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A question on remarriage

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caromurp said:
Ok, everybody just calm down a minute. There's no need to get angry with any one here. If we can't discuss things civily there's no point in discussing at all. Let's not forget we are ALL supposed to represent Christ.
I agree, caromurp (what is that btw :-) )
I didnt see any need for shad to start yelling. Im simply presenting the facts as I see them.
It always seems to spiral down to personal assaults for whatever reason in these MDR threads...one reason I hate them because I have a very hard time not responding in kind when it starts.
Now, lets all put our oppinions back in our pockets and look at scripture again.
Well, on that point we have to keep our opinions out in the open because in all actuality we are simply giving our opinion of what scripture is saying, kwim :)
Padion layed out some comments on what Paul had written, but no one seems to have answered him at all. Is there nothing to be said concerning his post?
which one was it ?
If I agreed with it most likely I wouldnt have said much :)
 
I personally don't care for the bible's opinion on the subject. My father just celebrated his fourth anniversary with his new wife. My mother lost her 10 year battle with breast cancer in '02 and my father took it as you would expect. I told myself I would not move out of that house until he found at least a friend his age to spend time with. He came to me crying one night and asked how I would feel about him asking a woman from church on a date and I told him all I wanted was for him to be happy.

At the time he was 60 or 61 and she was in her mid to late 50s. She had divorced her drunk of a husband years before and left with nothing but $10,000. I believe two of her three daughters at the time were already away from home with families of their own. She's an absolutely amazing woman. (She doesn't like squirrels but whatever..) She and my mother would have been best friends I'm sure of it and she is ALWAYS respectful of my feelings and sometimes even gets a little two sensitive around the new mom/real mom thing which is not terrible.

Anyway, my point is marriage is just a word with a stupid piece of paper attached. Love and devotion centered relationships are an optional privilege and no matter what may come between two people I believe there is NO reason why they should not seek happiness elsewhere.
 
While Im very happy for your father and wish him all the best, I think that maybe you havent understood that possibly the bible doesnt prohibit him from marrying as he did, so theres no reason for you to not care what the bible says in the matter.
Honesty, you should care VERY much about what it says because it tells us what God expects from us.

I am so sorry for the loss of your mother. I lost my father in a very tragic way some years back.

May your father have many blessed years with his wife. :)
 
I'm just saying if it disagrees with the happiness of my father or my stepmother I wouldn't care what it has to say about the matter. And from what I've read in this thread she should have reconciled with her former husband? I completely disagree.

And thank you by the way. I'm sorry to hear about your father as well.
 
animal said:
I'm just saying if it disagrees with the happiness of my father or my stepmother I wouldn't care what it has to say about the matter. And from what I've read in this thread she should have reconciled with her former husband? I completely disagree.
Honestly thats not the bible as a whole that youre hearing from a few here.
Think about false Prosperity teachings that basically use God for a slot machine. They have some pretty 'clear' scriptures to support their views, but when you look at the WHOLE bible it becomes really clear that they are really distorting the tar out of those passages and the intent and context of them.
Its really the exact same thing here with posts from some such as lastblast7 and shad.
Ive been at this issue for almost 5 solid years now, pretty much spend my days in continual study of it, and I can assure you with 100% certainty that these views arent in line with Gods WHOLE word any more than someone telling you that if you send them $1000 God WILL return your investment 100 fold.
Its the same sort of half truths and outright distortions of scripture.
And thank you by the way. I'm sorry to hear about your father as well.
YOure very welcome and thank you as well.
My wife had a breast cancer scare when we first met so I share in your feelings on that as well. Its frightening whether a person is a christian or not.

God bless you brother. Go give your father and step mother a huge hug and forget all about the nonsense in this thread.
:)
 
Although many of you are making good points on your views on weather remarriage is allowed. No one has really addressed where it says that if you divorce you are to remain single. Those scriptures seam to be quite clear to me. What scriptures show that it is ok to remarry while your first spouse is still alive? Is there any thing spacific? Shouldn't we be able to back up our thoughts with scripture and not just opinion?

Someone on here said that I have already made up my mind. For my life I know that I will never marry again if my husband and i were to split up. I would pray for reconcilliation. No matter what the situation. I married for life.

