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A Question....

:lol How refreshing to talk with someone who understands the "examples" are for US...NOW as well as who Israel is...the two houses.


I hope to have more time today to really study your two above posts. Of course, I have to spend time with the family in front of the television today as we say....



  • ROLL TIDE !


Being from Alabama and all.....ya'll :D
 
veteran said:
Isa 8:7-17
7 Now therefore, behold, the Lord bringeth up upon them the waters of the river, strong and many, even the king of Assyria, and all his glory: and he shall come up over all his channels, and go over all his banks:


On a deeper note, we're supposed to recognize Scripture like Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 31 of how God uses the flesh king of Assyria as a 'type' for Satan. The end of Isaiah 30 is notable also. Isaiah 10 shows how the king of Assyria was to come upon Jerusalem out of the north, town by town. So if our Heavenly Father gave the king of Assyria as a type for Satan, then these Scripture examples also serve as what for the latter days? Paul mentioned the idea of "ensamples" in 1 Cor.10.

As strange as it seems, God uses Assyria to chastise Israel, then God chastises Assyria as/when it excells in it's commercial interest and bcomes proud. In the end, or 'IN that day', God calls Assyria, the work of MY HANDS!.

  • Isaiah 19:24-25
    24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria,
    even a blessing in the midst of the land:
    25 Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying,
    Blessed be Egypt my people, and
    Assyria the work of my hands
    , and Israel mine inheritance. KJV

So, if Assyria is a 'type of Satan' then Judah and Israel would also be a 'type of Satan' when/as it manifests unbelief towards God. Jesus told the unbelieving Pharisees around Him, who claimed 'Abraham is our father' (Jn 8:39)...

  • John 8:44

    44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. KJV

Even today...who can excape one's own nature...?
Was I not, before conversion, just like the ASSYRIAN...? or Judah, or Israel in their unbelief?

  • Ephesians 2:2-3
    2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

    3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. KJV
 
Ret said:
As strange as it seems, God uses Assyria to chastise Israel, then God chastises Assyria as/when it excells in it's commercial interest and bcomes proud. In the end, or 'IN that day', God calls Assyria, the work of MY HANDS!.

  • Isaiah 19:24-25
    24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria,
    even a blessing in the midst of the land:
    25 Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying,
    Blessed be Egypt my people, and
    Assyria the work of my hands
    , and Israel mine inheritance. KJV

So, if Assyria is a 'type of Satan' then Judah and Israel would also be a 'type of Satan' when/as it manifests unbelief towards God. Jesus told the unbelieving Pharisees around Him, who claimed 'Abraham is our father' (Jn 8:39)...

  • John 8:44

    44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. KJV

Even today...who can excape one's own nature...?
Was I not, before conversion, just like the ASSYRIAN...? or Judah, or Israel in their unbelief?

  • Ephesians 2:2-3
    2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

    3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. KJV

Yeah, kind of. But there's still a difference with how God uses the king of Assyria as a type for Satan, and not as a type for His chosen Israel, even when Israel is rebellious against Him...

Isa 10:5-6
5 O Assyrian, the rod of Mine anger, and the staff in their hand is Mine indignation.
6 I will send him against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of My wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets.
(KJV)

This is one of the most important Biblical ideas for us to learn as to why God allows Satan to do what he does. God uses Satan (the Assyrian as a type in the above) as His punishing rod. It's like my father would say to me after I really messed up, "OK boy, go pick me a switch off a tree!" What happens to the switch after the whippin'? It's discarded. So likewise, when Satan has served God's purpose as a punishing rod upon the wicked, even the rebellious of His own chosen people, Satan will simply be discarded like that switch. The purpose of the chastizement is because of God's love, so God isn't going to discard those whom He loves that also love Him and repent.

