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[gingercat]

The Popes are not these kings that you think of them as, always making demands on the Church. Their rule is more in the role of a father, guiding.

Thank God my father was not like many of the popes!

How can you EVER consider them to be "fatherly" and "guiding"??

They murdered, committed adultery, had concubines, had young boys as lovers, showed nepotism, were drunkards, ran brothels, robbed the poor, gambled, had illegitimate children, supported the inquisition, committed incest, instigated the crusades, had their "opponents" tortured, several were bi-sexual or homosexual, several murdered and/or harassed true Christians etc etc




:o

Thank you for exposing the evil deeds of darkness, Gary. The Bible tells us to do so. :angel:

 

[fatboyluis]

o my gosh

i dont think ive ever seen such an aimed attack at Catholism, even though it happens everyday

what was said on this forum has deeply and tatally offended me, ur trying to make out that because some ppl in the Catholic faith (i dont think that they can be called catholic if what they done is tru)
that u can assume that we r all like this?

so do u believe that this is a pagan religion as someone has mentioned in this forum?

i can tell u from the very bottom and with the whole of my being that i am trully proud to be a member of the universal church the Roman Catholic and apostolic church, and that till the day i die i shall always be obiediant to the Holy Father and the Holy Church.

why do u only point to the bad of church? is ur church perfect are we all perfect?

i pray that 1 day we can all be unified and i pray that u all come bak to the fullness of truth,

God Bless u all

 

[D46]

It is hard to believe Peter was wearing a pope's hat. Was he wearing gorgeous clothes too?

Is 22
[20] In that day I will call my servant Eli'akim the son of Hilki'ah,
[21] and I will clothe him with your robe, and will bind your girdle on him, and will commit your authority to his hand; and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the house of Judah.
[22] And I will place on his shoulder the key of the house of David; he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.

I doudt you understand why I post this verse. :-?

I thought these verces is talking about Jesus. Am I wrong everyone?

Isaiah 22 has to do with the lamentation for the invasion of the Jews by Persia. Verses 20-25 are Messianic prophecy and have nothing to do with any succession of Popery or the wearing of hats(miters) or fine clothes or having the keys to open and close anything involving papal supremacy, as some may lead you to believe. The strange hats worn by the Pope have an interesting background and have a striking resemblance to the one worn by the Philistine fish god-Dagon. Notice the similarity...looks like paganism to me.

 

[thessalonian]

I can see this thread is not really about the OP. It is about prejudice, biggotry, ridcule, buffoonery, nonsense, and stupidity. I'll no longer participate in such a discussion where you can't even support your opening contention and are just looking for angles to slander and distort. I have exposed plenty of outright lies in this and the other thread already for anyone who is not a biggot. Now this thread is a venture in pearly casting and vipers.

D46,

I love how protestants post pictures of a sick old man who has done nothing but tried his best to serve Christ in his life, going through persecution and the threat of death to bring the Gospel to those in need who were being murdered and persecuted by the Nazis. one who put his life on the line going to the seminary because his love for Christ and his Chuch. You post a picture of him in his illeness hoping that people will be turned off and think he is evil because of his disabling and somewhat disfiguring desease he had latter in his life. You are truly a reprehensable biggot. I will not take that back no matter who asks me to. It is you that is evil.

 

[gingercat]

I can see this thread is not really about the OP. It is about prejudice, biggotry, ridcule, buffoonery, nonsense, and stupidity. I'll no longer participate in such a discussion where you can't even support your opening contention and are just looking for angles to slander and distort. I have exposed plenty of outright lies in this and the other thread already for anyone who is not a biggot. Now this thread is a venture in pearly casting and vipers.

D46,

I love how protestants post pictures of a sick old man who has done nothing but tried his best to serve Christ in his life, going through persecution and the threat of death to bring the Gospel to those in need who were being murdered and persecuted by the Nazis. one who put his life on the line going to the seminary because his love for Christ and his Chuch. You post a picture of him in his illeness hoping that people will be turned off and think he is evil because of his disabling and somewhat disfiguring desease he had latter in his life. You are truly a reprehensable biggot. I will not take that back no matter who asks me to. It is you that is evil.

Thess,

We can quote and argue about the Bible all day long and get no where. That's why the Bible tells us to look for fruit. You have bad fruit instead of good. Why are you offended by the reality of the whole truth about your organization? Why don't you try to find out if your opposers are telling the truth? That's what I always do.

sincerely

 

[D46]

I can see this thread is not really about the OP. It is about prejudice, biggotry, ridcule, buffoonery, nonsense, and stupidity. I'll no longer participate in such a discussion where you can't even support your opening contention and are just looking for angles to slander and distort. I have exposed plenty of outright lies in this and the other thread already for anyone who is not a biggot. Now this thread is a venture in pearly casting and vipers.

D46,

I love how protestants post pictures of a sick old man who has done nothing but tried his best to serve Christ in his life, going through persecution and the threat of death to bring the Gospel to those in need who were being murdered and persecuted by the Nazis. one who put his life on the line going to the seminary because his love for Christ and his Chuch. You post a picture of him in his illeness hoping that people will be turned off and think he is evil because of his disabling and somewhat disfiguring desease he had latter in his life. You are truly a reprehensable biggot. I will not take that back no matter who asks me to. It is you that is evil.

My post had nothiing to do with John Paul at all...never would I make light of a mans age or sickness!!! If God should grant me err, these many years, I probably would look as he or worse myself. The discussion was about Isaiah 22 and about the "hats"...not about JP It just so happen that was the picture I had. I could have posted a shot of one of the other John Pauls or perhaps Pius XII as they all wore the same miter thus, my post about the hats. Reprehensable bigot? Well, at least I'm not a strawman or red herring this time! maybe I've made progress. No-I'm not evil. I will, however, attempt to bring about the truth in hopes someone will see light.

