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    Vessels of Destruction - Take 2

    Well, Drew, looks like this discussion has bogged down. I'm signing off for this thread. See ya round!
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    Vessels of Destruction - Take 2

    Wow. Smaller, the lump of clay represents God's creative ability. In Genesis it talks about God speaking things into existence. It's the same idea, that God can take any human and make him how He wants. It has nothing to do with devils and Satan. You're reading that into the text. Where...
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    Predestination

    Vince, I don't think that's correct. For example, in Ephesians 1 Paul is talking to a world that already believes in predestination. The Jews believed that they were predestined to be God's sons, His family, and they believed that the Gentiles were just left out in the cold. Too bad, so sad...
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    Predestination

    Ha ha, nice try. It's not pre-ordained. This passage is only talking about the condemnation being written about, not that they are predestined to it. Check out the NIV translation, it's a bit more modern.
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    Vessels of Destruction - Take 2

    Well, I would certainly hope the Jew-bashing reference wasn't to me... And to your points, I've read the Bible a lot and I wouldn't categorize it as that Devils and Satan are on nearly every page. Just considering that point you come off looking imbalanced. And no reasonable exegesis of...
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    Predestination

    In response to the very short OP, Answer 1: Predestination is a word that means foreordained. (Better) Answer 2: Predestination is the theological teaching held by many to mean that God has, from before the beginning of time, predestined some men to eternal glory and predestined (or...
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    Vessels of Destruction - Take 2

    Smaller, After reading your posts I can tell you strongly believe what you're asserting, that all of God's word applies to all believers. But do you think the Jews feel that way? The Jews today but even more importantly, the Jews at Jesus' and Paul's time?
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    Vessels of Destruction - Take 2

    Hey Drew, As usual you've done a thorough job with the text. I take a little different view on the vessels of wrath bit in Romans 9. Like you've pointed out, the vessels of wrath are inarguably a reference to Israel here. And it follows the same likening of Pharoah to the Jews a few verse...
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    God's Election

    Drew, looking forward to your treatment of the Esau/Jacob story as I have recently been studying this one also and have seen so many interesting nuances in it!
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    God's Election

    Calvinists (and Arminians for that matter) forever couch the Gospel as either by God alone or by man alone. And as such it should only be seen as by God alone. But what has been missed is that salvation is not a one-party affair, either way. Salvation is partly God’s doing because He...
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    God's Election

    Drew handled this one above. OT quoting aside, you don’t see how Paul was teaching something new? The Christ came to the Earth. The Jews missed it. This was news. Romans 9 is part of the whole letter to the Romans, where Paul is explaining that Gentiles are now included into...
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    Can a person accept Christ as their saviour?

    Among the other things which you have said that I completely disagree with, I thought it best to just stick to a couple. Free will is not what carries a soul to Heaven. However, free will CAN allow someone to realize how sinful they are, humble themselves, believe in God and repent. If one...
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    Can a person accept Christ as their saviour?

    I’m neither an Arminian nor a Calvinist and the reason why is because both of those teachings believe that when they read Ephesians 1 and Romans 8 and 9 they think Paul is teaching only some are chosen to eternal life, and some are left to eternal death. They just disagree on how this...
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    God's Election

    Wow, mondar, not trying to be inflammatory here but you really go to great lengths to ignore simple parts of the epistle to the Romans. Jews and Gentiles. That's what Paul says over and over. Not those of the Jews and those of the Gentiles that are in faith. If such a simple concept is lost...
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    Can a person accept Christ as their saviour?

    Amen! Oh, and by the way, does your signature reference a certain ventrilouquist's hysterical persian puppet??? "Silence! I kiiiiillllll you!" rofl
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    God's Election

    I would like to answer that question. Paul’s epistle to the Romans is certainly talking about people-groups from the very beginning. All throughout Romans, and Galatians, and Ephesians Paul is teaching this new revelation, this major new teaching that all along, God has NOT left one...
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    Matthew 25:31-46 and the doctrine of atonement

    Mutzrein, when Paul talks about not being saved by works, as in Eph2:8.9 "8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faithâ€â€and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God 9not by works, so that no one can boast." he clearly contrasts that to faith. (Thanks to westtexas...
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    Matthew 25:31-46 and the doctrine of atonement

    Then you're showing a lack of reading comprehension combined with a prejudice to read your own theology into the text.
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    Matthew 25:31-46 and the doctrine of atonement

    Then we're in agreement, keep up the good work!
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    Matthew 25:31-46 and the doctrine of atonement

    Are you serious? You can read into this text that even if the goats were doing the kind acts they would not be doing them out of love and therefore not out of faith and therefore they really could never become sheep at all?!?!? These passages DO make the connection between inheritance and...
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