3rd dan test w/pics

[GojuBrian]

We share our school with two other schools, a BJJ instructor and a Muay Thai instructor.

We have integrated alot of these techiques into our goju school, naturally.

Our blackbelts are quite good with the ground game. ;)

How long have you done aikido?

 

[jasoncran]

4 yrs in the fugakakai system without about a year and half with a ushiba style, for a total of 5.5 yrs. I got my shodan in the fugakakai system. BTW what do you think of the ki concept, i know as a christian its nothing but a lie, but some of what calle ki in aikido is actually the appliacations of physics. This style of aikido merges great with bjj and judo at times( if you wind up not getting initial off balence). I'm asking about ki cause in some aikido circles it gets wierd. The are people who believe that aikido is philosophy that can be used every where, and that violence can be minimilized with out hurting the attaker. Not very practical in my opinion. Fortunalelty not many preach ki in my style of aikido and while aikido ideology imitates one biblical concept( turn your cheeck). Aikido is very defensive, and one learns not use strenght but the opponents momentum against him. Most aikidoka are pacicifists, while good not always practical, and sometimes you must take someone out. You as military understand.
You can't attack with aikido as you certain can with BJJ and judo and karatedo,MMA. All and all i like aikido.

jason

 

[GojuBrian]

4 yrs in the fugakakai system without about a year and half with a ushiba style, for a total of 5.5 yrs. I got my shodan in the fugakakai system. BTW what do you think of the ki concept, i know as a christian its nothing but a lie, but some of what calle ki in aikido is actually the applications of physics. This style of aikido merges great with bjj and judo at times( if you wind up not getting initial off balence). I'm asking about ki cause in some aikido circles it gets wierd. The are people who believe that aikido is philosophy that can be used every where, and that violence can be minimilized with out hurting the attaker. Not very practical in my opinion. Fortunalelty not many preach ki in my style of aikido and while aikido ideology imitates one biblical concept( turn your cheeck). Aikido is very defensive, and one learns not use strenght but the opponents momentum against him. Most aikidoka are pacicifists, while good not always practical, and sometimes you must take someone out. You as military understand.
You can't attack with aikido as you certain can with BJJ and judo and karatedo,MMA. All and all i like aikido.

jason

Yes ki/chi is very much mystical malarkey!! Check out this guy, he bought into his own bologney and so did his students. :D

[youtube:2itnvtry]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I[/youtube:2itnvtry]

LOL, I feel sorry for the guy really.

I understand the peaceful underlying concepts in aikido, thay are mostly present in judo as well. I did judo too and overall I like it, but our method of self defense is more effective. Judo has alot of great techniques than can be seen throughout karate kata.

As for BJJ, it's a great style and very effective for self defense. They sustain minimal damage while effectively stopping their attacker either through injury or compliance.

Check out the recent fight between Lyoto Machida and Rashad Evans. Good karate at work! Machida has won 15 straight,never lost a round, and gets hit rarely. What I like is a style where you can stop your attacker, but sustain minimal damage. I could really care less if my attacker gets hurt though.
What happens to him is entirely his fault imo.

 

[jasoncran]

it amazes me how people even after all years of mma(ufc) still follow that ki stuff. In karatedo what katas do you refer have judo techiques. BTW judo and BJJ are very close, often fighters cross over. I personally like BJJ more cause of the no gi stuff. While I like kata, i more like drills that you directly apply ( the arm bar drills , and the arm bar counter, into gogo plata, and then triangle choke.) A lot of the traditional arts worship kata, and I see value in them but the only way we learn how to apply our technique is to step into ring and try. The aikido style uses two men choreographed kata to teach principles and when they could possibly occur, and it also uses expounds on that through randori. Look up Karl Geiss and the KI-Hara. You may like or not it took me a while to see the good in that method. IMHO no art has all the answers and is perfect, and unless combat proven many are just opinons. Fugakai borrowed alot the judo training methods

 