And with the "tares" parable our Lord Jesus gave in Matt.13, we know some among Israel really are not 'of' God, and they will not all turn away from rebellion, but will continue to serve the devil by choice. Don't want to go too deep about those "tares", but I believe during Christ's future Milennium reign, and at the end of it, the majority of those "tares" willingly will choose to perish with Satan, their thinking something like, "Well if I can't be my own god, and do whatever I want to do, then I don't want eternal life." I believe the majority of "tares" will actually make that choice theirselves, even in full knowledge of The Savior. I also believe what our Lord Jesus said to them in John 8, His being very forthright about the indentity of their father, was because they well knew Christ The Saviour was indeed standing right in front of them, and they knew Who they were mocking. Denying Christ in full knowledge is choosing to perish.

Another point that's important, is there's truly a difference between a sinner in ignorance compared to doing it on purpose with pride, like in-your-face. Even the state of battling against a flesh sin that we can't quite get the best of shows in our heart we do care that's it's wrong (moral sense). The idea of the habitual sinner is of one who doesn't care if they sin or not, and are even so proud of their sins they'll teach others how to do the same. That's the idea in Isaiah 5:18, a worker of iniquity pulling their sins around in a cart with a rope for show and tell bragging about it. Those are still different than one who cares. But the "workers of iniquity" knowingly serve the devil, and love serving and doing the devil's works. Those represent the followers of the king of Assyria as a type for the devil and his children, the "workers of iniquity". Remember Joshua 9, Judges 2 &3, 1 Kings 9, those crept into Israel's stay early on, and they represent the "tares".
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Ret said:
So, if Assyria is a 'type of Satan' then Judah and Israel would also be a 'type of Satan' when/as it manifests unbelief towards God. Jesus told the unbelieving Pharisees around Him, who claimed 'Abraham is our father' (Jn 8:39)...

  • John 8:44

    44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. KJV

Even today...who can excape one's own nature...?
Was I not, before conversion, just like the ASSYRIAN...? or Judah, or Israel in their unbelief?


I see the "KING OF" Assyria as the type...not Assyria itself. They are presently led by him but....they shall return even to the LORD, and He shall be intreated of them, and shall heal them. [Isaiah 19:22] However, your point is well taken for we too needed to be "healed." :yes

Those Jesus was speaking to [John 8:44] are the tares, (as Veteran stated). Can they be healed?

  • Genesis 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. and unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him."
 
Right, I'm not literally saying the king of Assyria and the Assyrian peoples were the devil and his workers that knowingly serve him, but only as a 'type'. The parable in Ezekiel 31 is especially interesting on that.

What you quoted from the end of Isaiah 19 shows the area of Assyria will be one third in God's final Kingdom on earth, along with Egypt and Israel.

Note that also involves a "highway" in Isaiah 19:23 (Isa.11:16; Isa.35:8; Isa.40:1-5; Isa.62:10-12; Jer.31:21).


About the "tares", I believe some of them will turn to Christ, even as some of them already have today. But for during this world time, they're working the negative side of God's Plan. They're necessary for this time to cause fulfillment of what God said in His Word. And that's the 'bitter' part in the belly that's hard for many to understand.
 
veteran said:
Right, I'm not literally saying the king of Assyria and the Assyrian peoples were the devil and his workers that knowingly serve him, but only as a 'type'. The parable in Ezekiel 31 is especially interesting on that.

What you quoted from the end of Isaiah 19 shows the area of Assyria will be one third in God's final Kingdom on earth, along with Egypt and Israel.

Note that also involves a "highway" in Isaiah 19:23 (Isa.11:16; Isa.35:8; Isa.40:1-5; Isa.62:10-12; Jer.31:21).


About the "tares", I believe some of them will turn to Christ, even as some of them already have today. But for during this world time, they're working the negative side of God's Plan. They're necessary for this time to cause fulfillment of what God said in His Word. And that's the 'bitter' part in the belly that's hard for many to understand.


Not understanding can cause a great deal of bitterness in the body.
 
Eccl 1:18-2:1
18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. KJV

Joe
 
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