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A Important Marriage Question Curious To What You Think

Lewis W, did you see my response to your post earlier at the bottom of page 1 of this thread?


Thank you Solo, this has been an interesting discussion. I'm still curious though how you would answer those 3 questions and what your opinion of annulling a marriage is. Here they were...

A few questions I'd like to ask,

Can a paraplegic or quadraplegic who is that way prior to marriage, actually be married?
Do you believe in annulling a marriage?
Is it possible for a future husband and wife to have pre-marital sex with each other?
 
A few questions I'd like to ask,

Can a paraplegic or quadraplegic who is that way prior to marriage, actually be married?
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Surely in man's sight. And also in Gods sight, for God states that it is the 'mind' that 'knows' Christ, or the wife. Christ [know's] all the issue!
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Do you believe in annulling a marriage?
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No, I find no place for a Converted person to un/know God & still be faithful.
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Is it possible for a future husband and wife to have pre-marital sex with each other?
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Surely. But God's Inspired Word of.. 'do thy will, but marry', is again seen as conditional, we are to uphold the laws of Caesar where it is OK!.

Now: I am not the party asked of your questions. But this is my take on the subject.
And even in divorce, which you did not mention, there are numerous adultery reasons for a justifiable divorce, (& that are creditable) that could be stated. Pertaining to Christians only.
--John
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what does being a paraplege and a quadraplege have to do with marrying?
 
I'm a second wife, my husband was married 8 years and has two children by a previous marriage.
Him and his ex lived heathen lifestyles, and after the divorce the children had to live with a drug induced alcoholic mother.
I met my husband 3 years after his divorce, neither one of us was walking with the Lord.
I know without a doubt that God put us together because of the fruits that have came from our union...Had he stayed where he was he would probably have destroyed himself the same way his ex has almost destroyed herself.
We both got saved after we were married because we wanted something better than our previous lifestyles. Btw, I brought a child into the marriage from a previous relationship also, except I wasn't married to the man that I had the child with.
As a result of our marriage, his children have been brought up in the church and taught in the ways of God and so have mine...Even though his kids would have to go back home to a totally different life than they had at 'dads' house, they still could see the difference....Now they are almost grown and are great kids.
I think its absolutely riduculous that someone would think me or my husband are committing adulty. We sure can see the plan of God in our marriage.
Meeting the right person even after previous mistakes can literaly make the difference between heaven and hell.
Alot of "heathen" marriages aren't arranged by God but by our own rebellious flesh, after we learn our lesson and get out is when God gives us what he wanted us to have all along had we waited and obeyed Him.
I believe it is wrong for two ((believers)) to harden their hearts and divorce, that is completely wrong.
I believe that every effort should be made to work things out when children are involved whether saved or unsaved.
But, there can sometimes be circumstances that are totally destructive to stay in.
 
re:remarriage

i know this by heart because in my religion you can get disfellowshipped for adultry if you dont pay attention,if you are divoced,either you or your ex has to engage in adultry because as far as god is concerned the only scriptural release from marriage is adultry or death.and it doesnt matter if your exspouse was a christian or not those are the scriptural rules
 
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stansenemy said:
i know this by heart because in my religion you can get disfellowshipped for adultry if you dont pay attention,if you are divoced,either you or your ex has to engage in adultry because as far as god is concerned the only scriptural release from marriage is adultry or death.and it doesnt matter if your exspouse was a christian or not those are the scriptural rules
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I think theres one in there about a spouse who is a believer being able to divorce an unbelieving spouse in certain circumstances.
I also remember Jesus was picked on for not keeping the sabbath under certain ridiculous situations.
Legalism stinks when it defies all common sense.
 
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stansenemy said:
i know this by heart because in my religion you can get disfellowshipped for adultry if you dont pay attention,if you are divoced,either you or your ex has to engage in adultry because as far as god is concerned the only scriptural release from marriage is adultry or death.and it doesnt matter if your exspouse was a christian or not those are the scriptural rules
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glad im not part of that church. disfellowshipped on a technicality. i understand sin has a communal nature, but thats kind of ridiculous.
 
And what of this scripture also...

1 Corinthians 7:15 (KJV) But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

If someone chooses to leave you, you can't do much about it.You cannot prevent it, and you are to submit to it patiently, and bear it as a Christian. Religion is suppose to be peaceful. It would prevent contentions and broils. If it cannot be obtained by living together, there should be a peaceful separation; and where such a separation has taken place, the one which has departed should be suffered to remain separate in peace. God has called us to live in peace with all if we can. This is the general principle of Christianity on which we are always to act.