[GojuBrian]

it amazes me how people even after all years of mma(ufc) still follow that ki stuff. In karatedo what katas do you refer have judo techiques. BTW judo and BJJ are very close, often fighters cross over. I personally like BJJ more cause of the no gi stuff. While I like kata, i more like drills that you directly apply ( the arm bar drills , and the arm bar counter, into gogo plata, and then triangle choke.) A lot of the traditional arts worship kata, and I see value in them but the only way we learn how to apply our technique is to step into ring and try. The aikido style uses two men choreographed kata to teach principles and when they could possibly occur, and it also uses expounds on that through randori. Look up Karl Geiss and the KI-Hara. You may like or not it took me a while to see the good in that method. IMHO no art has all the answers and is perfect, and unless combat proven many are just opinons. Fugakai borrowed alot the judo training methods

Yes, but you do actually apply kata in a fight,but most people only do karate for a little while before teaching,so there is a limited understanding from the get-go. I've been studying karate and kata since 1991. In that amount of time I have seen the value of putting kata into practice.

Judo also has the two man katas. Very neat to watch!

Karate kata are directly connected to self defense. The problem is not the kata itself,but the way kata is taught and trained by those with only a basic understanding of the moves. Just doing the kata is nothing more than a dance, you have to train and apply the kata into your fight.
Long ago students would learn one kata and drill that same kata for several years. Now, in your average corner dojo they "learn" a new kata every couple months,lol!! They're only learning how to do the kata physically without understanding the principles behind the techniques. I'm not talking about your basic -kick-punch application either. Kata has sweeps,throws,strikes,locks, and breaks. Most of these are "blocks" (uke)
"Uke" means to receive, so 'age uke' means high reception, but is referred to as a high block. I can give the direct application to the age uke or other"blocks" if you wish for details.
I'll refer to kata seiunchin as having judo type techniques. It has sweeps and throws directly in the kata. It also has a rear choke similar to the RNC.

Indeed, no style has all the answers, but good karate is very applicable to self defense as I have learned.

 

[jasoncran]

My old sensei in karatedo who had a hard time with the memorization kata called seiuchin christmas tree, and every time i think about that kata i remember that. I do believe katas have their place if i were to teach karatedo again . I would use them and the bunkai of them, I see value but sparring is essential and lets be homest most dojo use the kata for the sport form( not it that's not all bad). I did my share of point fighting and i learned some tricks, but i prefer the continous fighting method. Yes sparring is a drill, but it teaches how to apply the techniques. I don't have much time so to write so look back later envening as i'll edit this post.

one last thing i spent years learning kata i always liked gojoshiho dai, basai dai, sepai.
and my hombu dojo was big on kata, while my sensei liked the sparrind more, and our kata showed that, but the hombu guys(most of them at time) would hard pressed to beat us in the ring.

look gichin funagoshi up answer me back on why he came with shotokan and its cousins. You'll never look at karatedo the same again.

 

[GojuBrian]

My old sensei in karatedo who had a hard time with the memorization kata called seiuchin christmas tree, and every time i think about that kata i remember that. I do believe katas have their place if i were to teach karatedo again .

What style of karate did you learn and teach? How long did you do this? Shotokan?
Have you heard or do you know goju?

I would use them and the bunkai of them, I see value but sparring is essential and lets be honest most dojo use the kata for the sport form( not it that's not all bad).

Sparring is valuable, but you can't spar every day. You would be too injured to train very often if you spar correctly.

I did my share of point fighting and i learned some tricks, but i prefer the continous fighting method. Yes sparring is a drill, but it teaches how to apply the techniques. I don't have much time so to write so look back later evening as i'll edit this post.

Never had any use for point fighting, full contact is much more suitable to real life. Just because you "tag" someone first doesn't mean the fight is over.
Sparring is a drill??? When we spar we don't choreograph what we are going to do. Sparring is the application of techniques in a live environment,people tend to get hurt.

one last thing i spent years learning kata i always liked gojoshiho dai, basai dai, sepai.
and my hombu dojo was big on kata, while my sensei liked the sparring more, and our kata showed that, but the hombu guys(most of them at time) would hard pressed to beat us in the ring.

look gichin funagoshi up answer me back on why he came with shotokan and its cousins. You'll never look at karatedo the same again.

I suspect you spent years learning how to do those kata,but not how to apply them.

