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  1. Shakes

    Paul was not saved by faith

    Exactly - and it was through that faith that he was saved.
  2. Shakes

    Paul was not saved by faith

    I think the "afterwards" part is what Deborah13 is talking about. He didn't have to repent.
  3. Shakes

    Muscle And A Shovel

    I used the Kindle lending library to read this and I was very disappointed although I wasn't surprised. I'm glad that some people are getting something out of it, but the author portrays every preacher outside the CoC as misguided, dumb, or greedy. There are some weird things in the book that...
  4. Shakes

    Muscle And A Shovel

    You are probably right. I wasn't just referring to his replies in that link, but those on Amazon as well. Also I've heard him speak at the Harding lectures.
  5. Shakes

    Muscle And A Shovel

    I haven't read the book, but the author's replies to negative reviews has turned me off of the book. Here is a link to a negative review http://oneinjesus.info/2013/10/muscle-and-a-shovel-by-michael-shank/
  6. Shakes

    Baptism of the Holy Spirit - a one time event?

    So when one receives the Holy Spirit is that considered Holy Spirit baptism? That is what I'd been taught in the past. Now I'm being told that the baptism of the Holy Spirit was the Spirit being poured out at Pentecost which allows us today to receive the Spirit.
  7. Shakes

    Baptism of the Holy Spirit - a one time event?

    So is that 1 baptism the baptism of the Holy Spirit or something else? The fellow who was talking to me used this verse to say that it means Holy Spirit baptism doesn't occur today. Another thing I was told was that the Spirit doesn't baptize anyone - Jesus baptized the world (I guess that is...
  8. Shakes

    Baptism of the Holy Spirit - a one time event?

    The other day someone explained to me that they believed that the baptism of the Holy Spirit that was prophesied by John the Baptist happened at Pentecost and it has never happened since. He said baptism of the Holy Spirit means the Spirit being poured out. Is this a standard belief? I've...
  9. Shakes

    Are they really to blame?

    Do you think these folks who are stealing would be upset by someone who is worse off then them stealing from them? I think they would. If they know it is wrong to have someone steal from them they know it is wrong to steal so they do mean to be bad. Lots of sins provide easy answers for folks...
  10. Shakes

    Do Believers In Hell Fire Actually Believe?

    I suppose if hell is eternal conscious torment is correct, then any teaching that doesn't go to that point blunts Jesus' teaching to some degree. Whatever happens to those outside of Jesus after they die is horrible judging from the Jesus' warnings so I wasn't sure if farouk felt there were...
  11. Shakes

    Do Believers In Hell Fire Actually Believe?

    Does your "or something" just refer to empty annihilation by a different name or are the other beliefs that you believe would blunt Jesus' message about hell?
  12. Shakes

    What happens to those who have never heard of Jesus?

    So what do you believe happens to those who've never heard of Jesus? I agree with you about spreading the gospel and the book of Acts testifies to the idea that it is crucial that everyone needs to hear about Jesus. At this point, I guess I lean towards an available light theory. I think...
  13. Shakes

    Greetings

    Hello, I am a married guy who grew up in the Church of Christ. I really enjoy reading civil discussions about various aspects of Christianity. I'm a hillbilly from the Ozarks so I probably won't be able to add much, but I'm looking forward to learning quite a bit. Sent from my Nexus 7 using...
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