My wife left me in favor of taking care of her son who had a mental breakdown and was ultimately going to be put away. The choice was either that, or someone would have to stay with him 24/7 for the rest of his life. He lived 45 miles away and since mothers do what most mothers would or may have done in this circumstance, she left me to take care of him and devote her life to caring forhim. Was I bitter? You bet your life I was. I couldn't prevent it from happening, though. I was left out in the cold wondering what to do. There was nothing I could do or say as I tried that for four years thinking she may eventually put him in a hospital and come back to me. She never did and divorced me because she didn't think it was right that I should have to live the way I was and still be married.

So, could I remarry under these circumstances at some point in time? I honestly don't know for sure and still be in good standing with God. At 60, I don't know who'd want me anyway! :lol:
 
Well, I read the bible, but my memory doesnt work itself into chapters and verses. But I find the easiest things to find refernces from is the Catholic Church, due to their organization.

So, from the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
It can happen that one of the spouses is the innocent victim of a divorce decreed by civil law; this spouse therefore has not contravened the moral law. There is a considerable difference between a spouse who has sincerely tried to be faithful to the sacrament of marriage and is unjustly abandoned, and one who through his own grave fault destroys a canonically valid marriage. CCC 2386
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So it seems in my reading that Mark 10:11-12 "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another, commits adultery against her;and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery," stands true except for when it is beyond your control. The verse speaks against the active divorcer of the couple, not the passive divorcee. Because there is a difference between just and unjust leaving, and God is a just and merciful God, I would posit that D46 would be free to remarry because it was beyond his control, however, should he decide to live his days celibately, it only further unites him to the celibate Christ.
 
If I enter into an agreement with you and only you...then am I to be held responsible for whatever rules, say your husband wishes to place on our agreement? No...I'm not bound to him, I'm bound to you through our agreement.

I think marriage is much the same way. It's only a covenant with God if WE make it so...we have to ask him, seek Him, and include him...We make our promises to and before him...If we don't do that and we get legally married to someone, then do you really think He's sitting there going "ok look she just broke her covenant with me"...and I'd be like "what covenant?...I aint promised you nothing" (I hope I'm making sense?)

In other words...I don't believe non-Christians are held to the same standards we are...Let's remember who the audience was when the subject of divorce and remarriage came up...the Church...not the unsaved, but the saved. We are to hold marriage as a sacred covenant because it directly symbolizes the relationship of Christ to us.

To me, marriage is a covenant between God, a man, and a woman. Without one of those parties being in agreement, it is not a Biblical marriage in my opinion.

There are many legally binding marriages that are probably not Biblical.
There are many Biblical marriages that aren't legally binding.

Hypothetical situations ---

Person A is unsaved and commits many, many sins and crimes...rape, promiscuity, robbery, etc. and finally comes to know the Lord at the age of 40....meets someone, falls in love and gets married...professing vows in front of God and to God.

We'd say "wonderful!" huh? I mean, that's GREAT news. He's no longer committing crimes, he's no longer running around, he's a child of God trying not to sin. BRAVO!

Person B is unsaved and got married at a very young age. The marriage didn't work out so they get divorced. Ten years later he gives his life to the Lord and tries to start anew...He reads his Bible and learns about the covenant of marriage and how sacred it is and he feels great remorse for the choices he's made in life ... He's already confessed and repented so he IS forgiven, yet he can't even find a church to be a member of because he is a divorcee.

How is that furthering the Kingdom?

Hey...you can kill, you can rape, you can commit ANY sin and it be completely forgiven and you will be made pure, but you'd better hope you never divorced in your "wilder" days because there's no redeeming that...?

I just for the life of me have never understood the mentality that some people portray about marriage and divorce. Yes, I've read the verses, and I've studied and I've researched, but I still just do not come to the same conclusions as some people do.

When God says that He forgives...that He cleanses...that He purifies...that he "makes all things new" and that we are a "new creation"...He means it! Our past does not define us. Amen!
 
Thats what happens when you get wrapped up in legalism.
 
Divorce & remarriage is the sin against the Holy Ghost some seem to think? :roll: Yet, the Word says: "To break one Commandment is to break them all" James 2:8-12 :crying: Granted, when one is living in sin knowingly, it is not the same as trying to live above & beyond sin. See Psalms 19:13. (known false doctrines included! Mark 7:7)

Your post is very well Scriptually presented! Then too, there are many 'forms' of adultary. And in that 'spiritual' sense we see that Christ was divorced by His first 'bride' & was choosen by another replacement!
(and you folks be careful what you are thinking about that word replacement & me!) Acts 2:47, Matthew 10:5-6 & Matthew 23:38 & John 1:11 for starters. :crying:

---John
 
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