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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    Absolutely. I agree this is the case in all believers, and I have much more to add on how God communes with believers. But in the case of the unbeliever, how does the Holy Spirit commune with man's spirit before birthing it(John 3:6)? If anyway, the Holy Spirit can commune so, then what is the...
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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    I did respond to this in my earlier post. I even referred to the post preceding that, which dealt with the specifics. You declared it all pedantic. I'd have liked some discussion or arguments from your end before your final declaration. Anyway, what's more confusing is that you now reboot it -...
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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    Okay, we need to call a timeout and just try and understand exactly what it is the other person believes in, before discussing the truth of each belief. Firstly, what does "hear God's voice" refer to, according to you? Is it metaphorical for God's regenerative work, is it hearing physical sound...
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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    Yes, God did call to all flesh and all flesh resisted him without exception. Which is why we require an irresistible grace that would regenerate man in the flesh, to be born in the spirit with a new heart, after which he is able to discern the things of the Spirit(1Cor 2:14) and obey God. Every...
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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    Well, if indeed a blind eye has been turned to your pointing out the Scriptures that contradict one's beliefs - then yes, your claim is true. But do you really think that is the case here on this thread? We did begin discussing this - and I thought a proper conclusion to this point was reached...
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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    "comes" or "is given opportunity to come"? I am not that confident that sinful flesh would be charitable enough to cease its enmity against God while the non-elect person attempts to exercise his freewill - for which express purpose, the elect are caused to believe right?
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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    Given that we choose to sin on account of our sinful flesh(Rom 7:17), I've always had this question whenever I was taught that sin entered the world because Adam chose wrong - What sin dwelt in his flesh before this that made him choose to do wrong in the first place, for he was not deceived and...
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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    "Possible" in what sense? Are you asking if God has indeed extended an opportunity to all reprobate sinners, without exception, to believe and be saved - then, the answer is a resounding Yes. John 3:16. Or are you asking if the reprobate sinner in the flesh can make use of this above opportunity...
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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    Salvation : to be saved from death unto eternal life. Justification : To be rendered righteous. Regeneration : To be made anew - a new heart, a new spirit, a new birth. Case 1: God saves people through justification by faith in Christ - but as they are in the flesh, without making them a new...
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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    Okay, though my beliefs are different on these, we do agree upon there being this Difference between Pentecost and the indwelling of the Spirit. You'd made 2 points - 1. Using this verse(Eze 36:27) to apply to the order of salvation, the Holy Spirit is given last, not first. 2. Regeneration is...
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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    " First, human depravity must be emphasized as much as possible so that humans are not capable, even with supernatural, divine assistance, of cooperating with God’s grace in salvation. In other words, grace must be irresistible." Well, I don't know if I am a calvinist - I seem to believe some...
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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    I agree with this entire post. A difficult read for those who might not know where you're coming from. Extending this, when we talk about making a choice - will we not necessarily choose the option that we counsel will give us most pleasure/least pain according to our set of desires, to do, at...
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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    Our blaming others itself is on account of Sin in the flesh, isn't it? Besides, Rom 4:8 does proclaim the blessing in how God does not impute sin to us - but that's because He's imputed it to Christ and not because there is no sin at all to impute. And where Sin is, there must be blame - why...
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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    Yes, I'm aware of how the sides are stacked up. And by no means is this discussion meant to force anyone into picking sides. I'd be content with just bringing it to a point where all of us understand what the other person holds and why, understand the complexities behind that process and to...
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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    That would place the disciples as unregenerate until the Acts 2 pentecost - I'm not too comfortable with that implication. And those who believed in the name of Christ and were baptised in Acts 8:12 - I can't quite consider them unregenerate through Acts 8:14-15 until Acts 8:17. I would...
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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    Yes, you have identified the crux of the problem. Again, let's get some working definitions going... Causation : The relationship between a first event(cause) and a second event(effect) where the first event is a contributing factor to bringing about the second. Formal Cause: where the very...
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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    While discussing whether Regeneration precedes Faith or not, I notice you have synonymously interchanged Salvation for Regeneration - would you concede that they aren't exactly the same? Now I do concede there are several concepts that could amount to Salvation - say, if you mentioned someone...
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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    Well, to me, that is all it is. If it's just the term 'total depravity' that stands between us acknowledging what we've effectively agreed upon, then off with the term. Let's call it something else, say the doctrine of "sinfulness of the flesh"? Its tenets would start with what childeye quoted -...
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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    We're in agreement. Now that you've brought up the flesh vs spirit point - we might as well discuss it. While we do know the works of the flesh and the consequences of them - what is the flesh exactly? Is it part of our Self, our "I" ? If so, what is its scope of operation in us - what exactly...
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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    Of course. I suppose you misread me - I wasn't giving excuses. I was merely requesting others to help me follow the rules here, by helping me remove the log in my eye which at times I might not see myself. Basically, a plea for grace to help me keep the rules instead of the penalty for not...
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