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Is rock music demonic?

SailorWriter

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The reason I ask this because when I watched a video that says that "Christian" rock is not possible because of the culture, origins, etc., and that made me think if it is okay to listen to it because the one I listen to isn't full on blaspheming against God, like Crush 40's music, Striving High and Low, etc. So, is rock music inheritly sinful or okay as long the lyrics is not blasphemous?
 
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Riven said:
I believe the story of Cain and Abel shows us the truth of who we are. We are evil creatures that can justify any heinous action, even genocide, within five minutes. Our human emotions are more than enough to make us do unspeakable things. We don't need music or any other outside stmuli to influence us one way or another.
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Isn't that what you are doing here? After I bacame a Christian and began walking with the Lord I have learned that we have three enemies here. Ourselves because the heart is wicked beyond measure, The enemy and all of his demonic spirits, and the evil of the world.

You only seem to be aknowledging the one enemy, ourselves.
The world aint got nothing to do with it!
It was just the boy all alone. You're being short sighted again.

Maybe the boy did have it in him to be a killer? Maybe he had had murderous thoughts? But the night before he committed the murders, could you venture a guess was he was listening to Black Sabbath or some old timey Gospel Hymns...and that is what triggered it?

Did he have Jesus posters up all over his room, or Black Sabbath? The worldly music had an effect upon that boy. Did he attend church the previous sunday? Doubt it. Jesus tells us to come out of the world. I wonder why He says that?
 
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jasonc said:
Roth song" hot for teacher "

I may be going to hell but I'm doing quite well.
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Eddie and Alex are credited as the primary writers of that song. :)

Trust me, I'm not saying Roth was an innocent by any means, just that he did not have creative control. The Van Halens did. Eddie had so much control that he wrote Michael Anthony out of royalty credits at one point. It was Eddie's band start to finish, but we're getting off point.
 
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jasonc said:
How is it that country music get a pass?
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jasonc said:
www.christianitytoday.com

Nashville: The Devil in Country Music? - Christianity Today

Country music is being overrun with the same evils that rock ’n’ roll has fallen prey to, according to an alliance of Nashville pastors.Evangelist and former pastor Ray Hughes says there has been a demonic strongman evoking evil and lust in the country music capital of the world. Supporters of...
www.christianitytoday.com www.christianitytoday.com
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I agree, only the subject of this thread is Rock music. Doh! Lol.

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Hidden In Him said:
I agree, only the subject of this thread is Rock music. Doh! Lol.

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My point is Any medium is used by Satan

Most of the internet is porn sites.

Therefore the internet is demonic .

Sure secular music is gonna have issues .so is movies ,tv shows . I'm not saying they won't but no one thing won't and unless you are called away ,you decide .there are some bad and out there stuff

I'm also one who has no TV and hasn't watched tv much since 2009.
 
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Riven said:
Imagine how Ozzy felt after being blamed for those murders. Imagine how Marilyn Manson felt after being blamed for Columbine.
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Can't speak for Ozzie, but I believe Manson posted after the massacre, "Long overdue," which was immediately taken down after it started getting attention.
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It's disgusting and Christians should be better than that since we read scripture.
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Out of curiosity, why do you seem to be defending Satanists over Christians, Riven?
 
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Edward said:
Isn't that what you are doing here? After I bacame a Christian and began walking with the Lord I have learned that we have three enemies here. Ourselves because the heart is wicked beyond measure, The enemy and all of his demonic spirits, and the evil of the world.

You only seem to be aknowledging the one enemy, ourselves.
The world aint got nothing to do with it!
It was just the boy all alone. You're being short sighted again.

Maybe the boy did have it in him to be a killer? Maybe he had had murderous thoughts? But the night before he committed the murders, could you venture a guess was he was listening to Black Sabbath or some old timey Gospel Hymns...and that is what triggered it?

Did he have Jesus posters up all over his room, or Black Sabbath? The worldly music had an effect upon that boy. Did he attend church the previous sunday? Doubt it. Jesus tells us to come out of the world. I wonder why He says that?
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If he were listening to gospel music the night before the murders, would you assume his actions were influenced by the gospel music or some other outside variable? It seems to me like you're personally biased against a certain kind of music.

I believe the simplest explanation is almost always the right one. We can say the devil did it, the music, that video game did it, etc. But that then ignores things like depression or some other metal illness that really does take a toll on someone's mental wellbeing.

I listen to Slayer. I also listen to Eric Clapton. If I lost it and decided to hurt somebody, nobody would be in a rush to blame Clapton. But they'd be falling over themselves to blame Slayer because it's aggressive and they're afraid of it.

Using that kind of music as a way to release natural male aggression I believe is actually cathartic. It is when a man is forced to deny what he is that makes him more likely to hurt someone. It is a serious problem in western society today where men are constantly told over and over again that they must be ashamed of what they are and they must be more in touch with their 'feelings'.

