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    Penal Substitutionary Atonement

    Hello again Journeyman, while I ALWAYS appreciate being loved ?, I honestly don't remember asking you for clarity about post #5 prior to my last message to you (in fact, I felt a bit guilty for not getting to it sooner after you pointed out to me that I hadn't done so). Also, as far as the...
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    Penal Substitutionary Atonement

    Hello again Journeyman, sadly, I have to run again, but I thought that I'd ask you for a little help before I go as I'm not understanding the point that you are making above. I highlighted the part of v13 that speaks of the Lord Jesus acting as a substitute for us, but rather than just guessing...
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    Penal Substitutionary Atonement

    Hello again Journeyman, I will do so (Dv), but it will probably be tomorrow evening before I can. God bless you!! --David
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    Penal Substitutionary Atonement

    So, He chose to die for us, yes? (or I suppose you could say, laid His life down by ALLOWING Himself to be crucified, so that we could be saved). As I'm sure you'd agree, no one could have killed Him without His consent to do so. He asked His Father to forgive those who killed Him for not...
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    Penal Substitutionary Atonement

    Hello Journeyman, I suppose the question then is this, was the Lord Jesus Christ "put to death" in the sense that that passage in Ezekiel means, or did He CHOOSE to lay His life down in order to save us, because of His great love for us, His bride ? Thanks ? God bless you!! --David p.s. - as...
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    Penal Substitutionary Atonement

    Hello Free, I agree with you, and I believe that the Bible does, as well (of course), both the OT and the New. For instance, Isaiah 53 4 Surely our griefs He Himself bore, And our sorrows He carried; Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken...
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    Penal Substitutionary Atonement

    In regard to the above, you said: "Jesus was mortal, subject to death, and of our nature, having the lusts of the flesh. He overcame these lusts by his understanding and meditation on the Word of God, and he never sinned." Since the Apostle makes it clear for us (~after~ the Lord's life, death...
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    Penal Substitutionary Atonement

    Hello Trevor, it sounds like we have a go then ? The reason that I thought you may be Mormon came from something that you said in post #6, which was: I believe that Jesus is a human, a descendant of Adam through Mary and he inherited our sin prone nature. I reject that he is a God-man, or God...
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    Penal Substitutionary Atonement

    Hello again TrevorL, yes, what you said above has several 'wrinkles' that I was not expecting ? I'd still like to take a shot at discussing the atonement from your POV if you're still game, but only if it's a discussion about the Atonement, and one that is based on the Bible alone. Please let...
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    Penal Substitutionary Atonement

    Hello Trevor, thank you for your reply. I know that this is a controversial subject, so I'd like to hear a bit more from you about it (how you see it, that is), particularly about the basis for the atonement and how/why it allows the guilty to be set free in the system or concept that you hold...
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    Can the bible become an idol?

    Thanks WIP, and apologies to you Riven for the thread drift! God bless you!! --David p.s. - if it would be best for the thread to remove my off-topic posts, please don't hesitate to do so. Thanks again :)
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    Can the bible become an idol?

    Hello again Mr. G Lee, I have one or two additional questions about the above, but I'd like to start with one about the text above in bold. Assuming that you are using "Son of man" to refer to the Lord Jesus Christ then, as the Bible tells us, He is God from everlasting, but He remains both God...
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    Can the bible become an idol?

    Hello Mr. G Lee, I'm not sure what you mean by that. Please elaborate. Thanks :) Also, why do you believe that the word of God is "temporal" when the Bible makes it clear, again and again, that God's words are eternal ? For instance: Matthew 24 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words...
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    First, Praise GOD! Nice looking forum. Hoping to find some guidance and wisdom.

    Hi Ken, welcome to CF! I'm sorry to hear that your life seems like a nightmare right now, but the Lord is able to turn what we see as bad (even nightmarish) around and into something that is exceedingly better than that ? In fact, He promises that that is exactly what He will do for those of us...
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    Can the bible become an idol?

    Here are a couple of short, interesting articles about this and a related topic. Enjoy ? ~https://www.gotquestions.org/bibliolatry.html ~https://www.gotquestions.org/bibliomancy.html --David
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    Compromise/Modification of Likes/Dislikes

    Hello SupporterOfCristo, many of us tend to "major in the minors" (so to speak) at times by focusing most of our attention on a certain aspect (or aspects) of the faith that, in the end, do not have true, eternal consequences. These are matters that we can try to find common ground on and, if...
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    Penal Substitutionary Atonement

    Audio & Transcript https://www.ligonier.org/podcasts/simply-put/penal-substitutionary-atonement
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    Sabbath

    Audio & Transcript https://www.ligonier.org/podcasts/simply-put/sabbath
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    John 10:25-29. Comment

    Hello CherubRam, the NIV translators (as well the translation teams of all of our other translations/paraphrases) could have chosen to translate 1 John 5:11 as you are attempting to do above, but none of them did, INCLUDING (once again) the non-Trinitarian "translation" that was done by the...
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    John 10:25-29. Comment

    I meant to add this passage to an earlier post but failed to do so, so I will do so now. I suppose that I should also point out that this is but one of many passages in the Bible that points to the Lord Jesus Christ as the Source of life for us, physical, spiritual and/or eternal. 1 John 5...
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