My reason for asking all this is because My mother is in what I believe the bible would call an adulterous marriage because she married my step-father while my father(Her first Marriage) was still alive. I am asking all this because I want to understand how this relates to her in her situation? WHere exactly does it say she can remarry?

Can someone please show me the scriptures?
 
skylene said:
Although many of you are making good points on your views on weather remarriage is allowed. No one has really addressed where it says that if you divorce you are to remain single.
Uh...yeah...I did..and it was just on the previous page where you asked the SAME exact thing.

That command is ONLY to those who deserted EQUALLY yoked marriages as PROVEN by the very next verse..."BUT to the REST" where to whom Paul says CLEARLY that HE is speaking, not the Lord.


NO offense to you but it gets REALLY annoying to hear the constant assertion that we havent dealt with something because someone refuses to read and understand what weve said.
Heres a link again and Ill post the whole article immediately again too for your viewing convenience :)
READERS SEE->Click->>> "Remain Unmarried or reconcile†vs "not in bondage"

TWO groups there, S...one EQUALLY yoked group WITH commandment from the Lord to remain UNmarried or reconcile and a SECOND UNequally yoked group, the REST(ie the remainder) of believers with NO such commandment from the Lord who are also given concession not given to the former group.
Can someone please show me the scriptures?
Will you read the points made this time and try to understand them ?
================

"Remain Unmarried or reconcile†vs "not in bondage"
by Wm Tipton

Assertions/Conclusions of this Article
We will show briefly that the commandment of the Lord to ‘remain unmarried or reconcile’ is NOT a blanket commandment in all marital situations where a breaking of the marriage is taking place, but is instead directed to two believers who have left their marriage without just cause, and that Paul also had no commandment for those marriages that weren’t equally yoked, didnt given the same instruction to these who were married to an unbeliever, not having any commandment from the Lord in the matter, and then also offered a concession not given to those who were equally yoked to another believer who had left their marriage for whatever frivolous reason.

Supporting Evidence

Firstly lets look at the actual passages
"And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. (1Co 7:10-11 KJV)
vs
"But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. (1Co 7:12- * KJV)

1.0
"Remain Unmarried or reconcileâ€Â

"And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord,

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist or brain surgeon or even a biblical scholar to look at that passage as a whole to see that Paul is speaking to two groups there. The first being those where obviously both the husband and the wife are both listening since Paul addresses both of them therein.
This idea is made absolute by Pauls making a clear distinction in his next words in saying “BUT TO THE REST SPEAK I, NOT THE LORD†where he shows clearly that he is now speaking to ‘the rest’ of married couples who do not fall into whatever category as the first group fell. These are defined as being those who are married to someone who ‘believeth not’ which we understand as as ‘unequally yoked’ marriage.

Notice that Paul makes it very clear that to these who ARENT married to someone who ‘believeth not’ that he isnt speaking, but the Lord is giving commandment to these.
Easy enough concept to see, to understand and to accept for those reading and being honest enough to let the words say what they simply state.

To these who arent married to someone who ‘believed not’, these are married to someone who instead is a believer. They cannot be anything else or otherwise Pauls words “BUT TO THE REST†when he speaks to the rest who are married make no logical sense whatsoever.
These in verses 7:10-11 MUST be those who are NOT married to someone who ‘believeth not’ but MUST be to those marriages where the person being spoken to is married to a believer. Being honest with ourselves, we accept the targets of these words to be those marriages where both persons are a believer...ie ‘equally yoked’.

To these, Paul shows that the Lord has given commandment if they depart to remain unmarried (ARAMOC/agamos/single/unwed) or reconcile with the man she leftâ€Â
This makes logical sense and harmonizes quite well with Gods whole word and is even completely logical even if we set scripture aside for a moment.
These are two people who have compatible beliefs who, for whatever reason, have left their marriage who, as christians, should be quite interested in working together as ALL believers in Christ should be doing in order to be in harmony with one another.
BOTH of these persons, as followers of Jesus Christ, having entered a marital covenant and having set it aside for whatever frivolous reasonings, should be willing to work together to reunite what they created together previously and set aside without just cause.
The Lord has commanded these two believers to remain unmarried or reconcile this marriage cast away without just cause (as historical evidence of Corinth is quite capable of showing. That area was not exactly morally sound).