I've read lots on Funakoshi, "Father of karate." What are you expecting me to see?

Look up ian abernethy, you'll never look at kata the same.

Here ya go: http://www.ianabernethy.com/articles/article_home.asp

Not exactly like our style, but very similar concepts.

 

[jasoncran]

Back, in my day i studied ryokokai ( a shotokan art modified and with some aikido, iado, and other arts, by a man named katsumi nikira. He is still alive, and he has student in stuart, fl( actually a ukedishi, a disciple who lived with sensei nikira.) This art is very traditonal out of japan and the student's name is Dennis Fritschie. My sensei,Charles Clendenning in my hometown originally taugt TKD, a non sport type, and the both the founder and his sabonim died, and he started to look for another person to learn from. Then came in Fritschie Sensei we( all Charlies student converted over in 1990). I've been studied on and off since 1987( at 14). I tested with Fritschie for Shodan in 1991, and it 45 minutes of hell. I'll expound on this test later as he pushed his testee to total exhaustion and looks for if the person who quits( and fails). Fritschie later 1994, while staying in good relations with Nikira sensei, broke off the association. Periodically Nikira sensei comes down to teach and give seminars with aikido(ueshiba style, he was tested by the founder of aikido), and karate-do. I also was in the aikido system then as well under Fritschie.

Fritschie is excellent in my opinon as a ma because he's practical. He believes in kata, and one steps. Ippon kumite. But he does much more and imho this is where is respect him. He teaches at the local law enforcement academy. He also share and teaches(incorporated those experciences). Years ago , don't know if he still does this he advised that in the street the karate-do one step (onepunch, strike will not stop the attacker), And incorporated boxing/kickboxing into the art. He did full contact fighting as well. He aslo allowed the mixing of aikido/karatedo, and other concepts into what was called budo. It required that one be a shodan in Aikido or Karate-do. It makes the yudanshi more rounded. Karated do is weak inmho opinion when dealing with a grappler(graps, pulls and heavily commited attacks, and aikdio is weak against the karatedo/ boxer type attacks)I learned that from the budo training.

Now onto the kata issue. kata are great , but like Bruce lee says what done years ago may not work today. If I wanted to learn about grappling i go to a grappling art and If i want to learn about striking i go to a striking art then i go to a striking art. That's not to say one can't mix or add to one reportior.
No we didn't spar every day, back then we trained three days a week, and for three hours with no ac
We also used all gear and did moderate/ light contact, though some of us opted for full contact once in awhile. Sparing is a drill in the sense that the attacks are more like a fight, which does happen, but lets be real, most attacks are to rob, rape, kill, etc. Does your sparring end the ground with submission or mma like drills. When i stopped karate-do, my sensei was heading in that direction. You also don't wear a gi in a fight either. Do you include the knife in your sparring, like some of the kali/jkd,arnis arts do.
That imho why sparring is a drill.

Now back to kata, I see them as a drill that teaches how to move your center, strike,block, etc. it also teaches one how to use fluid shock(takes time to develop). It also teaches one focus on thing yet be aware of one's ( the army calls that situational awareness)surroundings. All good things, but most dojo like you said don't spend time on kata, but rather push belts. One should not be a black belt in less than three unless one is exceptional. I think your dojo(Khory-ryu) is like that? I would also thank you for seeing somethings in walking kata( the first kata one learns in fugakakai aikido). Most dojos aound me don't have black belt classes and with what one I know i don't mind teaching but i also liked to be taught. Not that i'm all that and can't learn. I just want to get more into bjj and or mma ere i'm too old.


