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A question YOU need to ask yourself

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Alright, so say Isaac Newton is correct about his theory. Let's say we are within the 1260 years(if so, we are some where near the end) as Isaac Newton stated:

As described by the prophet Daniel, and John in Revelation, the revived Roman Empire will rule for one "week," a period of seven times 360 days, or 2,520 days total. In the midst of this week, at 1,260 days, the Antichrist will desecrate the future temple in Jerusalem. Following the day/year guideline, Newton assigned 1,260 years of the Revived Roman empire before Antichrist's desecration of the temple. This he did realizing that the rebuilding of the temple and the judgments of Revelation did not follow the rebirth of the Roman Empire in A.D. 800. None of the prophecies of the End of Days followed the coronation of Charlemagne as Emperor of the revived Roman Empire after 1,260, nor for that matter, any of the years up until Newton's day. Therefore, he established each day with a year from A.D. 800, arriving at the year A.D. 2060.
(remember, he's not pin pointing any dates, he's just putting saying the world cannot end before 2060 according to his calculations)

Could it be that we ARE in the time of this "Tribulation". I myself am a believer of this have already happened... but let's just say what - if. What if we are in Tribulation as of right now? I mean technically we are, but I'm talking about the one almost everyone fears. Could this mean that the currency system is a mark of the beast? Have you sat down and studied the U.S Dollar?


http://www.legendinc.com/Art/WebArt/DollarBack.jpg

Take a good look at that picture. On your left, you have the pyramid. Follow along the letters of "A" in Annuit, "S" Coeptis, "N" in Novus, "O" in Ordo, and "M" in Seclorum. You'd have, A, S, N, O, and M. Flip that around, you get MASON in a Satanic symbol (pentagram).

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20 ... exseal.jpg

Coincidence? Maybe.

It's funny how it also have 13 leaves in the Eagle's left claw, 13 arrows in it's right, 13 stars above the Eagle's head, and 13 stripes on it's shield. 13 is a good number huh? :naughty

Coincidence? Maybe.

To your left, you see the pyramid yet again. Under the pyramid you see these letters: MDCCLXXVI. In Roman Numerals it's 1776, but there may be more to it than that.

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/pics/Roman.gif

^^ follows the chart vv

http://philologos.org/bpr/files/n001.htm

Coincidence? Maybe..

It's also a coincidence how with all of that being said, you basically NEED money to survive in this world today. Without this in your pocket... without you thinking/planning on how to get money, without you actually working for money, you cannot buy, you cannot sell, you cannot do anything. Your life will be destroyed. They made this system to where you need it, and to where it's universal. Everyone needs money, small ones, great ones, everybody. Sounds familiar to you? Take a good look on how you're dependent to money. Look around you for a second. Now think about if you rejected money... would you have ANY of this stuff you're starring at? I'm not saying this IS it, I'm just stating a "what - if" situation.

My fellow forumers, we need to ask ourselves. If this is actually the real deal, what would you do? Would you drop everything and fight for what you believe in? Or would you sit there and go on about your business because you have family to feed and people/things to take care of (including yourself)? Think about it, you guys said Anti-Christ is not a man, but a system. You guys said all the signs have come, we're just waiting on this system which is around the corner. Could it possibly be that we've been in this the entire time?

I myself am against this idea because again, I believe this has already passed. I have also only done study on the U.S currency, and not any other. In order for this to take place, everything needs to have one global currency, or at least a currency with some sort of subliminal message just like our own. I'm not saying they don't, I'm just saying I myself don't know nor have I done the study.

Discuss.
 
Hi Zero! You've been reading Isaac Newton. Nice. ;) You are correct; Newton was not setting dates. He was just attempting to determine the approximate timeline for when this age would end. He was sure it wouldn't happen before 2060. He didn't say it would happen in 2060.

But, there are some date setters that say he was wrong and it would occur in 2013. I do not like date setting. Harold Camping is "betting" his entire ministry on his belief this will happen in 2012, he's that sure. :nono

Also keep in mind that Newton did not believe in a future seven year (70th. week) tribulation period, so the thought of being in tribulation for quite some time now would not be a strange belief to him.

One more thing to keep in mind, if the current US economy and monetary system tanks, the theory above is moot. I am not superstitious (God doesn't like superstition) so the number 13 means nothing to me. As a matter of fact, Ch. 13 (PBS in NJ) is one of the channels I watch quite often. :D
 
Why hello' there Vic!

But, there are some date setters that say he was wrong and it would occur in 2013. I do not like date setting. Harold Camping is "betting" his entire ministry on his belief this will happen in 2012, he's that sure.

I've read about this. Flynn stated the actual date was 753 A.D instead of 800 A.D as Newton stated. 753 + 1260 = 2013. They also believe this to be correct because of some great event the Mayan Calander keeps talking about (in which I'm shocked no one have discussed yet). They even dated everything in specific terms except for the hour/minutes. (Dec. 21st 2012) I myself am no believer of Tribulation happening in the future, but if this were the case, then wouldn't this mean the return of Christ instead of Anti-Christ? I'm also no date setter aswell (obviously). I feel if a person/group of people try to set a very specific date and swear to it, then they are saying they have more knowledge than the angels in heaven and Christ himself.

