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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
Read through the following study by Tenchi for more on this topic
https://christianforums.net/threads/without-the-holy-spirit-we-can-do-nothing.109419/
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
Join Sola Scriptura for a discussion on the subject
https://christianforums.net/threads/anointed-preaching-teaching.109331/#post-1912042
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The Process Of Justification
As I showed you, the author is exhorting these believers not to give into persecution. To take the "great conflict of sufferings", the "partly by being made a public spectacle", the "reproaches and tribulations" and the "becoming sharers with those who were so treated" out of your exegesis of... -
The Process Of Justification
The mistake I'm making is reading the words you write and putting the actual defined meaning to them. Again, "former" (having previously filled a particular role or been a particular thing") believer means, by anyone's definition, a person who no longer believes, not someone who is "toying with... -
The Process Of Justification
What you are saying is that a "former believer", a person who used to believe, but doesn't anymore, an unbeliever, can be justified. I hope you clarify this seeming contradiction in a future post because "former believer" is by anyone's definition an unbeliever. If you didn't mean "former... -
The Process Of Justification
Do you think these verses in Hebrews refer to people who let the "seeds of doubt" take root and they eventually fade into unbelief, or do you think they are referring to people who flat out apostatize? Let's take a look at Heb. 10 and see. For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the... -
The Process Of Justification
If I continue in obedient, trusting faith, I am being justified. If I stop having an obedient, trusting faith, I stop being justified. If you want to keep playing silly word games instead of discuss this topic, please do it with someone else, thanks. -
The Process Of Justification
I asked if a person stopped breathing if he stops believing. You replied "yes". Why are you playing word games? -
The Process Of Justification
You called this hypothetical person a "former believer" in your last post. I even asked if you meant "former believer". "Did you mean to say "former believer"? If you did, we agree. A believer fades away from the faith (as opposed to apostatizes) and becomes a "former believer", he can still... -
The Process Of Justification
LOL...Right, that's why there are so many responses to my actual exegesis. Again, the only one who took a shot was Jethro. If it was so easily debunked, you would think there would be more people doing it. The count stands at one... -
The Process Of Justification
Not to mention disjointed and inconclusive. -
The Process Of Justification
Are you trying to say that by studying the life of Abraham in the context of Gen.12 and Hebrews 11, and coming to the honest, Biblical conclusion that Abraham was justified more than once, I am "cursing" him? Really? This can't be your point... -
The Process Of Justification
What come before these words, Smaller? Something like "If he needed to be justified more than once, and you believe that Abraham is justified by obedience or faith alone, then he must have lost his obedience or his faith, otherwise he wouldn't need to be rejustified". I never made the positive... -
The Process Of Justification
Well, this has been fun, but I have to get to work now and I'm sure Jethro will post before tomorrow morning. Take care, Smaller... -
The Process Of Justification
I never said he "lost his faith". You are taking my words out of context. Do you have any logical reason as to why you think the author of Hebrews is lying about Abraham's justification in Gen. 12? -
The Process Of Justification
Here is the Scriptural proof that he was justified in Gen. 12: "By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went." (Heb. 11:8 KJV) He had an obedient faith that justified him in... -
The Process Of Justification
I have proved that he must have either lost his obedience or his faith, because he was justified in Gen. 12, then again in Gen. 15. Now, the ball is in your court to prove this contention wrong. Anything else is simply blowing smoke. -
The Process Of Justification
I don't. Just killing time until Jethro's next post... -
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The Process Of Justification
Please at least hear this one simple point. I am not trying to "smear" Abraham anymore than I'm trying to "smear" all of humanity, including my wife, my kids, my mom and myself!!! The EXAMPLE OF ABRAHAM shows that WE, ALL PEOPLE can lose justification and regain it through the Grace of God. If... -
The Process Of Justification
Did you mean to say "former believer"? If you did, we agree. A believer fades away from the faith (as opposed to apostatizes) and becomes a "former believer", he can still "come back to his senses" and be justified again. I think it's more accurately stated "the former believer continues to... -
The Process Of Justification
Thanks for proving me right. OK, I'm done here...