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    Free will or no free will?

    Mark, first let me first apologize because I was very snotty at the end there, and for that I am truly sorry. Second, I do very much have the fear of God, I just don't believe we have the same God.
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    Free will or no free will?

    Paidion, GREAT POST! And it wasn't until Augustine came along that we started to go awry. It's kind of funny how for hundreds of years before Jesus the Jews thaought they were chosen for salvation, and the Gentiles just weren't, period. Then Jesus came along and AHA! THe Apostles got it that...
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    Free will or no free will?

    Then by extension, when God made Hitler He made the torture and death of millions of Jews. All I can say Mark is that I don't think your God is my God. And I am happy for it.
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    Free will or no free will?

    Rick, you're kind of mixing concepts here. And St. Francis' post directly above yours was spot on. Why do we preach repentance if it's going to happen anyway? Because it's not going to just "happen anyway." And for those who aren't seeking God, or maybe more correctly aren't seeking a...
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    Free will or no free will?

    I'd like to jump in the middle of this one First of all, I for one am not convinced that you are being led by the Spirit . But besides that Mark, you have fallen prey to some illogical conclusions and have posted them here once or twice. I think you said something to the effect that what if...
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    Free will or no free will?

    Stranger, how is it that you beleive that to have free will man must be independent from God? This seems like a simple but fundemental misunderstanding of what free will is... I'll follow up to your reply.
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    Ephesians and Pre-Destination

    Yes! Perfect! I'm glad you get it! It's not that Paul was saying to the faithful saints, no, he was saying to Jews and also Gentiles. God Bless,
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    Free will or no free will?

    Most choices we make are not determined by influences either internal or external. They are influenced. I chose to respond to your post. There was nothing compelling me to do so. I have fostered and nurtured an interest in theological debate, so I have chosen to frequent this and other...
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    Ephesians and Pre-Destination

    Hey stranger, First I would agree that Eph 1 and Rom 8 are indeed similar texts by Paul. So the answers to your questions above would be the same if the answers were asked of Rom 8 as well. But I don't think the answers are what you think they are because the beginning of Eph is not an...
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    Free will or no free will?

    So, Mr. Jenke, you believe man has the power of choice, but not free will? You say that to you free will means "a self-determinate sovereignty." But what if it only means the ability of 'choice' to the rest of us? Kind of negates the rest of your argument. But even if one were to go on...
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    Free will or no free will?

    Mark, with some of the things you say, I really doon't think I should be debating you. If this really is your idea of love, if this is how you would describe it... First of all God does not love those who listen to him if what you mean by that statement is that it is a prerequisite for man to...
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    Free will or no free will?

    75 pages? You're amazed about 75 pages? Dude, this has been going on for like 1600 years...
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    Free will or no free will?

    Mark, have you ever been married? Love is a daily choice. You've gotta know this. If you believe that to love God, God must first pour His love into you, and He only does that to some and not to all, and that the only possible reaction to all this is for the person to love God back, then that...
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    Ephesians and Pre-Destination

    Oh, and I forgot to highlight that yes, Romans 9 is exactly about God's right to do exactly as He pleases in His plan of salvation. Earlier I said in my first, long winded post that Paul had to overcome objections to the teaching of God's mystery revealed and this is one of those prime spots...
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    Ephesians and Pre-Destination

    Hi Pogo, greatly looking forward to hearing your thoughts!
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    Ephesians and Pre-Destination

    Hi Drew, I'm glad you saw this post as it was an older thread. I have beleived exactly what you believe about the Romans passages, especially the Potter analogy for a few years now. And that correct understanding of Romans coupled with this contra-calvinist/contra-arminian understanding of...
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    Free will or no free will?

    To get back to the OP Heidi, this could have all been solved on the first page. The two options you present are not polar opposites, there exists other options you have not listed, icluding the correct one imho. 3) or 2a?) We are all born with capabilities, the capability to love, to hate...
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    Ephesians and Pre-Destination

    Drew and Unred, Greetings! You may remember (or not) that I pm'd you about a year ago that I had wanted to discuss with you the first chapter of Ephesians. I had found that both of you had views that largely mirrored my own and I wanted to share with you both a remarkable view on Ephesians...
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    Protestantism....

    Oh, in that case. Well, I am an ex-Catholic, so, would it have been a protest against the absolutions? Ablutions? I forget what they were called exactly, where one could pay a monetary fee for a special favor from the church and one's sins would be absolved.
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    Protestantism....

    Was it in England around the time of the Westminster confession? I seem to remember something about that...
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