Matthews 24
36"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father.

One more thing to keep in mind, if the current US economy and monetary system tanks, the theory above is moot. I am not superstitious (God doesn't like superstition) so the number 13 means nothing to me. As a matter of fact, Ch. 13 (PBS in NJ) is one of the channels I watch quite often.
Haha, Ch. 13 PBS is a channel I watch quite often too. Very informative. =)
 
http://www.mt.net/~watcher/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq_QWWZa ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uygmWhtUYM4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6rEdBir ... re=related
http://www.viddler.com/explore/watchmen1984/videos/2/
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_t ... tions&aq=f

According to those studies and many more, 12/21/12 is a very legit marker set into play by God as one of His appointed times. The thought by many is that it may very well be the middle of Daniel's 70th week. Subtract 1260 days from this time marker and you'll get July 11, 2009...3 1/3 weeks away...we'll see. If it is true, then according to my belief the Rapture will be around July 4-11. However, Flynn is a mid-trib guy and not saying the Rapture is in less than a month. The sites and studies are provocatively interesting to say the least.
 
Zero Link said:
It's funny how it also have 13 leaves in the Eagle's left claw, 13 arrows in it's right, 13 stars above the Eagle's head, and 13 stripes on it's shield. 13 is a good number huh? :naughty
Coincidence? Maybe.
Umm... the 13 original colonies? :lol
 
For all you date setters, what flavor hats should I order? :D
 
Vic C. said:
For all you date setters, what flavor hats should I order? :D
There were once a group of men who were considered wise for observing the times (appointed times/seasons/Gen.1:14), the cosmos (eclipses, comets, alignments, constellations, etc) and matching them to the fulfillment of prophecies (prophecies no less than 600 years old, one even 4,000 years old). Through studying and watching the signs of the coming of our Lord, we can and will have an accurate understanding of when these end-time events will happen, if one is looking like we are commanded. There are so many clues from Jesus alone as what to look for, it is foolish to think we can't understand if we sincerely study...Jesus never rebuked the question of when...He instead gave many signs to look for.

As for what flavor hat...I don't know what you are talking about, but I'm sure it is extremely humorous. As I said in my previous post, "We'll see." The evidence supports the dates and the fulfillment of certain prophecies...some of the events you don't agree are going to happen. Like I said, we'll see in 3 to 4 weeks. The evidence will show the truth. The truth will be revealed as time moves forward. The wisemen of Mat.2:1-12 may have been mocked by many on their 2 year journey to seek the Messiah (reminds me of 2 Pt.3), but they believed the evidence that God set in motion at the beginning. Were they date setters? Were they foolish?
 
"Zero Link"
I feel if a person/group of people try to set a very specific date and swear to it, then they are saying they have more knowledge than the angels in heaven and Christ himself.

Matthews 24
[quote:3q2548xj] 36"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father.
[/quote:3q2548xj]

Jesus only said the day or the hour.He said nothing of the month or year.
Though I dont know the year now ,I could in the future.The near future perhaps.

PS
Did you know Jack Scellington's dogs name is Zero? :yes
 
Shilohsfoal said:
Jesus only said the day or the hour.He said nothing of the month or year.
Though I dont know the year now ,I could in the future.The near future perhaps.
Yes, I've seen people use this verse as a loophole for their insistence on predicting the year. Camping uses it quite often. If one understands the idiom and vernacular of the first century Jewish person, one would understand exactly what Jesus meant. Jesus is basically stating that one one knows, no one will know.
 
Vic C. said:
Shilohsfoal said:
Jesus only said the day or the hour.He said nothing of the month or year.
Though I dont know the year now ,I could in the future.The near future perhaps.
Yes, I've seen people use this verse as a loophole for their insistence on predicting the year. Camping uses it quite often. If one understands the idiom and vernacular of the first century Jewish person, one would understand exactly what Jesus meant. Jesus is basically stating that one one knows, no one will know.

Again, and again, and again--Jesus did not know the day and the hour while He was on earth, BUT he definitely knew the time frame: THISgeneration will by no means pass away till ALL these things take place."

What do you mean by NEAR future, Vic C.? Are you using it in its normal, usual, common, linguistical sense or are you using it in the "futurist biblical." The Bible says something is near, but futurists say it is really very far--you know, based on 2 Peter 3:8 and all which apparently eliminates any meaning to time words!

Jesus did NOT say that no one ever would know. He knew after His resurrection. He knew after His return to glory. And again, even while He was on earth, He knew the generation--THAT generation in which He was living! That is exactly what He meant in Matthew24:34!

Matthew24:34
 
Matthew24:34 said:
What do you mean by NEAR future, Vic C.? Are you using it in its normal, usual, common, linguistical sense or are you using it in the "futurist biblical." The Bible says something is near, but futurists say it is really very far--you know, based on 2 Peter 3:8 and all which apparently eliminates any meaning to time words!