2.0
"not in bondage"

"But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not,

Now we move on ‘to the rest’....to those marriages where Paul is addressing the believer who is married to one who ‘believeth not’.

This is the greek for the ‘rest’...

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Thayer Definition:
1) remaining, the rest
1a) the rest of any number or class under consideration
1b) with a certain distinction and contrast, the rest, who are not of a specific class or number
1c) the rest of the things that remain

These ‘rest’ are those that remain of the groups under consideration, which are clearly those whoare ‘married’. This ‘rest’ are those who are married to unbelievers, clearly indicating that the groups being spoken to in verses 7:10-11 are those who are believers married to believers...in other words, equally yoked.
Since the ‘rest’ are those who are Unequally yoked, logically there is no way that that Paul is speaking to ‘the rest’ in verses 7:10-11 then turning right around and addressing ‘the rest’ again starting in verse 7:12.

To ‘the rest’ who are clearly believers unequally yoked to unbelievers Paul has no commandment of the Lord but is clearly speaking his own mind in the matter. Believing that Paul may not be speaking by direct commandment, we still accept that he is speaking by inspiration of the Holy Spirit and thus his words are ‘law’ for these married to an unbelieving spouse.

Firstly we notice that Pauls words offer a more conditional tone.
“IF a brother has a wife who is pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her awayâ€Â.
If this brother is married to an unbelieving wife who wants to live in peace with him, then he should not put her away.
This church had asked questions of Paul and based on Pauls response its easy to determine that they must have believed that if they became born again, that somehow they were defiled by being with an unbelieving husband.
Paul lets them know in this passage that that isnt the case. The unbelieving spouse is sanctified by the believer (in a physical or spiritual ‘cleaness’ type of manner, not meaning a free ride to heaven without repentance or anything like that).
These clearly were under the impression that it might be ok to just walk out of a marriage if they became saved, yet their spouse did not.
Paul straightens out this erroneous viewpoint and lets them know that if the the unbeliever is mutually ‘pleased’ along with the believer and wants to remain in the marriage, then they arent to put them away, and may even be key to their spouses salvation.

Paul then goes on to give concession not given to the two believers above.
First there was no commandment at all from the Lord to these as with the equally yoked marriage, but Paul now tells these that if the unbeliever wishes to depart the marriage that the believer isnt in bondage to this marriage.

Instead of repeating other studies here, please see these articles:
"Let not man Put Asunder" vs "let the unbeliever depart"
Does the bible permit putting away a spouse for abuse?

Now, these folks will casually leave out that Paul gives instruction to TWO different married groups there and try to apply 1 Cor 7:10-11 to ALL marriages, but this makes Pauls statement of ‘BUT TO THE REST†and everything that follows completely illogical and unable to be harmonized with the whole properly.
And the reason they need to pull this deceptive tactic is because they like what the Lord has commanded in verses 7:10-11, but they arent too happy with Pauls concession in 7:12 and after. It completely destroys these false teachings of theirs that Paul offers this idea that the believer might not be forced to remain bound in marriage to an unbeliever in whatever circumstance, and so they force the text to give instruction to a group of people, those unequally yoked, that Paul CLEARLY says he has no word from the Lord to.

Thankfully, you readers are quite capable of seeing the wording used for yourself and seeing what is actually presented by Gods whole word....

Additional Evidence

1Co 7:12 But1161 to the3588 rest3062 speak3004 I,1473 not3756 the3588 Lord:2962 If any1536 brother80 hath2192 a wife1135 that believeth not,571 and2532 she846 be pleased4909 to dwell3611 with3326 him,846 let him not3361 put her away.863, 846
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Thayer Definition:
1) remaining, the rest
1a) the rest of any number or class under consideration
1b) with a certain distinction and contrast, the rest, who are not of a specific class or number
1c) the rest of the things that remain
1Co 7:12 - to the rest--
the other classes (besides "the married," 1Co_7:10, where both husband and wife are believers) about whom the Corinthians had inquired, namely, those involved in mixed marriages with unbelievers.
-Jameson, Faucet& Brown
He has been speaking to the unmarried (1Co_7:8) and to married parties, both of whom were Christians (1Co_7:10). By the rest he means married couples, one of which remained a heathen.
-Vincents Word Studies
 
animal said:
I'm just saying if it disagrees with the happiness of my father or my stepmother I wouldn't care what it has to say about the matter. And from what I've read in this thread she should have reconciled with her former husband? I completely disagree.