So yes, perhaps you are correct about the world being a variable and me being shortsighted.
 
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Hidden In Him said:
Can't speak for Ozzie, but I believe Manson posted after the massacre, "Long overdue," which was immediately taken down after it started getting attention.


Out of curiosity, why do you seem to be defending Satanists over Christians, Riven?
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I can't say if Manson evert said this. It's the first time I've ever heard of it.

I'm not defending Satanists. I don't think they are Satanists. They are playing characters in their music. It's a persona that they use to sell their products. For example, the singer of Slayer is a Roman Catholic outside of the band.

One must be able to separate the art from the artist, I think.
 
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Hidden In Him said:
I doubt most Catholics would approve of his choice of income, Lol.
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You're probably right. I must admit, it's fascinating to watch him sing 'God hates us all' to then sitting down in an interview and saying "God is love, He doesn't hate."

Maybe it's a little hypocritical. And what does that make me for listening to it? I honestly could never get into Christian metal. I tried, but it just didn't have the same vibe.
 
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Riven said:
I can't say if Manson evert said this. It's the first time I've ever heard of it.

I'm not defending Satanists. I don't think they are Satanists. They are playing characters in their music. It's a persona that they use to sell their products. For example, the singer of Slayer is a Roman Catholic outside of the band.

One must be able to separate the art from the artist, I think.
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Riven said:
If he were listening to gospel music the night before the murders, would you assume his actions were influenced by the gospel music or some other outside variable? It seems to me like you're personally biased against a certain kind of music.

I believe the simplest explanation is almost always the right one. We can say the devil did it, the music, that video game did it, etc. But that then ignores things like depression or some other metal illness that really does take a toll on someone's mental wellbeing.

I listen to Slayer. I also listen to Eric Clapton. If I lost it and decided to hurt somebody, nobody would be in a rush to blame Clapton. But they'd be falling over themselves to blame Slayer because it's aggressive and they're afraid of it.

Using that kind of music as a way to release natural male aggression I believe is actually cathartic. It is when a man is forced to deny what he is that makes him more likely to hurt someone. It is a serious problem in western society today where men are constantly told over and over again that they must be ashamed of what they are and they must be more in touch with their 'feelings'.

So yes, perhaps you are correct about the world being a variable and me being shortsighted.
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Gun ownership and or MMA
Helps with that .yet no one post those as demonic .though the gun debate rages .

I fully get your point as I know slayer and listen to ozzy and van Halen .

I know Megadeth and iron maiden the later uses christian based poetry often see rhyme of the ancient mariner .
 
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jasonc said:
Gun ownership and or MMA
Helps with that .yet no one post those as demonic .though the gun debate rages .

I fully get your point as I know slayer and listen to ozzy and van Halen .

I know Megadeth and iron maiden the later uses christian based poetry often see rhyme of the ancient mariner .
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Yes, that's a good point. I've never seen anyone accuse a punching bag of being demonic either. Yet it is a good stress release. And it's good to have some kind of stress release if you're a guy.

We should strive for peace in our lives by being closer to God, but we also have testosterone. So listen to some heavy metal, lift heavy things, hit the bag, and you'll feel better. Lol.

I do wonder sometimes how Jesus dealt with being a man. Did he not feel anger at times? Did he supress it because he was on a mission? I envy the followers that were with him when he walked the earth. Imagine being able to ask God himself a question and have him answer you right then and there.
 
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Hidden In Him said:
This was not the only time Dio would be associated with an up and coming Christian artist who then suddenly disappeared from the music scene, but I will save that for another post.
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To follow up on this, in my teenage years one of the bands I listened to was Kansas, whose primary writer was guitarist Kerry Livgren. Livgren wrote the song Carry On Thy Wayward Son, which proved to be prophetic, as around the time I graduated High School I heard he had accepted Jesus Christ as his personal Savior. He studied all forms of philosophy and religion but had still not found peace in his heart yet, but the words, "There'll be peace when you are done" were fulfilled when he got born again.

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After Livgren got saved, he quit Kansas and started a Christian Band called A.D. Because he was already well accomplished as a musician and studio recording artist, it naturally translated into a couple of quality albums, and their reputation was growing. But he made the fatal mistake - for some unfathomable reason - of agreeing to collaborate on a project with Ronnie James Dio of Black Sabbath, maybe in hopes of potentially bringing him to Christ. This was likely his undoing for the same reasons as it was for Kings X. Livgren was unaware of what Dio really was, as evidenced by the fact that he tried defending the man in an interview saying, "Ronnie is not a Satanist," which proved to be patently false. And it was not long after this that all recording projects for the band A.D. stopped, and he quietly slipped into the history. He would resurface a few times here and there, but never made any impact on society like he might have done.

Now, what suggests Dio was behind it? About a year later Dio published Holy Diver, his first solo album. The cover was of a Catholic priest in chains being cast into the sea by a demonic figure representing Dio himself, which means "god" in Latin. The priest likely represented Livgren here, with the meaning of the image being that they had used spells on him to eliminate him from the music scene. Holy Diver was a song about someone not suspecting what was happening to him.


