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    Is Baptism necessary for Salvation?

    Remember context. When did this happen? Before anyone could be baptized with the Holy Spirit. To be one with Jesus before the cross doesn't get you saved. It's impossible. Kept, promises owed, but not saved. OT water baptism is simply publicly identifying with that person and their teachings. We...
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    Is Baptism necessary for Salvation?

    The baptism that saves is the result of faith, not the cause. We went over this.
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    Victimhood: The Devils Crack

    Thanks. It's hard to keep up with the political slang, Street talk today, dictionary tomorrow. word! he he.
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    Is Baptism necessary for Salvation?

    Read it like this 16 And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.' According to those read and write the original languages, this is the correct way to read this verse. "Wash away your sins" is connected to "calling on the...
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    Is Baptism necessary for Salvation?

    Keep in mind the context. In verse 18 of that same chapter, no mention is made of baptism with regards to salvation. 18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. We are...
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    Is Baptism necessary for Salvation?

    Even if it was speaking of water baptism, it does not prove water baptism saves. It's just part of the process of new believers to publicly claim their faith. I would sight the same verse as proof of the opposite. It only says one must not believe to be condemned. Why doesn't it say 'one who...
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    Is Baptism necessary for Salvation?

    I do think that it is significant that actual names are used. No other parable has ever done this. Don't want to take this thread there, but it is part of the bigger context of this discussion, that is "hades", had the "paradise" side, otherwise known as "Abraham's bosom" and the holding cell...
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    Is Baptism necessary for Salvation?

    Big distinction, I think. Mostly just trying to clarify context when I can. Lazaras and the rich man is not a parable, it literally happened. (like that) :biggrin2 Dave
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    Is Baptism necessary for Salvation?

    Hi Don. I believe what is happening in this thread is that some are putting the cart before the horse. It's important to to make the distinction that baptism, the baptism that saves, the "one baptism", The baptism with the Holy Spirit, are all the same, and, is the result of a saving faith...
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    Victimhood: The Devils Crack

    Hey, T, did he mean "equality", or "equity"? I've been told and believe it, to never under estimate the damage that redefining word can do. It's very powerful. Dave
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    Victimhood: The Devils Crack

    Thanks carry, I liken us today to be like a young child standing on a chair, holding a cookie in our hand, trying to convince our parent that we were only trying to put the cookie back in the jar. If you told a young child that if they run into a wall, rainbows will shoot out of their ears...
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    Is Baptism necessary for Salvation?

    BTW, 'Hades' is just a Greek word that means 'realm of the spirits'. Since the NT was translated into Greek, it was the best translation. The idea comes from the OT 'Shoel' . Not to associated with the Indian Hades. It has nothing to do with that. Also, the KJV many times wrongly translated a...
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    Is Baptism necessary for Salvation?

    Hi Don At first, because you didn't use a capitol "s", by "spirit" did you mean our spirit? If that's what you meant, then yes, we are spiritually resurrected when we are born again, the physical resurrection come later. But by you using the word "by", I think that you meant the Holy Spirit...
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    Victimhood: The Devils Crack

    tdidymas. Yeah, they are as much fascists, as they are communist, or marxists, or socialist. I call them a frankenstien of "isms". They use it all. They've even trained people to think that fascism is the opposite of communism, when, in fact, fascism if a very liberal ideology. This...
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    Is Baptism necessary for Salvation?

    I'm getting into this discussion late, and only having time to skim the thread. I just wanted to point out that baptism, by definition, is an action. Water is not part of the definition of "baptism". It simply means to place into, to immerse into, or the last definition, to dip into. If you...
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    A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.

    Matthew 7:18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. NKJV I've always attributed this James passage to be speaking about God's perfect standards, His justice, His...
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    Victimhood: The Devils Crack

    Our flesh nature craves victimhood because it uses it as an excuse to sin. I've seen 'victimhood' used to manipulate people. Even brainwash then. The world, where ever it is selling anything, almost always uses victimhood to sell it. Hollywood, the music industry, even politicians spoon feed it...
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    Be still my soul

    [youtube:2d13zq67]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9zHn4QSH-8[/youtube:2d13zq67] "Be Still My Soul" is a popular revival hymn written by Katharine von Schlegel (1697-c.1768) and translated into English by Jane L. Borthwick (1813-1897). The music was composed by Jean Sibelius, from his music...
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    The All New "Great Quotes" Thread!

    "If you are willing to settle with negotiating for peace, while at the same time innocent men, women and children are being oppressed, raped, and murdered, then the only peace you are negotiating is your own." ~Me~
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    Justified By What's Been Done For Us - Alistair Begg

    http://www.monergism.com/mp3/2010/05/ju ... ne_f_1.php
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