Bible Study A Bible Study On Abortion

[reba]

Sure by example..

 

[jasonc]

Salt is a preservative. However, it doesn't prevent decay, but does slow the decay.

Q: Should Christians be in controlling, directing, and influencing the behavior of other people?

Law enforcement is a lot of that.if you don't see that ,perhaps where you live should have an outreach.speed laws are In faCT that.we aren't arguing over whether or not a power shouldn't have that type of influence but rather how much influence. I'm not suggesting a theocracy but some must be for the common good.Schools do this.

 

[Jim Parker]

Here is Wikipedia
Specifically look under "Decline" heading for the precise information.

You will be pleasantly surprised to see what I am saying is true.

The article says that the major export of the city was "the medicinal herb silphium, used as an abortifacient;" but there is no connection made to Simon of Cyrene. So, It is only plausible.

jim

 

[JohnDB]

The article says that the major export of the city was "the medicinal herb silphium, used as an abortifacient;" but there is no connection made to Simon of Cyrene. So, It is only plausible.

jim

Yeah....a Jewish guy from a city whose chief export is abortifactant, is found in the marketplace (via delarosa is a trip through the heart of the marketplace)
And isn't "liked" so he is made to help carry a condemned man's cross.

Abortifactant was only needed by those who were cheating on husbands or unmarried daughters. Yeah...for soldiers who were away from home and wives this guy was a great scape goat to blame. If he wasn't selling abortifactant in the marketplace his money was likely involved in that trade somehow.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Occupy by being the salt and light on this earth. Beware of the dominion theology that the church must take control of the seven major spheres of influence in society for the glory of Christ.

Here are the seven mountains, according to the seven mountain mandate:
1) Education
2) Religion
3) Family
4) Business
5) Government/Military
6) Arts/Entertainment
7) Media

These seven sectors of society are thought to mold the way everyone thinks and behaves. So, to tackle societal change, these seven “mountains” must be transformed. The mountains are also referred to as “pillars,” “shapers,” “molders,” and “spheres.” Those who follow the seven mountain mandate speak of “occupying” the mountains, “invading” the culture, and “transforming” society.



see gotquestions.com for more: "What is the seven mountain mandate (7-M / 7M), and is it biblical?"

I agree we should endeavor toward these goals but the perpetual defeatists have read or have heard the end of the story of God and will, forever, cry why, all is lost, read the Book.

 

[for_his_glory]

Here is Wikipedia
Specifically look under "Decline" heading for the precise information.

You will be pleasantly surprised to see what I am saying is true.

Thank you for sharing that as it was interesting to read that even way back then abortions were preformed

 

[th1b.taylor]

Thank you for sharing that as it was interesting to read that even way back then abortions were preformed

I grew up with the image of coat hangers being used in pitch-black alleys in NY and Chicago and it was considered a horrible thing. Today the child, a baby human is burned with salt solution or is pulled to pieces with Forceps or if alive after the Satanic Abuse, it is left, kicking and screaming until it dies in a closet. And this humane?

 

[for_his_glory]

I grew up with the image of coat hangers being used in pitch-black alleys in NY and Chicago and it was considered a horrible thing. Today the child, a baby human is burned with salt solution or is pulled to pieces with Forceps or if alive after the Satanic Abuse, it is left, kicking and screaming until it dies in a closet. And this humane?

I have always had these same images too and have seen the detailed pictures of how various types of abortions are performed and it makes me sick to my stomach that people are so callous when it comes to destroying a life that is created by God as all life has a purpose.

 

[th1b.taylor]

I think abortions are less common in countries with more anti-poverty programs

CE,
this is how I got into trouble the last time and it appears you were not also warned. This is a Bible study and your opinion, just as mine, matters not to what God has said and set as standards for the god-like man to use as his or her standard. I gave a study in the OP and the topic of the study is the OP, please stick to the topic and leave opinions on other matters out.

If you wish to dispute God's Word it is incumbent upon you to use factual and true stats that, by the way, will affect the Word Of God and God in no manner.

 

[for_his_glory]

I know a Christian ¿couple? that support abortion in spite and do mean in spite, of what God has said. And the most frightening part is they teach the youth when and where they go to Church. Satan has invaded the Church.

It's shocking how the church can be so politically correct as they have left God and His word out on the curb.