And thank you by the way. I'm sorry to hear about your father as well.

You don't have to reconcile to disobedient (wrongful) spouse. But divorced ones should be ready when their spouse repented. Divorced ones are bounded to former spouse unless they become widow or widower. Divorced one can remarried to former spouse.
 
shad said:
animal said:
I'm just saying if it disagrees with the happiness of my father or my stepmother I wouldn't care what it has to say about the matter. And from what I've read in this thread she should have reconciled with her former husband? I completely disagree.

And thank you by the way. I'm sorry to hear about your father as well.

You don't have to reconcile to disobedient (wrongful) spouse. But divorced ones should be ready when their spouse repented. Divorced ones are bounded to former spouse unless they become widow or widower.
Sorry but such claims such as this that deny that marriage is conditional are absolutely unscriptural and make Moses out to be a heretic who defiled God in the matter of marriage and divorce.

Some here believe that God changed, He didnt.
He ALWAYS hated putting away/divorce but has allowed it for the sake of the innocent.
Jesus didnt REdefine divorce or change anything in that regard, but simply exposed the sin of frivolous divorce being done by the Jews TO remarry someone else for what it was (and is for those who practice it now).

Divorced one can remarried to former spouse.
Not if they remarried someone else in the meantime, according to GODS WHOLE word in the matter of divorce.
 
Im divorced, can I remarry?
By Wm Tipton


Here we will try to show that in spite of what a few in the church are teaching, remarriage after divorce is assumed unless expressly forbidden for whatever reason, and also will show that marriage is a conditional covenant.

We try to lay the information out in most of our writings and let the reader decide for themselves what to believe, but I find it necessary at this point in time to simply state things plainly for any who are asking if they can remarry after being divorced.

The short, simple answer is ‘yes, you can remarry’.

I say short and simple for a couple reasons. Firstly this issue has been made way too complicated by legalists who are incapable of understanding the marriage covenant to begin with, nor are they able to comprehend concepts such as ‘grace’ and forgiveness, even tho that would seem to be at the forefront of these erroneous doctrines.

We need to dumb the whole thing down and bring it back to its very basic intent. God created them male and female in the beginning and His clear intent was for them to help each other and to provide for the other what they needed...be it food, clothing, kindness, love, romance.
Some are blinded to the fact that when God created Eve He did so as a ‘helpmeet’. It was never Gods intent for marriage to have turned into the monstrosity that it has.

The second reason I say short and simple is that there is more to the story that we do need to take into account.
Yes, you MAY remarry, but is it the right decision?
Lets say you are a believer, as is your ex spouse. 1 Corinthians 7:10-11 is written to you both.

1Co 7:10-11 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: (11) But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.

(we know this is to two believers because of Paul's words ‘but to the rest’ in the very next verse where he speaks without any commandment to those who are married to an unbeliever)
It is assumed that BOTH of you will want to be pleasing to God and in being pleasing to God will BOTH find a way to reconcile and work together to make it what God would have it to be. How could two people who supposedly both love the Lord God not be able to find a way to make their marriage work if they are being pleasing to the Lord in their thoughts and actions ?

In this situation, yes, you ‘can’ remarry (ie no one is going to forcibly stop you), but it would be against clear commandment from the Lord Himself if your spouse has not remarried. No, it isnt unforgivable if you have married someone else, but do you really want to push the limits of grace here if you have not yet remarried and your former spouse and you are in a situation where your previous marriage can indeed be reconciled ?

