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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
Read through the following study by Tenchi for more on this topic
https://christianforums.net/threads/without-the-holy-spirit-we-can-do-nothing.109419/
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
Join Sola Scriptura for a discussion on the subject
https://christianforums.net/threads/anointed-preaching-teaching.109331/#post-1912042
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The Process Of Justification
Peter's refusal to have Jesus do what, Jethro? Haven't you been saying from the beginning that it's his refusal to have his daily sins removed? A believer can refuse to have daily sins removed, yet still have faith in Christ. This is a fact you keep ignoring. People sin, even believers, and this... -
The Process Of Justification
Sigh...Again, of course it's by faith we come to Jesus, but we must have our daily sins removed or we "have no part with" Christ, which means loss of justification. You are forcing "faith" into verses that don't even deal with faith. You have Jesus saying that believers must have "daily sins... -
The Process Of Justification
Sorry. Not going off on yet another tangent. You still haven't explained where you get "commendable faith" from, nor have you even attempted an exegesis of Heb. 11:4-8, explaining how verses 4-7 describe a justifying faith, then, all of a sudden, without warning, the author switches to a... -
The Process Of Justification
Because your interpretation of Jn. 13:8-10 bears no resemblance whatsoever to the actual words of Jesus. To do a proper exegesis, a person has to use the words in the text, not just substitute the word "faith" whenever something is said to effect justification, because "scripture teaches... -
The Process Of Justification
Doesn't justified mean made or declared righteous by God? Is this what you mean by "proven"? If so, then justification is by what you do, not by faith alone. -
The Process Of Justification
Jesus is talking to PETER, who is a believer. Jesus tells a BELIEVER that, unless he has his daily sin's removed, he will lose justification. He doesn't say "unless you lose your faith, evidenced by refusing to have daily sins removed...", He says "If I do not wash you, you have no part with... -
Growth Understanding Baptism ?
Pretty cut-and-dry Biblical teaching that water baptism saves. So, yes, it is necessary. who formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water. Baptism, which corresponds to...- dadof10
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The Process Of Justification
Could it be possible that he was "tested" to see if he would REMAIN faithful, and therefore REMAIN justified? The fact that he was tested doesn't necessarily mean that God wanted to see if he was worthy of justification. It could be that He was testing His justified servant to see if he would... -
The Process Of Justification
So, Abraham was "declared righteous" but not justified? Are you saying that justification only comes after death? Are there no justified people walking around alive, or are there people who have "accomplished everything the LORD gave him to do", and are just waiting to die? -
The Process Of Justification
"We see another illustration of this concept of being always perfectly justified before God despite the stain of our sins here: "8 Peter said to Him, “Never shall You wash my feet!” Jesus answered him, “If I do not wash you, you have no part with Me.” 9 Simon Peter said to Him, “Lord, then wash... -
The Process Of Justification
Of course Jesus was referring to justified people, however "completely clean" and "you are clean" here doesn't mean "always perfectly justified before God despite the stain of [their] sins", which is what you are saying and I am disagreeing with. I hope you will "carefully" read this so we have... -
The Process Of Justification
Kinda like the faith Abraham has in Gen. 12, an obedient, trusting faith with works attached. BTW, you still have not shown where "commendable faith" is taught in Scripture--an obedient, trusting faith, with works attached that does not justify. -
The Process Of Justification
This was your entire reason for introducing these verses in the first place: "We see another illustration of this concept of being always perfectly justified before God despite the stain of our sins here: "8 Peter said to Him, “Never shall You wash my feet!” Jesus answered him, “If I do not... -
The Process Of Justification
Later generations of Israelites? Paul is talking about how the Israelites were cut off because they didn't accept Jesus as the Messiah ("because of unbelief"), and the Gentiles are now grafted in because of their faith. If the Israelites return to the faith, they will be grafted back in. How is... -
The Process Of Justification
And because of belief can be grafted in again. And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. (Rom 11:23 NASB) People stop believing, they are "cut off", they return to the faith, they are grafted back in... -
The Process Of Justification
"Have no part with" Jesus means lose justification, right? Here are the verses again: Peter said to Him, "Never shall You wash my feet!" Jesus answered him, "If I do not wash you, you have no part with Me." Simon Peter said to Him, "Lord, then wash not only my feet, but also my hands and my... -
The Process Of Justification
Scripture says he was justified in Gen. 12, then again in Gen. 15. It doesn't say "his faith never wavered" from Gen. 12 onward. Look at the context. "Without becoming weak in faith he contemplated his own body, now as good as dead since he was about a hundred years old, and the deadness of... -
The Process Of Justification
Romans 4 does say he was justified in Gen. 15. That's what "credited as righteousness" means. "What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the... -
The Process Of Justification
I don't need to explain it, you do. You have said that if a person refuses to have their daily sins removed, he is no longer justified. You need to explain how a person can lose justification, yet still keep it (be "completely clean"). This seems like a contradiction to me, so I'll wait for you... -
The Process Of Justification
No, I'm confused because you have put forth two contradicting interpretations of the same verse. "Peter said to Him, "Never shall You wash my feet!" Jesus answered him, "If I do not wash you, you have no part with Me." (Jhn 13:8 NASB) On the one hand you say that "despite their sin, which...