 

[Jim Parker]

Yeah....a Jewish guy from a city whose chief export is abortifactant, is found in the marketplace (via delarosa is a trip through the heart of the marketplace)
And isn't "liked" so he is made to help carry a condemned man's cross.

Abortifactant was only needed by those who were cheating on husbands or unmarried daughters. Yeah...for soldiers who were away from home and wives this guy was a great scape goat to blame. If he wasn't selling abortifactant in the marketplace his money was likely involved in that trade somehow.

I certainly can't refute any of that.
But it is circumstantial evidence and speculation.
He may have just as easily been a devout Jew who had come to Jerusalem for the feast.

 

[reba]

Out side of rape sex is a choice. Sex out side of marriage is sin . Men and women should act responsible and teach children to act responsible... Sure that is idealistic. Being old enough to remember the days before THE PILL we girls often said NO because we knew the possible consequences of sex..

1Co_6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Pro 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

The unborn child did not commit the sin... yet so many justify not giving s/he a right to live.

You know what's really, really sad? Society blames the woman who aborts. But society doesn't want to help her $$$, help the kid $$$, and then society will lavish money on the kid...in juvenile facilities, in prison

Those women who use abortion as birth control i do blame... The ones who have been sold a pack of lies i do not blame ... Months after the fact 'Sally 'was crying " i hear my baby crying" see at the last minute she tried to get away from PPH they kept her.. Those around her told her it is just tissue etc... I personally know this girl and comforted her .. Working at the High school one meets lots of kids She was a happy kid smiling all the time . involved with the things of high school .. after the abortion she was with drawn sad crying often... I have seen her for years..
Society spends zillions on aid to children.. More then money those kids need their father in the home.

 

[jasonc]

A lot of abortions are because of poverty. Its not as if most women jump at the chance to abort a baby...its a decision that occurs in a social context. I think abortions are less common in countries with more anti-poverty programs, living wages, less inequality, etc.

Still immoral, of course, but...I think if we put people into context its easier to show compassion and think of ways to help. Liberty University, for instance, has a place where young, unwed (future) mothers can live and receive healthcare...when the baby is born, adoptions are arranged. I think they offer the young women free or reduced tuition at Liberty, too, which is a very good idea.

I dunno. I mean, I'm a) not heterosexual and b) male, so this is not something I'll ever have to deal with personally, but...I can see where these women are coming from. Not only do they lack options, what would become of the kid, if it were born? The US is an increasingly harsh society, especially if you're poor or working class. Minimal upward mobility, rising education costs, "the school to prison pipe line..."

The foster care system is brutal. Kids get abused, kids get doped up by doctors, then they're discarded. Family systems have broken down over the years, too. Churches...I mean, some of them will help, but from what I've seen...there's a real limit to what they can do and also ((in many cases)) to what they will do, who they will help.

You know what's really, really sad? Society blames the woman who aborts. But society doesn't want to help her $$$, help the kid $$$, and then society will lavish money on the kid...in juvenile facilities, in prison.

My financial status doesn't justify murder in God's eyes.Raise any kid and you won't have much time nor money ,unless you are mega rich.my brother choose to let his house go rather then loose time with his children. They are better off for it.He lost income and had a tough choice to make .

He know by the grace of God is rema tried to a far better woman and has two more kids and one grandson.He raised his kids to know Jesus.one has gone astray.

 

[jasonc]

Using the same argument presented I could justify Euthanasia as Nursing Homes are very lonely and wrough with Elderly abuse.

 

[Jim Parker]

It is a standard response of the immoral, insane, liberal left that pro-life people are evil because they condemn a woman for murdering her child(ren) by abortion but won't help her feed, house, clothe, educate, and raise the child(ren).

Murder of innocent human beings is an atrocity in which pro-death abortion promoters are guilty of participation along with the doctors who perform them and the women who seek to murder their child(ren) by abortion.

The raising of children is the responsibility of the parents and the child's extended family.

It is not the responsibility of the community to support the unbridled fornication, illegitimacy, and irresponsibility which immoral and irrational behaviors are so enthusiastically promoted by the People's Socialist Demi-KKK-rat Partei, the party of death.

IMO, Those who claim to be Christian and yet promote what God has so clearly condemned are delusional and in immediate danger of the fires of hell.