Obviously if your ex is completely unwilling to reconcile, you have a choice to make and we cannot council you on that matter, but in our humble opinion, if a ‘christian’ spouse refuses to reconcile and the marriage was not ended for a breach such as abuse or adultery, then we would have to question whether this person is actually saved or not. If it is evident by their actions that they are not a believer and they will not reconcile, you are not required to remain unmarried.
Again, this is contingent upon whether you cheated or abused them or not. If you did, then its hard for me to sit here and say they aren’t being forgiving.....they might simply be tired of being mistreated. In such cases we believe that the abuser/cheater was put away for a lawful reason and we believe that remarriage is not forbidden after such a divorce.

So we see that while we ‘may’ remarry, there may be circumstances where we shouldn't because both are believers and there has been no breach of covenant to warrant the divorce. No, you aren’t still married to your ex if the marriage has been wilfully abandoned, but guilt is still assigned when we remarry after a frivolous divorce because it simply is against Gods will to end a marriage thus.


Now we turn our attention to the conditional marriage covenant itself. We use the word ‘conditional’ because that is precisely the case. If marriage were unconditional then no circumstance would ever exist whereby it could be defiled or sinned against. But we see that is not the case in both the old covenant and in the new. Under the law we see passages such as Exodus 21:10-11 where this “wife†was permitted to leave her marriage if her husband did not provide for her with food, clothing and conjugal duty/attention
Exo 21:10-11 If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish. (11) And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money.
And we also see that the Law required the death of the adulteress and her lover;

Lev 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

These two are but a couple pieces of evidence that show us that the marriage covenant is not without condition. There are ways to defile it, to be in breach of it or there would be no recourse offered when it was sinned against.
That it is conditional, as the Mosaic covenant was conditional, also shows us that there is circumstance by which it may by ended justly, lawfully, as God ended the old covenant justly when it was sinned against perpetually.

If you have read many of the articles contained on this web site then its probable that you have seen that we cover a great deal concerning the Jews and the frivolous divorce Moses suffered to avoid even greater sin in that they would even harm these wives to be rid of them. Of course, if a man is determined to be rid of his wife, clearly Moses would have not have been able to stop him from casting her out.

From our studies we have determined that remarriage after these divorces were simply assumed and only in cases where it is forbidden is a divorced woman not permitted to marry this man. The only real prohibition of marrying women put away from their husbands is for the man who put this woman away to begin with and she has subsequently married another, and also the priests of the Temple as presented in these passages that speak of the priests and high priests of the church who were a foreshadow of the Messiah...

Lev 21:7 They shall not take a wife that is a whore, or profane; neither shall they take a woman put away from her husband: for he is holy unto his God.

Lev 21:14 A widow, or a divorced woman, or profane, or an harlot, these shall he not take: but he shall take a virgin of his own people to wife.

Eze 44:22 Neither shall they take for their wives a widow, nor her that is put away: but they shall take maidens of the seed of the house of Israel, or a widow that had a priest before.

In those passages we see clear prohibition for these priests against taking a woman put away from her husband. With the Levitical prohibitions it is our assumption at Assembly Ministries that these are part of what Moses was dealing with in the desert and his sufferance of this casual putting away, and why he gave Deut 24:1-4 as a regulation to this frivolous ending of marriage and often simply to take another.

It seems peculiar that there is no clear instruction for anyone else in Israel to refrain from marrying a woman who was put away from her husband, and in fact we see in this regulation in Deut 24 that the wording seems to clearly imply that it was assumed that she would remarry after divorce, and surely no sin is defined herein when she does remarry after being casually cast aside.

Deu 24:1-4 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. (2)
And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife. (3) And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife; (4) Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

What is made quite clear there is that ‘someone’ is actually permitted to marry this woman who has been put away (divorced) from her husband for this ‘uncleaness’ that he has defined in her. Based on the facts we see, we conclude that unless it is prohibited, marrying after being put away is simply assumed.

Now when we come to the new testament we see in the gospels that Jesus is preaching His new covenant and setting things back to a former order before these frivolous divorces came into the picture.
In Matthew 5 and Matthew 19 we see that Jesus has again shown that the marriage covenant is still conditional, and where a spouse was put away for fornication, adultery is not committed upon remarriage.

