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For 40 days in the wilderness, Jesus was tempted by Satan. The "theme" behind the various temptations was essentially to achieve power (through exercising His miraculous abilities or taking over the political mechanisms) by avoiding the Cross. If we could imagine the unthinkable, this would have meant that Jesus became a political dictator who would rid the world of overt sin through the exercise of Law but still leave the root cause of wrongdoing (our alienation from God and "sin within") unchanged. The temptation returned in a milder for in the Garden on the night before His crucifixion when He prayed to the Father for "this cup " to be taken away "if it be possible". If the Father had another plan, that was the time to reveal it. But no revelation came. There was nothing to reveal. There was NO OTHER way for mankind to be saved except through the Cross! Jesus submitted to the Cross as the greatest act of love that has ever been and can ever be displayed. No Person ever suffered so much - not only the physical pain and the humiliation, but the separation from the Father of One who had always been at the heart of God; a separation caused by His taking on our sin and its punishment!
People who say that there are many ways to salvation should remember this. If another way was possible, would not the Father have revealed it to Jesus on that night and would not Jesus have taken it? Think about this. The Cross is truly central to our understanding of what Jesus did for us.
 
dafydd said:
For 40 days in the wilderness, Jesus was tempted by Satan. The "theme" behind the various temptations was essentially to achieve power (through exercising His miraculous abilities or taking over the political mechanisms) by avoiding the Cross. If we could imagine the unthinkable, this would have meant that Jesus became a political dictator who would rid the world of overt sin through the exercise of Law but still leave the root cause of wrongdoing (our alienation from God and "sin within") unchanged. The temptation returned in a milder for in the Garden on the night before His crucifixion when He prayed to the Father for "this cup " to be taken away "if it be possible". If the Father had another plan, that was the time to reveal it. But no revelation came. There was nothing to reveal. There was NO OTHER way for mankind to be saved except through the Cross! Jesus submitted to the Cross as the greatest act of love that has ever been and can ever be displayed. No Person ever suffered so much - not only the physical pain and the humiliation, but the separation from the Father of One who had always been at the heart of God; a separation caused by His taking on our sin and its punishment!
People who say that there are many ways to salvation should remember this. If another way was possible, would not the Father have revealed it to Jesus on that night and would not Jesus have taken it? Think about this. The Cross is truly central to our understanding of what Jesus did for us.
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You are correct.
 
dafydd said:
For 40 days in the wilderness, Jesus was tempted by Satan. The "theme" behind the various temptations was essentially to achieve power (through exercising His miraculous abilities or taking over the political mechanisms) by avoiding the Cross. If we could imagine the unthinkable, this would have meant that Jesus became a political dictator who would rid the world of overt sin through the exercise of Law but still leave the root cause of wrongdoing (our alienation from God and "sin within") unchanged. The temptation returned in a milder for in the Garden on the night before His crucifixion when He prayed to the Father for "this cup " to be taken away "if it be possible". If the Father had another plan, that was the time to reveal it. But no revelation came. There was nothing to reveal. There was NO OTHER way for mankind to be saved except through the Cross! Jesus submitted to the Cross as the greatest act of love that has ever been and can ever be displayed. No Person ever suffered so much - not only the physical pain and the humiliation, but the separation from the Father of One who had always been at the heart of God; a separation caused by His taking on our sin and its punishment!
People who say that there are many ways to salvation should remember this. If another way was possible, would not the Father have revealed it to Jesus on that night and would not Jesus have taken it? Think about this. The Cross is truly central to our understanding of what Jesus did for us.
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Do you believe that the Cross may also be a stumbling block?
 
ezrider said:
Do you believe that the Cross may also be a stumbling block?
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It was n the 1st centuary and still is today.
Have you not heard of dawkins accusation that it is cosmic child abuse?

Because it takes the effort away from us, all we do is recieve salvation, it will always be an offence to those who want to earn or deserve there salvation.