But that's just me..............

iakov the fool 2

 

[JohnDB]

A lot of abortions are because of poverty. Its not as if most women jump at the chance to abort a baby...its a decision that occurs in a social context. I think abortions are less common in countries with more anti-poverty programs, living wages, less inequality, etc.

Still immoral, of course, but...I think if we put people into context its easier to show compassion and think of ways to help. Liberty University, for instance, has a place where young, unwed (future) mothers can live and receive healthcare...when the baby is born, adoptions are arranged. I think they offer the young women free or reduced tuition at Liberty, too, which is a very good idea.

I dunno. I mean, I'm a) not heterosexual and b) male, so this is not something I'll ever have to deal with personally, but...I can see where these women are coming from. Not only do they lack options, what would become of the kid, if it were born? The US is an increasingly harsh society, especially if you're poor or working class. Minimal upward mobility, rising education costs, "the school to prison pipe line..."

The foster care system is brutal. Kids get abused, kids get doped up by doctors, then they're discarded. Family systems have broken down over the years, too. Churches...I mean, some of them will help, but from what I've seen...there's a real limit to what they can do and also ((in many cases)) to what they will do, who they will help.

You know what's really, really sad? Society blames the woman who aborts. But society doesn't want to help her $$$, help the kid $$$, and then society will lavish money on the kid...in juvenile facilities, in prison.

Do you have any surveys or statistics to support what you are saying?

I have seen a ton stating and showing that this is simply not the case.
Today, most women have children out of wedlock (from low to middle class) to gain access to the men's income. Each child by a different father will gain them 1/3 of a father's income...providing them with more than enough paternal support so they really don't need a job whatsoever. All court ordered and really legal.

And then there are the waiting lists for babies. Mature, Stable homes all waiting for an infant to adopt. The average infant adoption costing roughly $40,000-$70,000 or more....just for the baby...never mind the other costs. There is a waiting line that is really long for any infant adoption. (Black, White, Hispanic, Asian, or Mediterranean)

 

[JohnDB]

In Tennessee, There were 66,000+ live births but also 12,800+ abortions. (average year...four years ago)
One in five pregnancies is terminated in TN.
That number is really horrendous.

And we have no border with Mexico...where the live birth to abortion rate is worse.
Are we getting the picture yet?

OH...edited to add this LINK

 

[th1b.taylor]

In Tennessee, There were 66,000+ live births but also 12,800+ abortions. (average year...four years ago)
One in five pregnancies is terminated in TN.
That number is really horrendous.

And we have no border with Mexico...where the live birth to abortion rate is worse.
Are we getting the picture yet?

OH...edited to add this LINK

I got it a long time ago but when a person closes their mind to God they can rationalize the most horrible things. One dose of reality and they will die of shame but they keep reality at arm's length.

 

[th1b.taylor]

In complete honesty this discussion is such a dishonor to my Heavenly Father. I provided a good Bible Study and person after person is ignoring what God has to say there is one and only one opinion that matters, God's.

In Gen 1:27 God explained the basis for His forbidding Murder/Abortion and none of you seem able to address this key verse, let alone the study.

Honestly, do any of you, even, know this string is in the Bible Study Forum? Have any of you any knowledge of the Special Requirements for posting in this forum? Are any of you Christ-like enough to even care what the rules are?

I got my rear end addressed for the original and the intended title and then each of you comes in here acting like a bunch of trail haggard drunk cowboys and I ask, Have any of you been dressed down for acting like an unruly mob?

 

[Jim Parker]

A lot of abortions are because of poverty. Its not as if most women jump at the chance to abort a baby...its a decision that occurs in a social context. I think abortions are less common in countries with more anti-poverty programs, living wages, less inequality, etc.

If you think that then you have bought the progressive line of propaganda.
The abortion industry was instigated and founded by Margaret Sanger who saw it as white civilization's duty to reduce the number of non-white births in order to clear the "undesirable undergrowth from the garden of humanity."

The most common social unit to be living in poverty in the USA is a single mother. The acceptance of fornication as a natural and healthy practice that is promoted by our society, media, and education system promotes and insures the continuation of that impoverished single mom household.

But it is the individual woman's choice to kill her baby.
The fact that the government, the abortion industry, and the progressive/socialist sector of the society all promote the murder of infants simply makes them co-defendants at the judgment seat of the Lord.