Baptism of the Holy Spirit - a one time event?

[Shakes]

The other day someone explained to me that they believed that the baptism of the Holy Spirit that was prophesied by John the Baptist happened at Pentecost and it has never happened since. He said baptism of the Holy Spirit means the Spirit being poured out. Is this a standard belief? I've been under the impression that people are baptized by the Holy Spirit when they are saved.

 

[John Zain]

I believe in 4 Christian baptisms ...

(1) -- Baptism into the church (born again) --- the Holy Spirit is the baptiser
This does NOT refer to a phony salvation, which has always been quite prevalent,
i.e. merely an intellectual belief or conversion of one’s thinking.
But this refers to being “born again (from above)†with the Holy Spirit entering the person.
“For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body (the church)
… and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.†(1 Corinthians 12:13)
The Holy Spirit takes up residence INSIDE the believer … John 14:16-23; Romans 8:11;
1 Corinthians 3:16; Galatians 4:6; 2 Timothy 1:14; 1 John 3:24; 1 John 4:12-16.

(2) -- Baptism in water (symbolic demonstration of faith) --- man is the baptiser
Full-immersion baptism in water is symbolic, being the outward expression of inward faith.
Any other type of water baptism is unscriptural and just dreamed up by man.
“Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were
baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death,
that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father,
even so we also should walk in newness of life.†(Romans 6:3-4)
â€â€¦ buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through
faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.†(Colossians 2:12)
Jesus died to self, went down under the earth, was resurrected with a new incorruptible body.
We are to die to self, go down under the water, come up a new man ready to live a new life.
Paul said, “Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel†(1 Corinthians 1:17).
Scripture says we are justified by faith alone, not by works (Romans 4:1-8, Ephesians 2:8-9).

(3) -- Baptism with the Holy Spirit (an anointing: mostly power for ministry) --- Jesus is the baptiser
John the Baptist proclaimed that Jesus is the One who baptizes with the Holy Spirit
… Matthew 3:11, Mark 1:8, Luke 3:16, John 1:33.
The baptism with the Holy Spirit comes after being born again (or at the same time).
7 verses say that for this baptism the Holy Spirit comes UPON the believer, for example:
“… the Holy Spirit fell upon them, as upon us at the beginning. Then I remembered
the word of the Lord, how He said, ‘John indeed baptized with water, but you shall
be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ †(Acts 11:15-16)
14 Scripture passages directly LINK the following gifts and events with this baptism:
the promise, the gift, upon, laying on of hands, filled with the Holy Spirit,
received the Holy Spirit, speaking in tongues, power, boldness, miracles.
I have a chart showing how they are obviously all linked together in the 14 Scriptures.

(4) -- Baptism with fire (extreme suffering for the gospel’s sake) --- Jesus is the baptiser
John the Baptist proclaimed that Jesus is the One who baptizes with fire.
“He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.†(Matthew 3:11, Luke 3:16)
Jesus asks His 12 disciples if they are able and willing to be martyrs after Him …
“Are you able to drink the cup that I am about to drink, and be baptized with the
baptism that I am baptized with? … You will indeed drink My cup, and be baptized
with the baptism that I am baptized with …†(Matthew 20:22-23, Mark 10:38-39)

All of the baptisms are glorious blessings, even the baptism with fire:
“Blessed are those who are persected fr righteousness sake†(Matthew 5:10).

 

[Agape]

I believe in 4 Christian baptisms ...

one Lord, one faith, one baptism (Ephesians 4:5)

 

[ezra]

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. {one time event the baptism of the spirit takes place the moment of the new birth. } { baptized to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)} the spirit did come at pentecost

I've been under the impression that people are baptized by the Holy Spirit when they are saved.

your right that is when.. others will say baptism of the spirit is speaking in tongues ..i fail to see that..i do not deny tongues but i see it as a gift..

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

The other day someone explained to me that they believed that the baptism of the Holy Spirit that was prophesied by John the Baptist happened at Pentecost and it has never happened since. He said baptism of the Holy Spirit means the Spirit being poured out. Is this a standard belief? I've been under the impression that people are baptized by the Holy Spirit when they are saved.

Being filled with the Spirit must be distinguished from being baptized with the Spirit. The apostle Paul carefully defines the baptism with the Spirit as that act of Christ by which He places believers into His body (Rom. 6:4–6; 1 Cor. 12:13; Gal. 3:27). In contrast to much errant teaching today, the New Testament nowhere commands believers to seek the baptism with the Spirit. It is a sovereign, single, unrepeatable act on God’s part, and is no more an experience than are its companions justification and adoption. Although some wrongly view the baptism with the Spirit as the initiation into the ranks of the spiritual elite, nothing could be further from the truth.

Unlike the baptism with the Spirit, being filled with the Spirit is an experience and should be continuous. Although filled initially on the Day of Pentecost, Peter was filled again in Acts 4:8. Many of the same people filled with the Spirit in Acts 2 were filled again in Acts 4:31. Acts 6:5 describes Stephen as a man “full of faith and the Holy Spirit,” yet Acts 7:55 records his being filled again. Paul was filled with the Spirit in Acts 9:17 and again in Acts 13:9.

