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    The Lords super ,

    it depends on if your catholic or not ;)
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    Carlos, I demostrated this usage as well in post #336and I demonstrated how we could apply it to this verse in question. Your example confuses different ways of using the commas. Your example "Banks, which hold over a billion dollars in assets, are rare" demonstrates the restrictive clause...
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    Who here REALLY BELIEVES Christ? Luke 16 Is A PARABLE!

    here is a quote ( from France) about parables: The extensive modern discussion of Jesus' parables has shown how inadequate is the sunday school definition, 'an earthly story with a heavenly meaning'. Even those parables which take the form of a story are often not simple illistrations of...
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    Jesus learning as a boy

    : )... (dots to make this post long enought to post
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

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    The Presumptive Arrogance Of Studied Christians.

    lol, is that being presumptuosly arrogant aswell ; ) as a discussion, I was wondering on what part do those who arnt 'in authority' or who dont have the gift of teaching, pastoring, or other expertise in ministry have in regards to respecting these God given roles? and what level do people need...
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    my apologies upfront as I dont have time to find verses or produce evidence for or against at this time. I think that reason and logic would tell us that the women leaders of the early church (of which there where several) that we have talked about already on this thread had some sort of voice...
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    its a 3rd person plural active imperative present This is what demonstrates how sigao shows its aspect and time, I have shown this several times. Present gives it a sense of Process, imperative gives it the sense of a command, 3rd person Imperative gives it the sense of 'let them' or 'they...
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    Jesus learning as a boy

    there is a difference between pharisee and teacher, a pharisee was a member of a particular tradition, as is the sadducees etc. Not all teachers, rabbi and priests where pharisees, and I dont think we can read into this passage that Jesus was taught only by them. and for that matter another...
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    cool, ok. now I can back up again. You will notice that Ive edited my post to relect my thoughts a little better as Ive tried to understand yours. so Ill address these points one at a time I am not trying to use this to defend my position on sigao, I was using it to show you how you can get...
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    Thats unfair, I HAVE GIVEN YOU ALL THE INFORMATION YOUVE ASKED FOR, Ive given you my opinion on this passage, I dont see the point on giving it again and again. youve asked me why I think its peace and not silence, I told you , in more than one post. You asked me to show you where the word...
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    if you where to lexicon this entire passage you would get "the woman in the church keep silence [peace, secret etc] not for permit him speak but subject according and the law say" The endings of all these words in the actual passage are different and is what gives the sentence its grammer, we...
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    As a bible scholar it is important for me to ask these questions, research it and study it so that I can not only preserve the knowledge we have but also build apon it. SO that I may pass it down to future generations. As a bible scholar I need to go deeper than a 'lay person' and besides, the...
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    in all honestly I cant think of a simpler way to express it, other than suggest you enroll into a Koine Greek class and how this word behaves in this passage will be explained roughly at the end of your first year. As I cant think of a simple way to condense a year (or 18 chapters) into one...
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    I also beleive he was inspired, I also beleive God can and did in all the bible inspire people to write things that the authors didnt understand themselves, and yet God has given us all we need to understand all the things we need to understand. I also beleive that he entrusted his word to...
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    it is also plural and active (I left that info out) present = tense imperative = mood active = voice σιγάω is found in the 1cor14:34 as σιγάτωσαν My point of contention is not how sigao behaives, my point of contention is that you CAN derive aspect from a Greek word, I havnt been discussing...
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    Im not arguing for or against a particular point when I countered you here, just saying that it can be done. You have a thing called tenses in grammer, in english there is past present and future: I threw I am throwing I will throw Which as you correctly stated, in English you use the...
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    Hey Webb, 'lalein' is the infinitive of 'lalew'. Ive mentioned before that greek has grammer imbued into it. THey are in essence the same verb, they both mean silence Lalew is the Dictionary form (what you would find the word as in a lexicon) AND is also the present Indicitive sg and is...
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    Yes, Paul is prohibiting λαλέω, External evidence and a literal reading supports the notion that Paul is only prohibiting Idle chatter but I think its a stretch given the internal evidence. Paul doesnt seem to follow this rule exactly, from this word alone the internal evidence suggests that...
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    sigh. well, yes actually you can. This passage indicates that the law is refering to the fact that women are not allowed to speak - this is as the use of commas suggest. Because in English you never seperate a subject with its verb by only one comma. So, show me; where in the Law does it say...
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