can anyone post scriptures that Jesus Christ who lives in you supports the death penalty?

The easiest way to do that is to quote scriptures that Jesus supports God.

†. John 8:29 . .The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him.

†. John 10:30 . . I and my Father are unified.

†. Matt 3:17 . . And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."

Jesus was the most observant Jew who ever lived. He never even one time opposed the laws of God, nor encouraged others to do so.

†. Matt 5:17 . . Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets

†. Matt 5:18-19 . . I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

In other words; had Jesus opposed the death penalty as per it's prescriptions in the Old Testament, he would not have been one with God, nor would he have pleased God, and he would be least in the kingdom of God, and he would be guilty of breaking the chiefest of all commandments in the whole Bible.

†. Mark 12:29-30 . . The most important commandment; answered Jesus; is this: You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength. (cf. Deut 6:5, Deut 10:12)

And worse; he would incur a curse upon himself.

†. Deut 27:26 . . Cursed is the man who does not uphold the words of this law by carrying them out.

The ultimate death penalty is a mode of termination akin to burning at the stake-- the reservoir of liquefied flame depicted at Rev 20:11-15. That horrific scene will be presided over by none other than the sweet little baby away in a manger.

†. John 5:22-23 . .The Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father.

†. Acts 17:31 . . For God has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising him from the dead.

Bottom line is: people who oppose the death penalty are in open rebellion against both God and Christ-- they are quite curse-worthy and in grave danger of the reservoir of liquefied flame. You can take it on faith that when you run across someone who opposes capital punishment; you have run across someone who is on that wide road to destruction about which the Lord spoke at Matt 7:13.

Buen Camino
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[Brother Mike]

Re: The Death Penalty

The Death Penalty

Is it lawful in Gods eyes to put to death a person who has been found guilty of capitol murder on the testimony of two or more witnesses?

Yes

Is the death penalty mandatory (a command from God) for our nation?

No


Does the penalty of a crime cause a trial to be unfair?

No

Randy

A Post with the Holy Spirit involved. I was getting worried.

If we did it God's way, then NO DEATH PENALTY.

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Rom 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Correct, but that is to keep "YOU" out of trouble, it says nothing about the Higher Powers being right, but in place because of God, because the Wicked slay Their own evil people (Psa 34:21)

The wicked also look to slay the righteous, the Law also convicts the innocent. (Psa 37:32)

We do have life in Prison, which cost less than a death penalty case.

As for scripture which I believe support such: And the OT is loaded with'em

Correct once again!!!
Mat 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

Thank you Jesus!!!

Once again, we have "Life in Prison" It's cheaper.

A man must reap what they sow, nobody escapes that law. Killing someone for wrong done is not what the Lord said. We don't do eye for eye anymore, we can put them away to keep people safe and hope they find Jesus. Also someone with a life sentence has very little appeal power, there is no priority to let them out even if they are innocent. Putting to death a innocent person, just one should be enough to take the Death penalty off the table.

Mike.

 

[Northman]

If we did it God's way, then NO DEATH PENALTY.

Isnt this the world we are all waiting for?

 

[reba]

[MENTION=96314]Northman[/MENTION]

 

[jasoncran]

Re: The Death Penalty

The Death Penalty

Is it lawful in Gods eyes to put to death a person who has been found guilty of capitol murder on the testimony of two or more witnesses?

Yes

Is the death penalty mandatory (a command from God) for our nation?

No


Does the penalty of a crime cause a trial to be unfair?

No

Randy

A Post with the Holy Spirit involved. I was getting worried.

If we did it God's way, then NO DEATH PENALTY.

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Rom 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Correct, but that is to keep "YOU" out of trouble, it says nothing about the Higher Powers being right, but in place because of God, because the Wicked slay Their own evil people (Psa 34:21)

The wicked also look to slay the righteous, the Law also convicts the innocent. (Psa 37:32)

We do have life in Prison, which cost less than a death penalty case.

As for scripture which I believe support such: And the OT is loaded with'em

Correct once again!!!
Mat 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

Thank you Jesus!!!

Once again, we have "Life in Prison" It's cheaper.

A man must reap what they sow, nobody escapes that law. Killing someone for wrong done is not what the Lord said. We don't do eye for eye anymore, we can put them away to keep people safe and hope they find Jesus. Also someone with a life sentence has very little appeal power, there is no priority to let them out even if they are innocent. Putting to death a innocent person, just one should be enough to take the Death penalty off the table.

Mike.

let me see cheaper yes but you decide. life in solitary confiment as you are convicted rapist , pedophile and or child killer. and are there for you protection as the others on life will kill you as means of justice. it happens. no rec time as well they riot a lot, or you act a fool an hour at the most from the small cell. I choose death, as quick as possible.

 

[Eugene]

Putting to death a innocent person, just one should be enough to take the Death penalty off the table.

Maybe we should apply that concept to all who commit any crime. Let's never again lock anyone up for fear of wrongly incarcerating one person. Just think; we could have no laws (Grace abounds). I wouldn't even be mad (sin) at that drunken jerk that cut me off in traffic; he's allowed to just in case I would wrongly accuse him of being inebriated when he's only a bad driver. :dunno