I will look up gichin funagoshi philosophy for you and put the link on, and i will also include jigoro kano.

funagoshi link(1) more to follow this first one explains some of what i said.

http://www.gichinfunakoshi.com/gichin.htm

http://web.utah.edu/ska/funakosh.html
the above link is quotes and not to denegrate karate-do, I was wanted show that is more a way life than practicaclity at times. I used to be all about the ki thing a philosophy and the lord jesus delivered me. I do know christians that know karate, but aren't at our level.

now on to judo and jiggoro kano

It should be noted to read the whole history i just picked this page
http://www.bstkd.com/JudoHistory/HistoryFive.htm

Yes i remember some of the kata bunkai( I remember jodan uke(you call that age uke) as a strike,its strike the arm as pressure point, it's usually taught a staff defense,sorry i move if im able than block a staff. I've also seen it taught enter in like an aikido(ushiba, fugakai, and my favorite way) technique.
I used to break boards with (rebreakable type) with soto uke(chudan uke) and gedan uke. The blocks can be interpreted as parrys(barai) as well, and that if one knows that is the beauty of kata. I just don't see many dojos teaching that concept, karate-do should be taught as a combat art( prepare for conflict, but avoid if possible). Many dojos are more worried about keeping the doors open than necessary having quality belts(imho).

I'm not knocking kano and funagoshi and will comment on your kata link later. I just want you understand where i'm coming from

in jesus

Jason.

 

[GojuBrian]

Back, in my day i studied ryokokai ( a shotokan art modified and with some aikido, iado, and other arts, by a man named katsumi nikira. He is still alive, and he has student in stuart, fl( actually a ukedishi, a disciple who lived with sensei nikira.) This art is very traditonal out of japan and the student's name is Dennis Fritschie. My sensei,Charles Clendenning in my hometown originally taugt TKD, a non sport type, and the both the founder and his sabonim died, and he started to look for another person to learn from. Then came in Fritschie Sensei we( all Charlies student converted over in 1990). I've been studied on and off since 1987( at 14). I tested with Fritschie for Shodan in 1991, and it 45 minutes of hell. I'll expound on this test later as he pushed his testee to total exhaustion and looks for if the person who quits( and fails). Fritschie later 1994, while staying in good relations with Nikira sensei, broke off the association. Periodically Nikira sensei comes down to teach and give seminars with aikido(ueshiba style, he was tested by the founder of aikido), and karate-do. I also was in the aikido system then as well under Fritschie.

Thanks for the background. In our system we have an age requirement of 18yrs old and a training time of 5yrs. Our last few blackbelts were 6yr students before receivein shodan. They would have been o their way to san dan is some systems. The tests are four hours long and every class after green belt could be grueling and push limits, as it should be imo.

Fritschie is excellent in my opinon as a ma because he's practical. He believes in kata, and one steps. Ippon kumite. But he does much more and imho this is where is respect him. He teaches at the local law enforcement academy. He also share and teaches(incorporated those experciences). Years ago , don't know if he still does this he advised that in the street the karate-do one step (onepunch, strike will not stop the attacker), And incorporated boxing/kickboxing into the art. He did full contact fighting as well. He aslo allowed the mixing of aikido/karatedo, and other concepts into what was called budo. It required that one be a shodan in Aikido or Karate-do. It makes the yudanshi more rounded. Karated do is weak inmho opinion when dealing with a grappler(graps, pulls and heavily commited attacks, and aikdio is weak against the karatedo/ boxer type attacks)I learned that from the budo training.

One of my instructors is a SWAT member(Randy) and his brother and fellow bb is an FBI agent. We have incorporated many aspects from different arts into our system. Every style from the beginning has been doing this, hence there are no pure styles and you can see many similarities when you crosstrain.

Mainstream karatedo is weak against grapplers? Agreed! Good karate? nope.

Now onto the kata issue. kata are great , but like Bruce lee says what done years ago may not work today. If I wanted to learn about grappling i go to a grappling art and If i want to learn about striking i go to a striking art then i go to a striking art. That's not to say one can't mix or add to one reportior.
No we didn't spar every day, back then we trained three days a week, and for three hours with no ac
We also used all gear and did moderate/ light contact, though some of us opted for full contact once in awhile. Sparing is a drill in the sense that the attacks are more like a fight, which does happen, but lets be real, most attacks are to rob, rape, kill, etc. Does your sparring end the ground with submission or mma like drills. When i stopped karate-do, my sensei was heading in that direction. You also don't wear a gi in a fight either. Do you include the knife in your sparring, like some of the kali/jkd,arnis arts do.
That imho why sparring is a drill.

