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    Bible Study What subject did Jesus teach on more than hell, money, salvation or repentence

    Thisnumberisdisconnected.... Wow! I think you're a little wrapped around the axle... Again, you misunderstand what I am saying. I'm not replacing anything. I am not saying the kingdom is it and Jesus is nothing. I think your Bible, in the three texts I cited, uses the word "OF", a preposition...
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    The Pre Tribulation Rapture: Fact or Fiction?

    Reba, My word "gerrymandering" is not a rude term. It is a political term describes the convenient redistricting of people in order to serve a purpose for a party... It applies to our discussion in that theologians do the same thing... The conveniently play upon words and concepts people do...
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    The Pre Tribulation Rapture: Fact or Fiction?

    Agape's post of Walvoord and Chafer, is pure theological gerrymandering. Yes the early church thought that Christ's return was eminent... And many were put off by the fact that it didn't happen... But guess what? They had their eyes on something it should not have been on... They interpreted...
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    Bible Study What subject did Jesus teach on more than hell, money, salvation or repentence

    Do I now?! I always love when people take one little thing, they've misunderstood, and then stretch it to cover everything about what you've NOT sad. Thisnumbersdisconnected, Isn't the gospel OF the Kingdom of God? I do think that is what the NT tells us... Are they the same? I don't think I...
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    The Pre Tribulation Rapture: Fact or Fiction?

    Grappler, I didn't take you are as a Pre-trib Rapturist... Edited Your doing great!
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    Bible Study What subject did Jesus teach on more than hell, money, salvation or repentence

    thisnumbersdisconnected, The Kingdom of God (or Heaven) is as you say... But, there is a detail which many over look. Check out these references: Mk 1:14; Mt 4:23; 9:35. Here we have a phrase combining "the gospel" with "the Kingdom of God." In fact, the correct flow is the gospel OF the...
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    The Pre Tribulation Rapture: Fact or Fiction?

    Grappler, I am not a preterist, amillennialist, post-millennialist or obviously a pre-tribber... If God judged Israel and tested people throughout history, why wouldn't He do so in the final hour? If God doesn't purify "the church" of the west He will have to apologize to many for unfair...
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    The Pre Tribulation Rapture: Fact or Fiction?

    Edward, unfortunately, The "Latin version" is a translation, not a copy of inspired text... Origen didn't teach rapture, Augustine, and even heretic didn't teach rapture... I am more sporting than my compadre, Grappler. This is no smack against him, but to say that I could be wrong, which is...
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    The Pre Tribulation Rapture: Fact or Fiction?

    Grappler, I totally agree with your statement, which Eugene disses. Rapture has NO historical continuum from the early church. And as you mention, it arose during a Zionist manipulated period... Before Darby and Scoffield, you cannot find any school of thought which includes this ideal...
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    Bible Study What subject did Jesus teach on more than hell, money, salvation or repentence

    YosefHayim, While the three subjects you mention do have significant mentions they do not rank even close to mentions the Kingdom of God.
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    To Preach or Not To Preach

    farouk, I totally agree with you. So how is the "pastor" as it has become to be, and "the sermon" a help to what you've said? And how do you know that pluralistic leadership, where "the pastor" is just one of many mature believers operating in a gifting, isn't better? And how do you know if a...
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    To Preach or Not To Preach

    P31W, I wil no longer respond your posts, even if they are on a thread I started. I cannot suffer a person that won't dialog equitably: #39.
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    Bible Study What subject did Jesus teach on more than hell, money, salvation or repentence

    thisnumbersdisconnected, I am not here to argue theology or have to do so because of thinking I have to stand on a piece of it. Neither am I here to attack or marginalize other's theology. I am sorry your apparent view seems disrespected by my comments. This subject is hard for folks to deal...
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    Bible Study What subject did Jesus teach on more than hell, money, salvation or repentence

    thisnumbersdisconnected, In my experience in the CMA and with dispensational fundamentalists, any focus on the KOG places the vast majority of concentration on the kingdom of the hereafter. I would like you to substantiate what you are saying, because it run counter to my experience and exposure...
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    Bible Study What subject did Jesus teach on more than hell, money, salvation or repentence

    John 8:32, I think if you check the number of mentions money receives and that of the kingdom of God, you will find that the KOG ought weighs most subjects in the NT, and certainly the most popular subjects in "church" today. In many cases, money was was allegorically used to talk about the KOG...
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    To Preach or Not To Preach

    I agree with Reba's post. I am not against institutional church as much as I am about the idea that it is the only legitimate way, when in fact much decries that notion. I don't think folks needing or wanting it as an acceptable form is the way we should consider its practicalness or its ability...
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    To Preach or Not To Preach

    P31W, I don't know where you get your information form but it is wrong again... Forget any connection between Frank Viola and House2House, they are two unrelated and independent entities that converge SOMETIMES. I know several house fellowships that have been in function in excess of 10 years...
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    The Pre Tribulation Rapture: Fact or Fiction?

    We should consider the fact that Rapture, pre trib or mid-trib, has NO historical path from the time of the closing of the New Testament up until modern times (Scoffield/Darby). That ought to be a huge issue in even discussing the matter. If we are so willing to toss other modern thinkers who...
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    To Preach or Not To Preach

    Reba, Did I understand that you're not pleased with Mumford being quoted?
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    To Preach or Not To Preach

    Deborah13, Frank Viola and most associated with him could careless about Sarah Palin, Rick Perry and the rest... Our understanding transcends all that political stuff.
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