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8 teachings from Jesus
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You strawman the Trinity. Three PERSONS, one God.
You belittle God with unitarianism. Humans are one person, so they try to knock God to their level.
unitarianism is a sham.
So far, you have barely if at all defended your beliefs, rather, made assertions. :/
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Its history fact. Its ones who say--no God i refuse to be like the Bereans and make sure of all things that remain in darkness. You place blame on the JW,s for what is 100% true life recorded history that cannot be denied.
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The 8 teachings from Jesus i posted shows who is who.
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Its history facts-Jerome removed Gods name from the OT in nearly 6800 spots and replaced it with GOD or LORD. He as well told the Catholic leader that Gods name belongs in the NT as well. All the spots( over 200) quoted from the OT in the NT where the name belongs in the OT. This is recorded history facts.
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Paul an inspired bible writer= 1 Cor 8:5-6--He begins by warning -ALL other gods are false then names only the Father as being God.
John 17:3--Jesus clearly teaches-The one who sent him( Father) is THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
Jesus warned all of you-John 15:20-21--On account of his name( thinking they are standing for it) they would do things against the true followers=WHY? Because they do not know the one who sent him= Father= THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
Jesus' real teachers on earth teach those facts.
False teachers do not match the words of Jesus and Paul.
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All who love God do exactly as he commands=Be like the Bereans and make sure of all things--So knowing that you love God and listen to his wise advice checked to see if my words are wrong or right= right? Afterall eternal life is on the line.
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The Bereans searched the scriptures to "make sure of all things", those not fair minded search Watchtower Publications or other human traditions:
These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so. (Acts 17:11 NKJ)
When human traditions are proposed rather than the truth of Scripture it is a "folly manifest to all", which explains why such posts have no effect:
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith;
9 but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was. (2 Tim. 3:8-9 NKJ)
One of the most devilish deceptions Satan employs is taking tiny snippets of scripture---often using ellipses to remove contrary words, to subtlety make it appear God's Word agrees with his lie. The Watchtower betrays the spirit inspiring it, by profusely misquoting scripture giving it the semblance of truth.
Charles Taze Russell the founder of the Watchtower knew, if JWs read the Bible alone as did the Bereans, they would soon be "ex-JWs":
"Furthermore, not only do we find that people cannot see the divine plan in studying the Bible by itself, but we see, also, that if anyone lays the SCRIPTURE STUDIES aside, even after he has used them, after he has become familiar with them, after he has read them for ten years---if he then lays them aside and ignores them and goes to the Bible alone, though he has understood his Bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness."-The Watchtower, from Sept. 15, 1910
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We are taught EVERY utterance from God out of the bible. Yes we as well use bible based publications that explain what the bible teaches along with the bible. We are taught to read the bible daily.
The darkness condemns our watchtower magazine, yet worldwide each sunday a JW gets the same spiritual feeding using bible based publications along with the bible. It keeps us-Unified in thought( all of Gods 1 truth) no division( 1 Cor 1:10)= a true mark of Jesus' one religion. We as well discuss 2 or 3 bible chapters worldwide each week. This week is Psalm 57-59--next week= Psalm 60-62--etc it NEVER stops. How else can man live by EVERY utterance from God unless those taking the lead teach EVERY utterance from God to the flock?
History of religions, true God worship history are delved into as well.
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Total unity in thought is a sign of brainwashing, even the disciples had differences of opinion:
39 Then the contention became so sharp that they parted from one another. And so Barnabas took Mark and sailed to Cyprus;
40 but Paul chose Silas and departed, being commended by the brethren to the grace of God.
41 And he went through Syria and Cilicia, strengthening the churches. (Acts 15:39-16:1 NKJ)
Disagreement is normal and within the scope of God's Plan:
For there must also be factions among you, that those who are approved may be recognized among you. (1 Cor. 11:19 NKJ)
Total unity is unnatural indicating the suppression of truth in unrighteousness.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, (Rom. 1:18 NKJ)
The Watchtower weaves "misquoted scripture" in with their lies to suppress God's' truth---a serious violation of God's command not to add human words, to His:
"You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. (Deut. 4:2 NKJ)
They intermix their lies with scripture truth so well JWs prefer reading the Watchtower above the Scripture, and in their hearts believe the Watchtower text is "the word of God".
Examples of misquotes, lies and deception in Watchtower publications
Examples of various techniques to mislead, such as misquotes, lies and deception in Watchtower publications
jwfacts.com
That "strong delusion" is evident every where JWs go, quoting Watchtower Publications as though they are the "Word of God."
However, it is not:
"Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it. (Deut. 12:32-13:1 NKJ)
46 "But why do you call Me`Lord, Lord,' and do not do the things which I say?
47 "Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like:
48 "He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was founded on the rock.