It is humbling to accept something one cannot earn or deserve and who today is willing to be humble?
 
Who Me said:
It was n the 1st centuary and still is today.
Have you not heard of dawkins accusation that it is cosmic child abuse?

Because it takes the effort away from us, all we do is recieve salvation, it will always be an offence to those who want to earn or deserve there salvation.

It is humbling to accept something one cannot earn or deserve and who today is willing to be humble?
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Who is willing to remain humble after receiving salvation.
 
JLB said:
Then why did you vote undecided in the poll that asks…


Do you believe Jesus Christ is the only way to God?​

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I wasn't aware I had voted that way.
And I could not find a thread by that name to check.
 
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I wasn't aware I had voted that way.
And I could not find a thread by that name to check.
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Thank goodness. I was beginning to worry about you.


Please go back and change it.



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Who Me said:
It was n the 1st centuary and still is today.
Have you not heard of dawkins accusation that it is cosmic child abuse?

Because it takes the effort away from us, all we do is recieve salvation, it will always be an offence to those who want to earn or deserve there salvation.

It is humbling to accept something one cannot earn or deserve and who today is willing to be humble?
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That's not what Dawkins means by cosmic child abuse,,,however I agree with you otherwise.

The humbling part reminds me of the wash of the feet when Peter did not want his feet washed.
 
Who Me said:
Who has any reason not to be humble after being saved?
What is there to be proud of? Our good deeds, our mighty acts are nothing but what we put in the toilet.
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That is true. However, pride can pop up in a variety of ways, including:

"I'm going to heaven and YOU'RE NOT!"
"My group has the RIGHT DOCTRINE."
"We don't wear makeup, jewelry, drink alcohol, cuss, or miss a single service when the church doors are open."

The list could go on and on and .....
 
D-D-W said:
That is true. However, pride can pop up in a variety of ways, including:

"I'm going to heaven and YOU'RE NOT!"
"My group has the RIGHT DOCTRINE."
"We don't wear makeup, jewelry, drink alcohol, cuss, or miss a single service when the church doors are open."

The list could go on and on and .....
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Emotional reality.

I have been shaken up through grief, and am back again in one piece.
It makes you begin to question "Who am I and where and on what do I stand?"
We think our positions make sense and we have some strength is which to judge aright.

But who declares His people and calls His own to His will?
It is always hard to put ones trust in another and to wait for their call.

Jesus did. He awaited the Fathers testimony. When Jesus as baptised. When Jesus was transfigured.
He could have taken what was His, yet he waited for the Father to declare it, which is why the apostles wrote about this.

The term right, has the implication of wrong on its flip side. The term my heart sings and declares my love of Jesus and His work in my life, is the testimony Jesus calls us to declare. Each has to work this out with Him, and in the end each will see the fruit of their walk.

We trip up over who we are, while we believe we have grasped so much and barely can walk a few steps.
A road of a million steps, a few hundred is almost none at all, yet better than 1 or 2.
But our pride from the world declares I have so much more than you, so I can put you in your place.

But the more we see and know, the more we see we neither see or know aright, and barely grasp His love and ways.
Jesus and His walk, the proof of maturity and perspective, was shown in His response to satan.
Slow but fast. Each lesson learnt deep, so when needed is appropriate and in its place.

God bless you
 
Who Me said:
Who has any reason not to be humble after being saved?
What is there to be proud of? Our good deeds, our mighty acts are nothing but what we put in the toilet.
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Your last sentence is not correct.
JESUS instructed us to do many good deeds.
I'll send you a list of verses - IF that's even necessary.
God REQUIRES us to do good deeds.
 
Who Me said:
I don't dispute that, the point I am trying to make is that our doing good deeds is an act of obedience, the motive is love.
We are not doing them to gain a reward.
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I understand and agree.
I do, however, believe our good deeds are loved by God and are not refuse,,,you used an even stronger term.
John 5:28
 
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