Our sparring is done on different levels. We employ pure stand-up, pure grappling, and a mix of both which can lead to ground submissions. We do have knife and stick drills and we realize the danger when weapons or multiple attackers are implemented and must be trained accordingly for food self defense.
Do you employ guns into your drill,lol? I have several my fav carry is a .40 xd subcompact shown here.

Here in Arkansas we have ccw permits availiable so good combat handgun training pretty much trumps everything else,but that's another matter. :D

Now back to kata, I see them as a drill that teaches how to move your center, strike,block, etc. it also teaches one how to use fluid shock(takes time to develop). It also teaches one focus on thing yet be aware of one's ( the army calls that situational awareness)surroundings. All good things, but most dojo like you said don't spend time on kata, but rather push belts.

If that was all we could learn from kata we would not use them, but like I said good training for the most part has been lost to good kata 'doing'. There are better ways to learn those things you mentioned imo.

One should not be a black belt in less than three unless one is exceptional. I think your dojo(Khory-ryu) is like that? I would also thank you for seeing somethings in walking kata( the first kata one learns in fugakakai aikido). Most dojos aound me don't have black belt classes and with what one I know i don't mind teaching but i also liked to be taught. Not that i'm all that and can't learn. I just want to get more into bjj and or mma ere i'm too old.

I like and respect bjj and have learned much from it, but karate has more to teach if the curriculum was cut back to a smaller skillset instead of focusing on the entire style of learning 1000 techniques,lol. Look at muay thai. It's a very effective striking art because of live training and focusing on a smaller skillset that say jujitsu or most karate styles.
How many throws do olympic judoka use on a regular basis? 5 or 6 at most, but they are taught 60 or more! Focusing on the smaller skillset is the key imo.

I will look up gichin funagoshi philosophy for you and put the link on, and i will also include jigoro kano.

funagoshi link(1) more to follow this first one explains some of what i said.

http://www.gichinfunakoshi.com/gichin.htm

http://web.utah.edu/ska/funakosh.html
the above link is quotes and not to denegrate karate-do, I was wanted show that is more a way life than practicaclity at times. I used to be all about the ki thing a philosophy and the lord jesus delivered me. I do know christians that know karate, but aren't at our level.

I agree,but on the other hand karate can be what you make it and even a way to lead young people to christ!! The most important thing of all!! I used to be completely caught up in the philosophy, but lie you, I saw the light.

now on to judo and jiggoro kano

It should be noted to read the whole history i just picked this page
http://www.bstkd.com/JudoHistory/HistoryFive.htm

Yes i remember some of the kata bunkai( I remember jodan uke(you call that age uke) as a strike,its strike the arm as pressure point, it's usually taught a staff defense,sorry i move if im able than block a staff.

Ouch!! Blocking a staff with an arm is just asking for a broken arm. I'll go into detail what age uke is used for in our style, perhaps you will see value in it.

I've also seen it taught enter in like an aikido(ushiba, fugakai, and my favorite way) technique.
I used to break boards with (rebreakable type) with soto uke(chudan uke) and gedan uke. The blocks can be interpreted as parrys(barai) as well, and that if one knows that is the beauty of kata. I just don't see many dojos teaching that concept, karate-do should be taught as a combat art( prepare for conflict, but avoid if possible). Many dojos are more worried about keeping the doors open than necessary having quality belts(imho).

I'm not knocking kano and funagoshi and will comment on your kata link later. I just want you understand where i'm coming from

in jesus

Jason.

Great talking with you jason. I'll go into detail about the age uke for you later on. We mostly agree on what martiaal arts is about and should be for. I wish we could train together sometime!!

in jesus!!

Brian

 

[jasoncran]

I was thinking that , BTW i just heard that BJJ for me maybe coming back. I'm glad. I agree with you and even my Bjj instructor said that about the techniques. He focused more on movement(passing the guard, and hip escape, and other movements.) You can't dominate if your opponent has a good guard, and he said if you move well things fall in place. He always taught that you pick your favorite techniques and make them your own. I will love to hear your view on (age uke) and other bunkai. I told a co worker about you as he's shodan in the same system as I am. I was also taught by Charlie, that at black belt you should start devolop your own style ( methodology). What say you.? What I mean my coworker is bigger than me and uses his hands better than me( he has more power as well). I was then smaller than him and could out kick him and was a sticker and mover. Each of of Charlie's BBelts have a unique way unto themselves of using their art. So few people see it that way, and that is what JKD was really about, not everyone is the same.