GREAT Question!

Vic C says the end is NEAR in 2009
Jesus and the apostles all taught it was NEAR, 2000 years ago.

What does Vic C. know that the apostles didn't?

Does Vic C. have some special insight that Jesus and the apostles lacked?

He did have the insight to spot my "Terrapin tendencies" (although i think it takes one to know one Vic :-))

What does NEAR mean anyway?
 
parousia70 said:
Matthew24:34 said:
What do you mean by NEAR future, Vic C.? Are you using it in its normal, usual, common, linguistical sense or are you using it in the "futurist biblical." The Bible says something is near, but futurists say it is really very far--you know, based on 2 Peter 3:8 and all which apparently eliminates any meaning to time words!

GREAT Question!

Vic C says the end is NEAR in 2009
Jesus and the apostles all taught it was NEAR, 2000 years ago.

What does Vic C. know that the apostles didn't?

Does Vic C. have some special insight that Jesus and the apostles lacked?

He did have the insight to spot my "Terrapin tendencies" (although i think it takes one to know one Vic :-))

What does NEAR mean anyway?

Haha, I think you have the wrong person my friend. :lol

by XTruth on Sun Jun 14, 2009 8:58 pm

According to those studies and many more, 12/21/12 is a very legit marker set into play by God as one of His appointed times. The thought by many is that it may very well be the middle of Daniel's 70th week. Subtract 1260 days from this time marker and you'll get July 11, 2009...3 1/3 weeks away...we'll see. If it is true, then according to my belief the Rapture will be around July 4-11. However, Flynn is a mid-trib guy and not saying the Rapture is in less than a month. The sites and studies are provocatively interesting to say the least.

Also, this topic is actually meant to be a, "what if" topic. Not a, "is this true!?". I've already stated my opinions about this. I'm just asking how many of you would drop everything to fight the good fight? :twocents :twocents Sorry for the confusion.

Also, Shilohsfoal: That's true. Day could mean year. Hour could mean day. Day could mean day. Hour could mean hour. Either way, the notion as to pin pointing specific dates should be put to a stop. Mayan believers believe they have pin pointed the correct year, correct month, and correct day. I'm not saying nothing will happen that day, I'm just saying I highly doubt it's going to be the return of Christ or even a Tribulation. Not saying that it WON'T happen, I'm just highly doubting. This is just my perspective.....

Btw, I love his dog!


Xtruth: July 11th 2009 just seems soo farfetched to me. There were numerous of pasters stating at the end of 2008, the world Anti-Christ was going to cause the final tribulation. They put two and two together from the bible and while I admit, it made sense, there were tiny little loop holes. You have to understand that even the tiniest loop hole is deadly when trying to become a "prophet". You'd have to be 100% accurate... this is why only God and his word can and will be my prophet. =)
 
Vic C. said none of those things. Vic C. is being misquoted. :crazy
 
Zero Link said:
parousia70 said:
[quote="Matthew24:34":122xxtxi]

What do you mean by NEAR future, Vic C.? Are you using it in its normal, usual, common, linguistical sense or are you using it in the "futurist biblical." The Bible says something is near, but futurists say it is really very far--you know, based on 2 Peter 3:8 and all which apparently eliminates any meaning to time words!

GREAT Question!

Vic C says the end is NEAR in 2009
Jesus and the apostles all taught it was NEAR, 2000 years ago.

What does Vic C. know that the apostles didn't?

Does Vic C. have some special insight that Jesus and the apostles lacked?

He did have the insight to spot my "Terrapin tendencies" (although i think it takes one to know one Vic :-))

What does NEAR mean anyway?

Haha, I think you have the wrong person my friend. :lol [/quote:122xxtxi]

Fair enough!
Feel free to insert "Zero Link" in every instance you find "Vic C. (except the "Terrapin reference") and give us your response.

What do you mean by near?
Same thing Jesus and the apostles meant, or some other definition?
 
Vic C. said:
Vic C. said none of those things. Vic C. is being misquoted. :crazy

Sorry Vic, I saw Matt 24's misquote and ran with it... my bad.... everything 'cept the terrapin comment anyway....
 
Dude, step away from the bong. :lol Zero didn't say these things either. Ya gots to read carefully and you gots to get your references correct. Your siggy is from Scarlet Begonias, not Terrapin. :biglaugh Ya can't fool a 52 year old former Deadhead. :yes
 
Vic C. said:
Dude, step away from the bong. :lol Zero didn't say these things either. Ya gots to read carefully


Zero did indeed use the term "near".

We're simply asking if Zero meant the same thing as the apostles when they used the term "near" or if Zero's "near" means something different..

I'm still curious
 
Oh, and I was using Terrapin in the generic sense....
You indeed spotted my "Terrapin tendencies" in my Scarlet Begonias Siggy :yes
 
I was the one who used the term near.
Ive been using it since the first seal was opened .
 
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