In Matthew 19:9, we see clearly that Jesus again is assuming remarriage when He says ‘and marry another’. It is simply assumed on His part that these are remarrying.

And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
(Mat 19:9)
(No, Jesus is not correcting their understanding of Deut 24:1-4 concerning sexual sin as some assert, but is instead correcting their MISrepresentation of Moses intent by twisting what Moses 'tolerated', fivolous putting away, into 'commandment' to do such. )
Notice that He doesnt just state “and shall commit adultery†but plainly shows a remarriage taking place (“marry anotherâ€Â).
When this situation arises, whether adultery is the case upon marrying another is contingent on why the former spouse was put away...ie ‘conditional’.
Jesus could simply have said ‘you cannot marry another’ if that were His intent and that statement would have cleared up a LOT of erroneous thought, but clearly our Lord does assume remarriage as well.

In no way is Jesus telling them that they are perpetually married to this spouse. He simply assigns guilt where Moses did not in the case of ‘for every cause’ divorcement, which is precisely what the Jews were doing, divorcing for every trivial reason, and exactly what He was asked about here in Matthew 19. It is also this context from which He speaks in the gospels concerning divorce and remarriage....a point that some would prefer you not be made aware of so they can condemn all divorce even where it is justified. He lets the pharisees know that, despite what they are used to getting away with, they are sinning even tho the law did not define any sin in their actions.

Moving ahead to Pauls writings on the matter of ending a marriage, we find ourselves in the book of 1 Corinthians, chapter 7.
Instead of adding huge amounts to this article or retying what we have already stated, see the following articles on our studies website...

Does the bible permit putting away a spouse for abuse?
1 Corinthians 7 Study


In that article you will see our logic used and why we believe that the believe does indeed have the authority to end a marriage in some cases.
Actually it is possible to end a marriage for ANY frivolous reason today, just like it was then, but the fact is that when we end a marriage without cause, unlike the old covenant, GUILT is assigned to this act when we remarry and Jesus words are completely true of this scenario that we do so from hardheartedness.
To be blameless before our Lord and to not be hardhearted, believers simply do not put away their spouse for no just cause.
Clearly physical abuse is a just reason, and we believe, as we show in that article, that putting away is actually the right of the believer where there is just cause to do so.

The other issue is abandonment by the unbeliever. Paul is quite clear, contrary to some, that the believer is not in bondage to this marriage where the unbeliever has deserted. A slave who is not in bondage has no master anymore...he is free indeed. And so the believer is also free to make the choice to remarry a believing spouse, or outside Gods desire yet another unbeliever, or to remain single if they so choose.

We end with our conclusions that in the cases of adultery, legitimate abuse or abandonment that the believer has the right of divorce (it is not compulsory, merely tolerated).
Where one has divorced either an unbeliever or a ‘makebeliever’* for these causes, remarriage would be assumed and permitted.

(*we say ‘makebeliever’ because Jesus says we know men by their fruits. Men who beat their wives and cheat on them may claim to be believers, but scripture shows that they are not His at all.)

In the case where both are TRUE believers as evidenced by their fruits, it is commanded of the Lord that they work out their differences and reconcile their marriage *IF* neither made the mistake of remarrying.
Paul says ‘remain Unmarried or reconcile’. He does not say to end a marriage to reconcile a previous one.
 
follower of Christ said:
shad said:
animal said:
I'm just saying if it disagrees with the happiness of my father or my stepmother I wouldn't care what it has to say about the matter. And from what I've read in this thread she should have reconciled with her former husband? I completely disagree.

And thank you by the way. I'm sorry to hear about your father as well.

You don't have to reconcile to disobedient (wrongful) spouse. But divorced ones should be ready when their spouse repented. Divorced ones are bounded to former spouse unless they become widow or widower.
Sorry but such claims such as this that deny that marriage is conditional are absolutely unscriptural and make Moses out to be a heretic who defiled God in the matter of marriage and divorce.

Some here believe that God changed, He didnt.
He ALWAYS hated putting away/divorce but has allowed it for the sake of the innocent.
Jesus didnt REdefine divorce or change anything in that regard, but simply exposed the sin of frivolous divorce being done by the Jews TO remarry someone else for what it was (and is for those who practice it now).

