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Abomination of Desolation in 70AD - Part 2
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Sinthesis
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Now if you weren't so scared of preterism you could consider that perhaps Jesus' plan for restoring the world, which was in need of a savior, was by fulfilling Judaism's messianic prophecy and introducing Christianity to the entire world. Why should the Master do the work of restoration when He has billions of children to do His will? If you believe something in the world isn't right, then fix it. Make the world better for Jesus, that is what He taught in the parable of the talents.
We are to do the works that He did , which was heal the sick, cast out devils, raise the dead...
But that does not change the truth of God's word which says -
20 and that He may send Jesus Christ, who was preached to you before, 21 whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began. Acts 3:16
Yes sir, I sent her a PM that stated that.
Being caught up with God at the end of the age, after the resurrection is valid doctrine.
JLB
Edward you made my point.....
I have zero objection the word rapture. I use the word...It is just a word used to describe ... as lots of words are... Seems to some folks this word or that word that is not in scripture is considered unBiblical yet another is Biblical ? It can get so silly its like saying Roman capitivy did not happen because the words Roman captivity are not found in KJV...
Edward you made my point.....
It can get so silly its like saying Roman capitivy did not happen because the words Roman captivity are not found in KJV...
The point he is making is Rapture is a biblical term.
NOPE Edward strictly talking about the word. Word as in language we use not as in God WORD....
The w o r d rapture is not in scripture....that is all ...You wont find the phrase . Jesus loves me..... that one broke my heart ... Strictly talking about the words, the language...
Was i surprised to find the phrase 'heavenly language' is not in scripture.... Just like one does not find 'temple age' or 'temple era' but we get a good idea of what the speaker is referring to.
Long before there even was a temple there was Thee Tabernacle. And for a good length of time not either Thee tabernacle or temple... just a tent and not always that ..... Sheeehs i wonder if tangent can be found in scripture i sure went on one...
The w o r d rapture is not in scripture....that is all ...You wont find the phrase . Jesus loves me..... that one broke my heart ... Strictly talking about the words, the language...
Was i surprised to find the phrase 'heavenly language' is not in scripture.... Just like one does not find 'temple age' or 'temple era' but we get a good idea of what the speaker is referring to.
Long before there even was a temple there was Thee Tabernacle. And for a good length of time not either Thee tabernacle or temple... just a tent and not always that ..... Sheeehs i wonder if tangent can be found in scripture i sure went on one...
For the record, the word "rapture" comes from the Latin word rapturo, which is a translation of the Greek verb "caught up" that's found in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. You can call it the "pre-trib rapture," the "pre-trib rapturo," or the "pre-trib caught up" - it's all the same thing.
It is just a word.
ever been caught up in the moment? a pretty girl the birth of a child . your bride/groom. It is just a word. like a lot of others it can have more then one meaning.... It is just a descriptive word used to describe and event.
What other words do we translate from Greek to Latin then to English?
It is just a word.
ever been caught up in the moment? a pretty girl the birth of a child . your bride/groom. It is just a word. like a lot of others it can have more then one meaning.... It is just a descriptive word used to describe and event.
What other words do we translate from Greek to Latin then to English?
Rev33
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Well this IS an interesting turn....
Since the Scripture says there will be NO END to the increase of His Kingdom, and you measure that by the "Quantity of Christians", you must believe that there will never be an end to people choosing to follow Him. That there will always and forever be sinners born on earth with the opportunity to Choose to Follow Christ.
Which is in direct conflict to your belief that one day God will "Call Game" and put an end to the opportunity for Human beings to Choose salvation.
How do you reconcile this?
We measure the increase of His kingdom by His subjects, not trying to pretend the world is getting more godly.
Where do you see that I have said "Quantity of Christians", and that one day God will "Call Game" and put an end to the opportunity for Human beings to Choose salvation.
Those are your words, not mine.
The world is growing evil and more ungodly, as The Spirit said it would.
The climax of this will be the Great Tribulation.
Then The Lord will return at the end of the age, and gather His people at the resurrection.
JLB
Rev33
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BY the way you affirmed reba's measurement of "quantity, or ammount of christians" on earth having been forever on the increase since the incarnation when you said "amen Sister"
"amen" is an affirmation, in case you were unaware.