49 "But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it fell. And the ruin of that house was great." (Lk. 6:46-49 NKJ)
13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
14 "Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. (Matt. 7:13-14 NKJ)
Jesus is the Narrow Gate, the only way to God. He alone is our Teacher. For all practical purposes JWs believe the Watchtower is their father and they heed only it:
9 "Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
10 "And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. (Matt. 23:9-10 NKJ)
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You seem confused. Jesus is the head of the congregation. He appoints the ones taking the lead in his 1 religion=Matt 24:45, one must listen to them the same as listening to Jesus and God( Luke 10:16)-- (1Cor 1:10=Unity of thought-no division) proving your theory false.
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Not since I became a born again Christian. But as a JW, I was often confused.
For example:
When I was questioned whether I knew enough of JW doctrine to be baptized, I was asked: "What do you believe about baptism?" Immediately, this text came to mind:
3 Or do you not know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus+ were baptized into his death? 4 So we were buried with him through our baptism into his death, in order that just as Christ was raised up from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also should walk in a newness of life.-Romans 6:3-4 NWT
"I am buried with Christ, and raised with Christ!" I thought I "aced" it, but he replied "You have more study to do" and enrolled me in discipleship training.
That was confusing. I didn't realize JWs don't believe the Bible, they believe the Watchtower Magazine which has plagiarized God's Word in its articles, creating the delusion the entire piece is "the Word of God."
More JW confusion:
Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Amen. Rev. 1:7 NWT
As all the tribes of the earth see Christ's coming, and they don't have "spiritual eyes that can see the hidden things of God", they must see Christ coming visibly with the clouds of heaven---only then would they be overcome with fear and grief, because the sight of what their physical eyes saw was too intense.
But JWs don't believe that. They claim the entire earth, infested with unbelieving pagans, didn't see what they alone saw with their spiritual eyes, Christ entering the inner rooms to take authority!
23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look! Here is the Christ,’ or, ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false Christs and false prophets+ will arise and will perform great signs and wonders so as to mislead,+ if possible, even the chosen ones. 25 Look! I have forewarned you. 26 Therefore, if people say to you, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the presence* of the Son of man will be. 28 Wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.- Matthew 24:23-28 NWT
As a JW, all this was confusing. But as a Christian I believe scripture's explanation Satan disguises himself and his ministers as angels Light:
14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works. (2 Cor. 11:14-15 NKJ)
By incorporating snips of God's Word and redefining terminology, the Word of the Watchtower seems like the Word of God to JWs.
I thank God He pulled me out of the JWs, saving me years of servitude to darkness thinking it was light.
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Were you a baptized ex JW? Before we go any further.
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Never baptized therefore I am not anathema to JWs. I am a person of good will who believes the Bible, not the Watchtower.
Look in the mirror. You proved unable to answer my objections to JW doctrine, now you seek a reason to "disfellowship" me. But I was never baptized into the "fellowship", therefore you cannot.
The "Watchtower Society" commands YOU to go the extra mile, to win back a wayward sheep.
To accomplish the word of the Watchtower, go back to my many responses to you and prove, by the scriptures alone, I am wrong about anything.
Then you will have won back "a brother."
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. (2 Tim. 3:16-4:1 NKJ)
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I don't seek a reason to disfellowship you. You know its the rules we cannot speak to ex baptized ones.
I won't go back, ask a question, 1 at a time.
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I wasn't baptized so no rules are being broken talking to me.
A "critical thinker" would ponder possible motives why they don't want JWs speaking to ex-JWs, especially when its not violating the rules laid down by Christ and His apostles:
15 "Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.
16 "But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that`by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.'
17 "And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector. (Matt. 18:15-17 NKJ)
Frequently cited refs (sorted by frequency)
Lev 19:17 `You shall not hate your brother in your heart. You shall surely rebuke your neighbor, and not bear sin because of him.
2Th 3:15 Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.
Luk 17:3 "Take heed to yourselves. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him.
Gal 6:1 Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted.
Jam 5:19 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back,
Less frequently cited refs
Pro 25:9 Debate your case with your neighbor, And do not disclose the secret to another;
Psa 141:5 Let the righteous strike me; It shall be a kindness. And let him rebuke me; It shall be as excellent oil; Let my head not refuse it. For still my prayer is against the deeds of the wicked.
Mat 18:35 "So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses."
Luk 17:4 "And if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times in a day returns to you, saying, `I repent, you shall forgive him."
1Co 9:19 For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win the more;
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.
Tit 2:15 Speak these things, exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no one despise you.
Tit 3:10 Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition,
Jam 5:20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.
1Pe 3:1 Wives, likewise, be submissive to your own husbands, that even if some do not obey the word, they, without a word, may be won by the conduct of their wives,
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In the OT the unrepentent were stoned to death. God changed that to disfellowshipping= At Matt 10:34-36-Jesus assures that even family members become enemies=Why? Because they become Gods enemies( spiritually, not physically) At 1 Cor 5:9-13--It says of the unrepentent( once called a brother= baptized) do not even eat a meal with the such.--Means have nothing to do with them basically. At Titus 1:13= reprove with severity---
Sure the disfellowshipped do not like it, but its better than Gods judgement in the OT. Now they can repent and turn around.
JW has borne many bad fruit.