Divorced one can remarried to former spouse.
Not if they remarried someone else in the meantime, according to GODS WHOLE word in the matter of divorce.

I ma sorry but everything you say is just excuses. I will not argue with loophole seekers.

take care.
 
shad said:
I ma sorry but everything you say is just excuses. I will not argue with loophole seekers.

take care.


Let us please discuss this topic civily without name calling. This topic can be discussed and better understood this way.


In terms of scripture and what it has to say about divorce and remarriage, here are some passages I found.

Matthew 5:32 (King James Version)
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Matthew 19:3-9 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause? 4And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. 7They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? 8He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. 9And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Romans 7:1-3 (King James Version) 1Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? 2For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

In short....the scriptures above strongly discourage any form of termination of a marriage. Save for on the grounds of fornication, infidelity, or as some would call it...unfaithfulness. Does this necessarily mean that all out there who are married to an unfaithful spouse should leave them? No...not necessarily. For even in the OT God commanded Hosea to remain married to his wife who frequently commited acts of fornication.

Remarriage....the only scripture seen that I know of...though I could be wrong...states that if one's spouse is still alive and goes an marries another that they are commiting adultery.

Though I have seen one or two mention how this applies or applied solely to the male gender, I am inclined to disagree. For if we as believers are to follow after Christ.....male and female.....we should try to live as He taught us.

I apologize for any offense caused. None was meant.

May God Bless You

Danielle
 
shad said:
I ma sorry but everything you say is just excuses.
Youre entitled to your opinion, right or wrong :)

I could say the same about your doctrine that does the same thing that "Hyper" Calvinism does by focusing on PART of the data...well, except that those who claim God is responsible for mans sin because He is sovereign actually have a FAR more convincing argument then you do.
I will not argue with loophole seekers.

take care.
Or so you say.

God bless :)
 
LostLamb said:
Remarriage....the only scripture seen that I know of...though I could be wrong...states that if one's spouse is still alive and goes an marries another that they are commiting adultery.
Not what it says in the least given that the exception applies to the entire statement in the gospels :)
Not the point either when one understands the context that Jesus is speaking in and what He is dealing with specifically with the Jews.

Many fallacious viewpoints come solely from believing that Christ seemingly spoke in a vaccuum or something and wasnt speaking within a context to deal with a real, live problem.


God bless LL :)
 
follower of Christ said:
Not the point either when one understands the context that Jesus is speaking in and what He is dealing with specifically with the Jews.

Many fallacious viewpoints come solely from believing that Christ seemingly spoke in a vaccuum or something and wasnt speaking within a context to deal with a real, live problem.


God bless LL :)

Follower of Christ,

Please let me make sure I am understanding what you are saying here... are you saying that basically only the Jews should have to follow this?

Sometimes one has to be fairly frank with me, or at least to the point, for me to grasp things. What can I say....I am not the brightest crayon in the crayola box.

May God Bless You

Danielle
 
LostLamb said:
Follower of Christ,

Please let me make sure I am understanding what you are saying here... are you saying that basically only the Jews should have to follow this?

Not at all. Sorry if that somehow came across, not the intent in any way.
Jesus was dealing with the Jewish problem of frivolous divorce in the gospels, that context has to be understood so that His responses can be harmonized with the rest of scripture in the matter.
Clearly what He taught is applicable to all of us :)

When we are trying to harmonize the relevant data we have to understand what is being dealt with to understand the actual lesson and how it applies to any given situation.

God bless
:)
 
follower of Christ said:
Not at all. Sorry if that somehow came across, not the intent in any way.
Jesus was dealing with the Jewish problem of frivolous divorce in the gospels, that context has to be understood so that His responses can be harmonized with the rest of scripture in the matter.
Clearly what He taught is applicable to all of us :)

When we are trying to harmonize the relevant data we have to understand what is being dealt with to understand the actual lesson and how it applies to any given situation.

God bless
:)

Thank you for clearing that up. As I said sometimes I tend to misunderstand what is said to me. Just wanted to make sure I did not misunderstand you. :-)

May God Bless You

Danielle
 
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