While there is no command in Scripture to be baptized with the Spirit, believers are commanded to be filled with the Spirit (Eph. 5:18). The grammatical construction of that passage indicates believers are continuously being filled with the Spirit, based on their prayer for that filling, and God's grace. Those who would be filled with the Spirit must first empty themselves. That involves confession of sin and dying to selfishness and self-will. To be filled with the Spirit is to consciously practice the presence of the Lord Jesus Christ and to have a mind saturated with the Word of God. Colossians 3:16–25 delineates the results of “letting the word of Christ richly dwell” in us. They are the same ones that result from the filling of the Spirit (Eph. 5:19–33). As believers yield the moment by moment decisions of life to His control, they “walk by the Spirit” (Gal. 5:16).

 

[John Zain]

one Lord, one faith, one baptism (Ephesians 4:5)

Howdy, Agape ...

Hebrews 6:1-2
Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ,
let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation
of repentance from dead works and
of faith toward God,
of the doctrine of baptisms (plural),
of laying on of hands,
of resurrection of the dead, and
of eternal judgment.

Some people insist these baptisms refer to the old Jewish baptisms.
EDITED What do they have to do with Christ?

 

[Shakes]

one Lord, one faith, one baptism (Ephesians 4:5)

So is that 1 baptism the baptism of the Holy Spirit or something else? The fellow who was talking to me used this verse to say that it means Holy Spirit baptism doesn't occur today.

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. {one time event the baptism of the spirit takes place the moment of the new birth. } { baptized to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)} the spirit did come at pentecost

Another thing I was told was that the Spirit doesn't baptize anyone - Jesus baptized the world (I guess that is how he'd explain it) with the Holy Spirit on Pentecost. This fellow said not everyone takes advantage of this baptism. This verse is what popped into my head, but some versions don't say "by" they say "in" which seems to me to bolster his case.

I'd never heard anyone say this before so it took me by surprise. I guess this teaching isn't that common.

 

[Agape]

So is that 1 baptism the baptism of the Holy Spirit or something else? The fellow who was talking to me used this verse to say that it means Holy Spirit baptism doesn't occur today.

Not the baptism of the Holy Spirit but the sign gifts.

Here is a short video (2 minutes) that explains what is the Spirit baptism and answers your question "is it a one-time event"? Every believer has that experience once (1 Cor. 12:12-13).

[video=youtube;_kaOWHhMSHI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kaOWHhMSHI[/video]



If you want an in-depth study, I highly recommend this Bible study series

baptism of the holy spirit
http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/1703/the-baptism-of-the-holy-spirit-part-1
http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/1704/the-baptism-of-the-holy-spirit-part-2

Sign gifts of the Holy Spirit
http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/1856
http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/1857
http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/1858

God bless!

 

[John Zain]

Not the baptism of the Holy Spirit but the sign gifts.
If you want an in-depth study, I highly recommend this Bible study series
baptism of the holy spirit (by John MacArthur) ...

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The explanation of what happened to the churches is extremely easy to understand.

 

[Agape]

News Flash! ...
Almost all born-again believers whom Jesus has NOT baptized with the Holy Spirit
are against it, and the related sign gifts (1 Cor 12) also, as continuing on today.
If one can stop and think about it, one might just be able to imagine why!
But, it's difficult because these believers are held captive to 1900 years of false doctrine.
End of News Flash

If anyone would like further edification, please just ask.
The explanation of what happened to the churches is extremely easy to understand.

No thanks and please don't add anything to my quotes. It is the second time you've done that.

 

[ezra]

News Flash! ...
Almost all born-again believers whom Jesus has NOT baptized with the Holy Spirit
are against it, and the related sign gifts (1 Cor 12) also, as continuing on today.
If one can stop and think about it, one might just be able to imagine why!
But, it's difficult because these believers are held captive to 1900 years of false doctrine.
End of News Flash

we are baptized into the body of Christ. the moment of salvation. the next step is the filling of the Spirit. which is NOT a one time event..

 

[Butch5]

Being filled with the Spirit must be distinguished from being baptized with the Spirit. The apostle Paul carefully defines the baptism with the Spirit as that act of Christ by which He places believers into His body (Rom. 6:4–6; 1 Cor. 12:13; Gal. 3:27). In contrast to much errant teaching today, the New Testament nowhere commands believers to seek the baptism with the Spirit. It is a sovereign, single, unrepeatable act on God’s part, and is no more an experience than are its companions justification and adoption. Although some wrongly view the baptism with the Spirit as the initiation into the ranks of the spiritual elite, nothing could be further from the truth.

Unlike the baptism with the Spirit, being filled with the Spirit is an experience and should be continuous. Although filled initially on the Day of Pentecost, Peter was filled again in Acts 4:8. Many of the same people filled with the Spirit in Acts 2 were filled again in Acts 4:31. Acts 6:5 describes Stephen as a man “full of faith and the Holy Spirit,” yet Acts 7:55 records his being filled again. Paul was filled with the Spirit in Acts 9:17 and again in Acts 13:9.