 

[GojuBrian]

I was thinking that , BTW i just heard that BJJ for me maybe coming back. I'm glad.

I hope you get to do bjj. I'm not too into it, but they are always asking me to get on the mat aat my sons judo school. A bjj stylist will submit a pure karate stylist most times out.

I agree with you and even my Bjj instructor said that about the techniques. He focused more on movement(passing the guard, and hip escape, and other movements.) You can't dominate if your opponent has a good guard, and he said if you move well things fall in place. He always taught that you pick your favorite techniques and make them your own.

Every good fighter from Chuck norris to Lyoto Machida has done that. With a whole plethera of karate techniques to choose from, a karateka usually only relies on a handful of them.

I will love to hear your view on (age uke) and other bunkai.

These guys have a pretty good take on it, very similar.

[youtube:27kc5vsx]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mONeR9ISmdM[/youtube:27kc5vsx]



There are lots of podcasts from these guys you may find valuable. These techniques can be applied with resistance as well as used in sparring.

I believe a good self defense technique should be used to end the attack immediately.

The problems with age uke being used to block a downward block are multiple:

1. your arm would be broken or injured
2. It leaves your chambered hand useless
3. it doesn't utilize two-way action
4. it leaves you wide open to counters
5. it relies on power against power instead of technique against aggression

This relates to most interpretations of blocks that are not the answer to good self defense.

I told a co worker about you as he's shodan in the same system as I am. I was also taught by Charlie, that at black belt you should start devolop your own style ( methodology). What say you.?

Not as a beginner blackbelt, but after a good understanding of martial arts definitely.

What I mean my coworker is bigger than me and uses his hands better than me( he has more power as well). I was then smaller than him and could out kick him and was a sticker and mover. Each of of Charlie's BBelts have a unique way unto themselves of using their art. So few people see it that way, and that is what JKD was really about, not everyone is the same.

Yes, exactly. You take what you can out of the art and conform it to your own body mechanics. The way you move will vary from the way anyone else moves. Two fighters of the same style may look very different if properly trained.

looking forward to more!!

may God bless!

Brian

 

[jasoncran]

Yes i agree but lets be reminded of the fact that it was the japanese that taught Americans wrong. I was informed by Fritschie sensei and his sensei Katsumi Nikura. To be honest Sense Clendening( Charlie) felt that blocks were effective against inexpercienced fighters, but against more expercienced ones no. He then adopted the slips, blocks, weaves,and footwork from both Boxing and Aikido. This was also driven by Fritschie when he wanted a more full contact way of doing things. Charlie used the inside blocks against me if didn't move( he would fake then right cross). I learned how to stop that using the boxing block and would counter, or move if I felt he was too quick. I would in turn use that against white belts in other styles( had to practice someway). Moving if possible makes being hit a lot harder, logically.

Yes, I agree no beginner black belt should begin to do that and I didn't until at least three years as a shodan. Unfortunalety most styles the shodan either doesn't learn or teaches himself. On a related i learned more from an older nidan that was slow and had bad knees than someone who was lighting fast. His name was Jim Oliver, and he would study his opponents and pick them apart by looking for patterns, telegraphs, and being a good counter puncher. I took me a couple years to finally get to that, last time we sparred it was chess match. He was also good at catching kicks, and the aikido foot movements.

 

[GojuBrian]

Yes i agree but lets be reminded of the fact that it was the japanese that taught Americans wrong.

Sorry, what did you agree with?

I was informed by Fritschie sensei and his sensei Katsumi Nikura. To be honest Sense Clendening( Charlie) felt that blocks were effective against inexpercienced fighters, but against more expercienced ones no. He then adopted the slips, blocks, weaves,and footwork from both Boxing and Aikido. This was also driven by Fritschie when he wanted a more full contact way of doing things. Charlie used the inside blocks against me if didn't move( he would fake then right cross). I learned how to stop that using the boxing block and would counter, or move if I felt he was too quick. I would in turn use that against white belts in other styles( had to practice someway). Moving if possible makes being hit a lot harder, logically.