That's where.
If you misspoke, go ahead and tell us the measurement you are using.
When you say "we measure the increase by His subjects", what does that mean exactly?... by His subjects how? if not quantity or ammount, what exactly constitutes the "increase" and how will that continue "Forever" in your view?
B
Brother Mike
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2Ti_3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
It's not that the Lord's Kingdom will not increase more and more. There has never been a time in History where the Word of God is hitting every dark corner of the Earth. We have at our own church spending millions and millions of dollars to produce CD's and Materials to ship free all over the world. We are only spending just under 100k a week now with a small operation but we are building a multi-Million dollar factory to produce these things by the truck loads.
Other ministries are getting underwriters (Like us) from heathen TV stations. They are just doing and allow us time slots for those ministries in the will of God.
Some are just now starting project that will reach multi millions of Dollars to broadcast the Word from place to place. Never in the History of man has the Lord's Kingdom increased at such a rate that brothers and Sisters are being made by the thousands and tens of thousands every single day.
Never in History has the money been there like it is now, never in History have we reached so many people and we have a new technology that is not quit ready yet to be able to speak something and the software translates it perfectly in to over 30 different languages.
The kingdom is increasing and increasing more and more.
However, this supernatural supply and amazing miracle of means to get the Word across the Globe only comes with timing and the plan of God. People would have thought Noah was nuts building a boat and it had not even rained before. But Noah built a massive project to prepare for what was to come.
Building a large factory warehouse to produce free billions of Cd's to ship free across the globe is financial madness. It just does not work out economically on paper. Even with the small operation we have now it does not work out, Yet in the last 10 years we have never had to slow down, or stop production. We are twice as many a day than we did last year. The bandwidth on the Internet alone is over 14,000 a month bill.
Yes, the Kingdom is increasing more and more............................
Grace is abounding more and more..............
When the gospel is preached all over the World though in power and great finical support the end comes. It's over................
Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
It's not that the sinner does not have a choice, it's that they rejected and God will remove all the sinners off the planet just like the days of Noah.
When the sun goes out, the earth shakes, who is left alive after the trumpets and vials will hide where they can. The stars will be ripped from the heavens and mens hearts shall fail them. Because after that event, there is 1/2 hour of darkness and complete silence. Time to set the stage for the Lord to come and put a end to those that did not accept Jesus as Lord.
Who said Rapture was not in the Bible?
I am glad I did not take the time to look up who said that, edited by reba [MENTION=7377]Brother Mike[/MENTION] no need to use that tone
harpazō.......................... Caught up.
Jerome who wrote in Latin, a bible far older than the KJV wrote.
1Th 4:17 deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur cum illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cum Domino erimus
rapiemur where we get the English Word Rapture.................
first-person plural future passive indicative of rapiō
"we shall be snatched, we shall be grabbed, we shall be carried off"
Not good enough to at least study... Just not good enough.
Mike.
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Rom_1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
Rom_10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
Col 1:4 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints,
Col 1:5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
Col 1:6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
Rom_10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
Col 1:4 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints,
Col 1:5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
Col 1:6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
His Kingdom will increase even beyond this age. The kingdom of God is within you.
We will not see the full manifestation of God's Kingdom impact this natural realm until Jesus Christ returns, and restores all things.
WE are to occupy till He comes.
The culmination of the evil and ungodly will continue and find its pinnacle in the Great Tribulation at the end of the age.
The earth will one Day, be as it is in heaven.
7 Of the increase of His government and peace There will be no end, Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom, To order it and establish it with judgment and justice From that time forward, even forever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this. Isaiah 9:7
The major shift will be when the stone that is cut out without hands, strikes the Image on the ten toes. Daniel 2.
JLB
Rev33
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Yep. Scripture infallibly claims that the Gospel had been preached throughout the WHOLE WORLD, to EVERY CREATURE UNDER HEAVEN by the Late 60's AD.
Rev33
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In what manner? How do you measure this perpetual "increase"? A few posts back you affirmed rebas assertion that it is measured by the continuing increase in number of Christians coming into the fold.
Now you state you believe that will one day cease, yet you still state the Kingdom continues to increase beyond that time? So again I will ask, by what standard are you citing this everlasting increase?