I doubt Kerry Livgren knew what the symbolism meant or that it was actually about him, but Satanists in the know certainly would have. What's also interesting is that about 8 months previous, Van Halen published the album Diver Down, which secretly was communicating the same thing. The Satanists knew who Livgren was, perceived Him as a spiritual threat, and used witchcraft to put an end to a music ministry that might have potentially effected mainstream America for the Lord Jesus Christ.


I guess that's about all I wanna discuss on that subject for now, the point being that all the talk of "Satanic Panic" is actually poorly informed, IMO. There was good reason to fear Satanism back then, and still is today. They control more of the music industry now than ever before.

Until next time, blessings in Christ,
Hidden In Him
 
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Oh!

And I forgot Stryper, who eventually succumbed as well, but not before saving people like myself out of the depths of a counter-culture we thought belonged only to the Devil. And it doesn't take too many soldiers in Christ to put a sword through Satan's head in ways that will make him pay for his mistakes.

Blessings in Christ,
- H


Long ago, there was a man who came
Came and died for you
You, you say you don't want to know
But I've got to tell you the truth

God, I will follow You because You died for me
Gave to me Your life to set me free
Anyone who asks shall receive
Jesus in your heart
It's time for you to start
Giving God all the glory, yeah

More than a man, God Almighty
He created you
He's the One, the One who rules the land
He is the One I choose

God, I will follow You because You died for me
Gave to me Your life to set me free
Anyone who asks shall receive
Jesus in your heart
It's time for you to start
Giving God

All of the glory today
No matter what some people say
All of your faith
And your life will start to change

God, I will follow You because You died for me
Gave to me Your life to set me free
Anyone who asks shall receive
Jesus in your heart
It's time for you to start
Giving God all the glory, yeah-yeah
Jesus in your heart
It's time for you to start
Giving God all the glory

Songwriters: Michael H Sweet
 
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Hidden In Him said:
To follow up on this, in my teenage years one of the bands I listened to was Kansas, whose primary writer was guitarist Kerry Livgren. Livgren wrote the song Carry On Thy Wayward Son, which proved to be prophetic, as around the time I graduated High School I heard he had accepted Jesus Christ as his personal Savior. He studied all forms of philosophy and religion but had still not found peace in his heart yet, but the words, "There'll be peace when you are done" were fulfilled when he got born again.

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After Livgren got saved, he quit Kansas and started a Christian Band called A.D. Because he was already well accomplished as a musician and studio recording artist, it naturally translated into a couple of quality albums, and their reputation was growing. But he made the fatal mistake - for some unfathomable reason - of agreeing to collaborate on a project with Ronnie James Dio of Black Sabbath, maybe in hopes of potentially bringing him to Christ. This was likely his undoing for the same reasons as it was for Kings X. Livgren was unaware of what Dio really was, as evidenced by the fact that he tried defending the man in an interview saying, "Ronnie is not a Satanist," which proved to be patently false. And it was not long after this that all recording projects for the band A.D. stopped, and he quietly slipped into the history. He would resurface a few times here and there, but never made any impact on society like he might have done.

Now, what suggests Dio was behind it? About a year later Dio published Holy Diver, his first solo album. The cover was of a Catholic priest in chains being cast into the sea by a demonic figure representing Dio himself, which means "god" in Latin. The priest likely represented Livgren here, with the meaning of the image being that they had used spells on him to eliminate him from the music scene. Holy Diver was a song about someone not suspecting what was happening to him.


I doubt Kerry Livgren knew what the symbolism meant or that it was actually about him, but Satanists in the know certainly would have. What's also interesting is that about 8 months previous, Van Halen published the album Diver Down, which secretly was communicating the same thing. The Satanists knew who Livgren was, perceived Him as a spiritual threat, and used witchcraft to put an end to a music ministry that might have potentially effected mainstream America for the Lord Jesus Christ.


I guess that's about all I wanna discuss on that subject for now, the point being that all the talk of "Satanic Panic" is actually poorly informed, IMO. There was good reason to fear Satanism back then, and still is today. They control more of the music industry now than ever before.

Until next time, blessings in Christ,
Hidden In Him
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But was it really Dio's fault? Maybe the albums didn't sell enough. Maybe the members of the band just wanted to move on to other projects. It's happened to me before. I get bored and then move onto another project and sometimes revist the old one at a later time. Sometimes I never go back.

Look at Rick Moranis. He just up and quit acting one day to raise a family and then he realized he didn't miss acting and stayed retired.

I think the supernatural explanation should be reserved for when we exhaust all other available natural explanations for things.
 
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This discussion is getting too far away from the intent of this forum. SailorWriter has started a new discussion in the Lounge for continuing this conversation. Please continue there so this thread can get back on track. Thank you.
 
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