 

[Gary]

Prove that there is an unbroken line (no missing years or months) in the line of "popes" from the so-called first pope Peter to the current pope.

No altering history now like the Roman Catholic church has tried to do.

Well first of all your statement implies that the Catholic Church says there has to be a completely unbrokent line of Popes with no gaps.
Can you show me the doctrinal statement that says there has to be a completely unbroken line such that there are no breaks. Let me save you some time. There is no such statement by a pope or council. Nobody hides history. Go and look on Newadvent.org at the list of popes and the dates. I believe that there is even 1 4 year gap due to events in hisotry. I believe there was a war at the time that prevented an election.

There is no problem if there is a small gap in the papacy because as St. Ignatius way back in the early 2nd century says "where the bishop is there is the Church". As long as there are bishops who can elect a pope there is no problem. All you show with your thread is ignorance. But thanks for posting it.

I have completely destroyed your "small gap" theory. I have also shown that the Roman Catholic church's own CCC says:

• CCC 882 The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter's successor, 'is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful.' 'For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.'

How can the pope be "perpetual" and "visible" if he did not exist several times for at least 2 years at a time? Did Mary's so-called "perpetual" virginity also have "small gaps"??

:bday: :bday:

 

[Gary]

o my gosh

i dont think ive ever seen such an aimed attack at Catholism, even though it happens everyday

what was said on this forum has deeply and tatally offended me, ur trying to make out that because some ppl in the Catholic faith (i dont think that they can be called catholic if what they done is tru) that u can assume that we r all like this?....

No, you are not "all like this." This thread is about your popes. Read what the Bible says about elders and overseers. Then read what your popes have done in history. Then weep and QUESTION why you would follow men like that.

Yes, they may be called Catholic. But they they should not be called Christian. They are neither Christian nor Christian leaders.

:-?

Titus 1:6-9 An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient. Since an overseer is entrusted with God's work, he must be blamelessâ€â€not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain. Rather he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined. He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.

1 Timothy 3:1-7 Here is a trustworthy saying: If anyone sets his heart on being an overseer, he desires a noble task. Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him with proper respect. (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God's church?) He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil's trap.

 

[gingercat]

Yes, they may be called Catholic. But they they should not be called Christian. They are neither Christian nor Christian leaders.

end of quote;

Every time when I ask them if they are christian they always tell me they are cacholic instead of christisn. At least they are being honest about it.

 

[fatboyluis]

Gary Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:46 am Post subject:

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fatboyluis wrote:
o my gosh

i dont think ive ever seen such an aimed attack at Catholism, even though it happens everyday

what was said on this forum has deeply and tatally offended me, ur trying to make out that because some ppl in the Catholic faith (i dont think that they can be called catholic if what they done is tru) that u can assume that we r all like this?....



No, you are not "all like this." This thread is about your popes. Read what the Bible says about elders and overseers. Then read what your popes have done in history. Then weep and QUESTION why you would follow men like that.

Yes, they may be called Catholic. But they they should not be called Christian. They are neither Christian nor Christian leaders.

well gd, and tbh who is to say that we followed these guys? thats if they did what u say they did, u can even go against ur own parents if they ask u or force u to sin

so no one followed these guys, and when they spoke on faith and moral matters, if they spoke on any at all they spoke with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, so they were always infallible in faith and moral matters, but still we cannot turn our backs on the Pope and Jesus' church, if u do ur turning ur bak on Christ and His teachings and promise,

and thats it basically

God Bless :wink:

 

[thessalonian]

I can see this thread is not really about the OP. It is about prejudice, biggotry, ridcule, buffoonery, nonsense, and stupidity. I'll no longer participate in such a discussion where you can't even support your opening contention and are just looking for angles to slander and distort. I have exposed plenty of outright lies in this and the other thread already for anyone who is not a biggot. Now this thread is a venture in pearly casting and vipers.

D46,

I love how protestants post pictures of a sick old man who has done nothing but tried his best to serve Christ in his life, going through persecution and the threat of death to bring the Gospel to those in need who were being murdered and persecuted by the Nazis. one who put his life on the line going to the seminary because his love for Christ and his Chuch. You post a picture of him in his illeness hoping that people will be turned off and think he is evil because of his disabling and somewhat disfiguring desease he had latter in his life. You are truly a reprehensable biggot. I will not take that back no matter who asks me to. It is you that is evil.

My post had nothiing to do with John Paul at all...never would I make light of a mans age or sickness!!! If God should grant me err, these many years, I probably would look as he or worse myself. The discussion was about Isaiah 22 and about the "hats"...not about JP It just so happen that was the picture I had. I could have posted a shot of one of the other John Pauls or perhaps Pius XII as they all wore the same miter thus, my post about the hats. Reprehensable bigot? Well, at least I'm not a strawman or red herring this time! maybe I've made progress. No-I'm not evil. I will, however, attempt to bring about the truth in hopes someone will see light.

Apolgogies if I misrepresented your intent. That is not above Protestants to do such nasty things. i acknowledge your perhaps sincere intention, albeit misplaced, to bring people out of Catholicism. Deception is deception whether it is well intended or not however. Your insistence that your version of Catholicism is right and one who has studied it for 40 years doesn't know what Catholicism teaches is telling. Your twisting of the doctrines to make it easy for you to make them sound wicked is simple deception. It is sad. Why don't you post right out of the Catechism and then refute it honestly, rather than parroting the distortions of others and making up your own "Catholicism". You can't do it can you. What you do is bear false witness. Sad. I will pray more for you.