Yep, "Best no be there." lol

Yes, I agree no beginner black belt should begin to do that and I didn't until at least three years as a shodan. Unfortunalety most styles the shodan either doesn't learn or teaches himself. On a related i learned more from an older nidan that was slow and had bad knees than someone who was lighting fast. His name was Jim Oliver, and he would study his opponents and pick them apart by looking for patterns, telegraphs, and being a good counter puncher. I took me a couple years to finally get to that, last time we sparred it was chess match. He was also good at catching kicks, and the aikido foot movements.

Takes a long time to get good at timing and distance,evading and intercepting. For the first few years most people just use speed and power. That's why Machida is so good, he has all the concepts down.

Have you seen his fights? http://www.mmascraps.com/

 

[jasoncran]

Remeber that most early karatedo senseis in Japan were vets of wwII AND we won. You think they might be a little bitter! If you look at the older sensei in Japan most were Japenses compared to there more Americans( I mean above the rank godan). ie. To the day my grandfather he hated the Japenese. I bet ya they ( the Japs) are the same. This logic can be applied to the Filipino arts as well. When I dappled in Arnis the instructor Kelley S Worden often spoke that the Filipos were hateful to Americans and ofter wouldn't teach them. I really don't understand that one but a friend of mine from the Philipines ( now a U.S. citizen) said that's true. BTW Arnis(Modern Arnis) is taught in high school instead of phys ed, I wish our country would adopt some martial art to be taught in highschool, maybe bjj(mma is good but i see some liabilites with that)

Katsumi Nikira was ranked by Morei Ueshyba, the founder of Aikido. Few dojos in the U.S. could claim that direct lineage. I would continue that style of aikido, but a 50 mile on way trip is a late diificult for me to train and learn. Fugakakai is good system, I'll post on the style Steven Seageal Aikido later,and yes there's a system he teaches and there's a dojo in Orlando, FL St.Louis, MO

 

[GojuBrian]

Remeber that most early karatedo senseis in Japan were vets of wwII AND we won. You think they might be a little bitter! If you look at the older sensei in Japan most were Japenses compared to there more Americans( I mean above the rank godan). ie. To the day my grandfather he hated the Japenese. I bet ya they ( the Japs) are the same. This logic can be applied to the Filipino arts as well. When I dappled in Arnis the instructor Kelley S Worden often spoke that the Filipos were hateful to Americans and ofter wouldn't teach them. I really don't understand that one but a friend of mine from the Philipines ( now a U.S. citizen) said that's true. BTW Arnis(Modern Arnis) is taught in high school instead of phys ed, I wish our country would adopt some martial art to be taught in highschool, maybe bjj(mma is good but i see some liabilites with that)

I agree, it's kind of hard to follow you because you answer, but don't quote,lol. :crazy

Katsumi Nikira was ranked by Morei Ueshyba, the founder of Aikido. Few dojos in the U.S. could claim that direct lineage. I would continue that style of aikido, but a 50 mile on way trip is a late diificult for me to train and learn. Fugakakai is good system, I'll post on the style Steven Seageal Aikido later,and yes there's a system he teaches and there's a dojo in Orlando, FL St.Louis, MO

Well, lineage does not relate to superiority or inferiority of any art or style in my opinion. I have dealt with 'lineage snobs' before,lol. They think the older or more pure their lineage, the more effective fighting style it must be.

Looking forward to that seagull video. :D

Is it of him beating his x-wives or girlfriends? :eyebrow

 

[GojuBrian]

Where's the Segal video jason? :P

 

[jasoncran]

oops i forget let look when i get back from playing gi joe and post, good lord i haven't looked at this post in a long time.

 

[GojuBrian]

Me either, but it is a good discussion!

 

[jasoncran]

quick find on seagal aikido, some good info we could discuss the advantages of aikido and its father arts,judo, aikijujtisu, and the distance relative bjj.
we could invade jedi as the sword comes in to play when talking bout aikido as it used in all to teach the art of throwing better.

http://suzi-340.tripod.com/id20.html