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[_ Old Earth _] 150th Anniversary of "Origin of Species"

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2009 Marks the 150th anniversary of Charles Darwin's "Origin of Species." When I discovered the celebration that was going on in the scientific community, I was dumbfounded to say the least. "What is so great about Darwin?" I asked myself. A better question was in fact, "Why does the scientific community at large have such a favorable bias toward a theory? It is after all, unproven." One might argue that the theory is a special case because parts of it are observable (e.g. micro-evolution). In fact, a disgruntled blogger became angered by another person's disbelief in the theory, saying, "Evolution is all around us!" I'm not so sure what he meant by "evolution is all around us," but as far as micro-evolution is concerned, I always thought of it as a natural process that had the word "evolution" slapped on it, perhaps as means by which to give macro-evolution more favor when it wasn't deserved. But that's just me.
As another example of Darwin's supposed greatness, some people may argue that Darwin contributed to society sociologically. I am very skeptical of this, however, because if Darwin made so many positive contributions to society in this respect, then why have some of the largest wars, bloodiest revolutions, and most evil doctrines occurred after his book's publication? I am not saying that Darwin contributed to these catastrophes (although he did influence some of them unintentionally). Rather, if Darwin's sociological contributions were so great, then why was the 20th century alone so plagued as it was with two world wars, multiple revolutions that destroyed Democracies and appointed tyrants, the Socialism that has so crippled Europe and strangles it to this day (if Europe had adopted Capitalism as Japan did, they wouldn't be dependent on the U.S.), and other less notable calamities?
Now one might argue that Christianity hasn't done much good either (supposing that I'm a Christian, as I am). My answer first is that the world does not follow Christian ethics, and to suppose that America is a a shining example of their use is a fallacy. Our culture of commercialism, sex and violence, and foul language is a strong indicator that we have gone astray, and it is a wonder why we have a rising crime rate despite the prisons we have built and the officers we have stationed. My second point is that while the Roma Empire was crumbling, the Church was thriving as a community. In fact, the pagans hated the Christians because their charitable efforts were more affective then theirs, saying that they brought shame to the temples. However, when the Catholic Church turned away from fundamental Christian principles and laws, things went to hell again. However, it was not another religion or form of doctrine that mended this problem, but the Reformation brought about by Christians, so Christianity does work. Third and finally, Christian ethics and values were never intended to bring about peace and prosperity. Jesus said, "Peace I give to you, not as the world gives peace do I give to you." Jesus went on to say, "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn
" 'a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law -
36a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.'[a]

To assume that Christian ethics were ever even intended to lead to peace and prosperity is false and not Biblical. The potential of the ethics and values is there, but man's capacity is not, and neither is it the goal.
However, man's efforts to perfect humanity by any means fail miserably, and our strongest efforts have lead to the most devastating wars and brought rise to history's most notorious dictators. But that's a subject for another day. I will conclude, that after 150 years of zero evidence, I don't get what the hype of evolution is all about, and if the most significant contribution to society that Darwin has ever made was the "discovery" that our ancestors threw poop at each other, then I don't wonder why people think that life is meaningless.
 
What is 'micro-evolution'? What mechanism can you identify that prevents 'micro-evolution' from becoming 'macro-evolution'? Other than this, your post seems mightily ill-informed and historically simplistic.
 
if Europe had adopted Capitalism as Japan did, they wouldn't be dependent on the U.S.

Europe invented capitalism.

You need to hit the books and learn about that, and many other things.
 
Listen, wise guy. I'm in a bad mood right now, so how about you get on with the topic instead of criticizing me about how many books I ought to read or learn from.
 
I'm in a pretty good mood right now. Kids were home for Christmas, midnight mass celebrates once more the birth of the King, and I have much to be thankful to Him for.

But the fact remains; you need to learn about some of this, before you tell us about it.

For example, laws and prisons and police do not mean a falling crime rate. And the violent crime rate is substantially lower then it was just a few years ago. And it's markedly lower than it was a hundred years ago.

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Just saying. The truth counts.
 
mr.barbarian as a pillager are you saying that you pillage less now then before?

My dad remembers leaving doors unocked in the city of miami in the 50's and 60's when he was kid. A friend of mine said the same about Brooklyn.
 
mr.barbarian as a pillager are you saying that you pillage less now then before?

Unfortunately, a good pillage takes planning and coordination. It's a real shame, the shabby job that passes for pillaging these days... ;)

My dad remembers leaving doors unocked in the city of miami in the 50's and 60's when he was kid. A friend of mine said the same about Brooklyn.

Fact is, if a burglar wants in your house, he can get in easily even if the door is locked. The primary advantage in a locked door is that if a burglar is caught, "breaking and entering" is more severely punished than unlawful entry.

The drug plague is primarily responsible for burglaries; I had an associate who was a former probation officer, and almost all of his burglary clients were former drug addicts. They gave him all sorts of tips on how to make his house look less attractive for a break-in. But, he said, they admitted that when they were really strung out, they'd lose all sense of caution, and go for what they could get.

As drug use declines, so have burglaries. The problem is, bad times also bring on more crime, and so we see it edging up a little right now. As employment goes up, burglaries will go down.
 
if someone on wants to break in to anything it can be done. Lock keep the honest man honest as my pastor used to say.

i have broken many wall locker locks with a big rock, prybar, and saw, and prybar. all in a manner of less than a minute on some. I have my lost keys all to many times.
 
