A good thief?

[lovely]

This thread reminds me of a thread last year when we were discussing if it was ever right to tell a lie. I can't think of the title.

Hosea 6:6 comes to mind, God desires mercy not sacrifice. I would try to never steal, but if my children were starving I probably would steal food for them if I were forced to.

I don't think stealing from the rich to give to the poor is justified in and of itself, though.

The Lord bless all of you.

 

[Rick W]

Potluck we are in violent agreement. Darn, nuthin' to fight over..... :D

lol

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Well Drew, that's great!

But the thread isn't over. Someone else will pick up the bucket of grenades we dropped. :smt080 Can't leave a perfectly good grenade go to waste you know. :-D

 

[stovebolts]

yup, that there was just darn tooten funny... Sombody call me an ambulance, don't think I can breath I'm a laughun so dern hard... :smt016

 

[Veritas]

TanNinety wrote:
When it comes to "preservation of life", I agree that Yashuah said one can bend the scriptural rules. For example, if a lady knocks on my door petrified and asking for refuge from thugs who are out to get her, then I can hide her and bear false witness to the thugs even though it would be breaking one of the 10 commandments. Yet I somehow feel that God is not going to jump down my throat and hold me accountable for it.

I don't think God is going to jump down your throat either. You bring up a good point.

Remember Rahab? She hid Joshua's scouts and lied to the king of Jericho so that the king could not kill them. Joshua 2:2-7 When the Lord delivered Jericho into destruction by the Israelites, Rahab and her family were spared. Joshua 6:22-25

I think there is a key point here in why the Lord spared Rahab.

This is what she said:
I know that the LORD has given this land to you and that a great fear of you has fallen on us, so that all who live in this country are melting in fear because of you. We have heard how the LORD dried up the water of the Red Sea for you when you came out of Egypt, and what you did to Sihon and Og, the two kings of the Amorites east of the Jordan, whom you completely destroyed. When we heard of it, our hearts melted and everyone's courage failed because of you, for the LORD your God is God in heaven above and on the earth below.Joshua 2:9-11

She had already put her trust in the Lord, there was no question in her mind that the Lord was going to carry out His plan.

Its still wrong that Rahab lied, but God, in His grace, forgave her of that, and, in His grace, acknowledged her faith in Him.

So, in your example, I think a point can be made that you trust that the Lord meant us to value life. A point very well backed up by scripture.

Therefore, He will forgive you for that lie to the thugs. You were faithful to the Lord by saving her life, and you will be rewarded for your faithfullness to Him.

 

[Newkid00]

Now I'll put my two cents in. I think it's okay for someone to steal if and only it's for the poor and the needy. Money that could possibly save their life.

 

[mutzrein]

ridiculous answer. This is why many Christians are steryotyped as racist hateful people.

Peace - I think Christians should be 'Christians' (in inverted commas). There are many who say they are Christians but who are not in fact Christ like.

 

[Oscar3]

Oh goodness gracious. I am reading these threads correctly :-?

Why am I not surprised to see Tan, Drew and peace4none condoning stealing. This is ridiculas. Wait until Jay T gets a hold of you guys :wink:

For now I will sit here and laugh at you guys :-D

 

[peace4all]

Oh goodness gracious. I am reading these threads correctly :-?

Why am I not surprised to see Tan, Drew and peace4none condoning stealing. This is ridiculas. Wait until Jay T gets a hold of you guys :wink:

For now I will sit here and laugh at you guys :-D

would you steal a gun from someones car, to shoot a terrorist before he murdered your family?

Would you steal food from a dumpster, to feed your family if they were starving to death?

 

[Dave...]

Thou shalt not steal

That about says it all.

I agree that Yashuah said one can bend the scriptural rule

Not the moral laws. There is a difference between the moral law, and the laws that were unique to Israel, or even the laws of the scribes and pharisees. Jesus never taught to break the commandments, in fact, just the opposite.

The intentions of the person stealing could not be good because he knew that he was sinning against God. If it's not of faith, it's not of God, then it's not good. But God can bring good out of it.

Peace.

 

[Oscar3]

would you steal a gun from someones car, to shoot a terrorist before he murdered your family?

No. It is appointed onto man once to die and then the judgement.
As For my my familly we will sit on the Judgement seat of Christ and you will sit on the great white thrown.

Also you are a hypocrite. Speaking of murdering a person when you call yourself peace4all. What a Riot. : You true colors are out.

Would you steal food from a dumpster, to feed your family if they were starving to death?

Again no. I would ask the folks who the dumpster belongs to or I will simply get a job mopping floors if I have to.

 

[peace4all]

there are certainly circumstances where you would steal for your familly. I will guarantee it.

 

[jgredline]

OK, While I agree that stealing is 100% wrong and I can't find a reason to justify stealing anything, Hows about if I through this into the mix....

Is it ever ok to lie? What about Rahab?

If its ok to lie, why not steal?

Just spicing things up a bit.... :wink:

 

[Rick W]

would you steal a gun from someones car, to shoot a terrorist before he murdered your family?

Would you steal food from a dumpster, to feed your family if they were starving to death?

That's why there are people called "judges". Now, I understand most judges aren't getting their wisdom from God but it IS against secular law to steal and kill. I can assure you there will be some penalty exacted because you broke into the judge's car to get his 44.

My point is this:
Moses got God's laws, passed them to the people and stood in judgment over them. The burden became too big for him to bear himself so he delegated others, of Godly report, to judge in his stead. Moses would then be free to decide the larger issues.
Those judges used God's law as a premise to do their duties. The people were to abide by that authority for God would judge those appointed who were to follow in His ways, His laws.

I'm quite sure somewhere along the line there would be those "grey areas" such as dumpster diving for a free meal, lying to some thugs at the door of an old woman's tent or a bow missing from someone's chariot that was used to fend off a rabid goat. So it would be the judge's duty to decide the issue and mete out the proper punishment as he saw fit.

 

[Atonement]

There is no such thing as a good thief. Its like saying there are good muslims.

I find this and other quotes made by people on here very offensive. I been away for awhile, so as I come back and find a thread full of anger, I question the logic behind many of your post.. Please refrain from making personal comments on someone's race, sex and religion.. Thank you


-Atone