While there is no command in Scripture to be baptized with the Spirit, believers are commanded to be filled with the Spirit (Eph. 5:18). The grammatical construction of that passage indicates believers are continuously being filled with the Spirit, based on their prayer for that filling, and God's grace. Those who would be filled with the Spirit must first empty themselves. That involves confession of sin and dying to selfishness and self-will. To be filled with the Spirit is to consciously practice the presence of the Lord Jesus Christ and to have a mind saturated with the Word of God. Colossians 3:16–25 delineates the results of “letting the word of Christ richly dwell” in us. They are the same ones that result from the filling of the Spirit (Eph. 5:19–33). As believers yield the moment by moment decisions of life to His control, they “walk by the Spirit” (Gal. 5:16).

Why do you think Eph 5:18 is speaking of the Holy Spirit, it doesn't have the definite article?

 

[Butch5]

The other day someone explained to me that they believed that the baptism of the Holy Spirit that was prophesied by John the Baptist happened at Pentecost and it has never happened since. He said baptism of the Holy Spirit means the Spirit being poured out. Is this a standard belief? I've been under the impression that people are baptized by the Holy Spirit when they are saved.

According to Peter when one is baptized in water they receive the Holy Spirit.

 

[Shakes]

According to Peter when one is baptized in water they receive the Holy Spirit.

So when one receives the Holy Spirit is that considered Holy Spirit baptism? That is what I'd been taught in the past. Now I'm being told that the baptism of the Holy Spirit was the Spirit being poured out at Pentecost which allows us today to receive the Spirit.

 

[Mitspa]

So when one receives the Holy Spirit is that considered Holy Spirit baptism? That is what I'd been taught in the past. Now I'm being told that the baptism of the Holy Spirit was the Spirit being poured out at Pentecost which allows us today to receive the Spirit.

I say look at the clear example of scripture? Jesus breathed into His followers, His Spirit. Then at Pentacost the Holy Spirit came upon them. This pattern is seen throughout the scriptures. Trust the Word of God and reject traditions of men. What was Pauls warning? "a different Jesus, a different spirit" a different gospel!

If you ask the Father for the Holy Spirit will He give you a serpent?
"many have not, because they ask not"

Ask, and you receive. Then mans opinions and religious traditions will be of little importance.

 

[ezra]

So when one receives the Holy Spirit is that considered Holy Spirit baptism? That is what I'd been taught in the past. Now I'm being told that the baptism of the Holy Spirit was the Spirit being poured out at Pentecost which allows us today to receive the Spirit.

the moment we are saved we get the holy spirit which gives us the power we need. the moment we are saved we are baptized into the body of Christ. to some degree it is the same event..only thing back in Christ time on Earth even in old testament the spirit came upon them. today the spirit in in us.

 

[Mitspa]

the moment we are saved we get the holy spirit which gives us the power we need. the moment we are saved we are baptized into the body of Christ. to some degree it is the same event..only thing back in Christ time on Earth even in old testament the spirit came upon them. today the spirit in in us.

So basically the Holy Spirit has changed and the bible can no longer be understood to mean what it says?
different spirit?
Trust the Word Of God, not the traditions of men.

 

[ezra]

So basically the Holy Spirit has changed and the bible can no longer be understood to mean what it says?
different spirit?
Trust the Word Of God, not the traditions of men.

i am sorry but the number you have dialed is no longer in service..please hang up again and try again thank you..totopic

 

[John Zain]

I say look at the clear example of scripture?
Jesus breathed into His followers, His Spirit.
Then at Pentacost the Holy Spirit came upon them.
This pattern is seen throughout the scriptures.
Trust the Word of God and reject traditions of men.
What was Pauls warning?
"a different Jesus, a different spirit" a different gospel!
If you ask the Father for the Holy Spirit will He give you a serpent?
"many have not, because they ask not"
Ask, and you receive.
Then mans opinions and religious traditions will be of little importance.

Yes, of course, you are 100% correct ... except for ...
I would not say that people who are cessationists are of
"a different Jesus, a different spirit" a different gospel!

Jesus is waiting for born-again Christians to BELIEVE in His Scriptures.
All of them ... yes, Jesus hates UNBELIEF.

Then, they might just "ask, seek, and knock" until they receive more from Him.
Which is the baptism with the Holy Spirit, with the initial evidence(proof) of speaking in tongues.
Then, you will be "qualified" to receive one of more of the 9 spiritual power gifts (1 Cor 12).
Next, you will be Scripturally-qualified to enter into the 5-fold ministry (Eph 4:11).

It's ALL available to you ... ALL you need to do is ask, seek, and knock until you get it.
Remember the persistent widow?

 

[ezra]

Which is the baptism with the Holy Spirit, with the initial evidence(proof) of speaking in tongues.

dont get me wrong i believe in the gift of tongues %100 but i find no where in scripture it tellsus we must have this gift {qualified" to receive one of more of the 9 spiritual power gifts (1 Cor 12).
Next, you will be Scripturally-qualified to enter into the 5-fold ministry (Eph 4:11).} you see i have the power with in me. John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: and i do believe in Healing and Miracles.