Those crime rate statistics don't tell the whole story. It doesn't say whether class, race, or geographic locations were taken into account. What if, for the sake of argument, those statistics were only for a specific area? And what if they were all white, middle class citizens who were specified? Most violent crimes in America are comitted by lower class minorities, especially blacks. Finally, the chart does not indicate the cause of the falling rate.
 
Those crime rate statistics don't tell the whole story. It doesn't say whether class, race, or geographic locations were taken into account.

Nope. For the United States as a whole.

What if, for the sake of argument, those statistics were only for a specific area?

They aren't.

And what if they were all white, middle class citizens who were specified?

They aren't.

Most violent crimes in America are comitted by lower class minorities, especially blacks.

No. Most violent crimes are committed by whites. Check the FBI stats. It's true.

Finally, the chart does not indicate the cause of the falling rate.

True. But not knowing why doesn't mean it isn't happening.
 
I visited the site. Because we have a larger white population than minority populations, it is only natural that more white people will be arrested However, when analysing violent crime rate statistics by race, you have to take into account how many white people have been arrested or convicted out of the total white population. The same goes for blacks. I observed from this chart that of the total number of blacks arrested for certain crimes out of the total black population outnumber those of the white population.

If you observe the provided chart, more blacks were arrested for murder out of the total ethnic group. The same goes for aggravated assault. Now if we want to get very specific numbers then a calculator is apropriate, but I'm not very good at math. These things said, I don't have anything against black people, and we still haven't gotten to the bottom of why the rate fell. Here's the provided chart I was talking about:

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/data/table_43.html
 
I visited the site. Because we have a larger white population than minority populations, it is only natural that more white people will be arrested However, when analysing violent crime rate statistics by race, you have to take into account how many white people have been arrested or convicted out of the total white population. The same goes for blacks. I observed from this chart that of the total number of blacks arrested for certain crimes out of the total black population outnumber those of the white population.

It is also true that poor and uneducated people are more likely to commit violent crimes. In fact, wealthy and educated blacks are much less likely than poor, uneducated whites, to do so. Turns out it's not about race at all.

Maybe you don't "have anything against blacks", but your selective reading of statistics is hard to understand, otherwise.
 
"Selective reading"? I do not selectively read anything, and i'm very insulted that you accused me of so doing. And what do you mean by "otherwise"? Are you suggesting that I might be racist? I demand that you take back both of those remarks!
 
Are you suggesting that I might be racist?

I'm trying to interpret what you said, in a way that would not lead me to believe you are a racist. I'm puzzled as to why you interpreted the statistics in such an odd way.

I demand that you take back both of those remarks!

Perhaps you can explain your reasoning? That might clear it up.
 
Fair enough. Minorities often recieve a lot of slack, exemptions, excuses, etc. just because they are minorities. It seems like anybody who's a minority can make a grievance and recieve it just because he's a minority. Now here's where the stats fit in. I heared that according to police reports (this was about last year), minorities comitted more crimes than white people. Along with those statistics, minorities, particularly blacks, were charging the Los Angeles police with racism for arresting more blacks than whites. Now in all truthfulness, a lot of black communities have absent fathers, gangs, and drug use, and the government often tries to substitute fathers with loans, keeping black communities ever poorer and more ready to make grievances, so it's no surprise to me that more blacks are arrested than whites, who tend not to have as many absent fathers or a lot of gangs and drug use, and who do not depend on the government for a lot of loans and actually get jobs (jobs are the road to middle class living conditions). So accusing the police of racism was an outrage to me, and it affected me so much that to this day, whenever I hear people say that whites commit more crimes, I think of the Los Angeles police department who has to deal with gangs all day, so alarm bells go off in my head.
 
Fair enough. Minorities often recieve a lot of slack, exemptions, excuses, etc. just because they are minorities.

Think so?
A key part of the study was to discover how employers would respond to white applicants with conviction records, including drug busts, and black applicants who had no criminal background. The findings: White ex-cons were called back for interviews 17% of the time compared to 14% for crime-free black applicants.

Beyond race, a white-sounding name on an application is worth as much as an extra eight years of work experience, notes Marianne Bertrand, an economist at the University of Chicago.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Race+matt ... 0112647828

That's a lot worse than I thought it would be.

It seems like anybody who's a minority can make a grievance and recieve it just because he's a minority.

Think about if you had to deal with something like that. You'd be aggrieved, I think.

And while the LAPD has taken strong action to rid themselves of the relatively few bad apples, the process is still ongoing:

An independent examination of how the Los Angeles Police Department investigates officers accused of profiling people based on race, gender or sexual orientation found serious problems with a third of the sampled investigations, the inspector general for the L.A. Police Commission reported Tuesday.
http://www.streetgangs.com/cops/111009_ ... leged-bias

It's an incredibly tough job; we give them a huge amount of discretionary power, and then expect them to use it in a legal way every single time. The power requires that there be accountability.
 
I have seen some minorities in the military play the race card in order save themselves from punishment. They were in the wrong, but the chain of command failed to document them on their wrong doing and once the eo complaint is filed the punishment cant be meted out.
 
I have seen some minorities in the military play the race card in order save themselves from punishment. They were in the wrong, but the chain of command failed to document them on their wrong doing and once the eo complaint is filed the punishment cant be meted out.

In the AF, it was understood that if you filed one of those, your career was effectively stalled for good. It was a last resort only. If you messed up, and filed a grievance as a tactic, it only delayed things. I had one filed against me, when an airman asked one of my techs for "some points." I escorted him down to the Sgt. Major's office with the tech and he ended up getting a bad conduct discharge for that and other things. And I was called prejudiced. Didn't help him; didn't hurt me.
 
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