Bible Study A simple way to understand the Trinity

[theleast]

Ah thank you.

Then why do we call it Trinty?

Why don't we just call it like it is?

 

[Vic C.]

...Then why do we call it Trinty?

Why don't we just call it like it is?

We could add the "u" and call it Triunity if you'd like. ;-)

 

[BFSmith764]

Ah thank you.

Then why do we call it Trinty?

Why don't we just call it like it is?

Personally ,I don't really care one way or the other, what I know is that God is one, and He sent His Son, who was called the Word, which was with God, to be born a human, lived, crucified and was raised the third day, and is now sitting at the right hand of the Father. But after He rose from the grave, He told the His disciples that He would send the comforter/Holy Spirit, which would give them power to do good works. I would like to say something in addition to this, but I don’t believe some would be able to handle it.

 

[mutzrein]

Ah thank you.

Then why do we call it Trinty?

Why don't we just call it like it is?

Personally ,I don't really care one way or the other, what I know is that God is one, and He sent His Son, who was called the Word, which was with God, to be born a human, lived, crucified and was raised the third day, and is now sitting at the right hand of the Father. But after He rose from the grave, He told the His disciples that He would send the comforter/Holy Spirit, which would give them power to do good works. I would like to say something in addition to this, but I don’t believe some would be able to handle it.

If it is supported by scripture, let's hear it.

Blessings

 

[BFSmith764]

Ah thank you.

Then why do we call it Trinty?

Why don't we just call it like it is?

Personally ,I don't really care one way or the other, what I know is that God is one, and He sent His Son, who was called the Word, which was with God, to be born a human, lived, crucified and was raised the third day, and is now sitting at the right hand of the Father. But after He rose from the grave, He told the His disciples that He would send the comforter/Holy Spirit, which would give them power to do good works. I would like to say something in addition to this, but I don’t believe some would be able to handle it.

If it is supported by scripture, let's hear it.

Blessings

Ok, how many of us know that God's plan is to add us to the Trinity? God's plan is add us to Godhead.

John 17:20-23 (ASV)
20 Neither for these only do I pray, but for them also that believe on me through their word;
21 that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us: that the world may believe that thou didst send me.
22 And the glory which thou hast given me I have given unto them; that they may be one, even as we are one; 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be perfected into one; that the world may know that thou didst send me, and lovedst them, even as thou lovedst me.

Jesus is talking about the Godhead here; we have been made one with the Godhead. But this glory will not be made apparent until we have been changed at Jesus' second coming.

Just as the Father is in the Son, making them one, and as the Father has given the Son His glory, so now we too have been made one with the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. And the glory that was given the Son, He has given to us.

 

[theleast]

Can't say I like the word Godhead.

But aside from that the bride does get married to the Lamb.

 

[BFSmith764]

Can't say I like the word Godhead.

But aside from that the bride does get married to the Lamb.

Some of the things that Jesus says can be too much for some of us to believe, so very often we not accept them for what it mean. If you think the word Godhead is a problem, then how would you feel if I show you a scripture that tells us that when the sanints in the kingdom of God will be worshiped by those they rule over?

Revelation 3:9 - “Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lieâ€â€indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.

This is scripture might be hard for some of us to believe and we might dismist this to mean something else, but this is the same discription that is applies to Jesus.


(Revelation 15:4) - Who shall not fear You, 0 Lord, and glorify Your name?..For You alone are holy For all nations shall come and worship before You,….

Her is what the word worship means in those two scriptures.
Worship:
Greek Word: ÀÃÂοÃκÅνέÉ
Transliteration: proskyneÃ…Â
Phonetic Pronunciation:pros-koo-neh'-o
Root: from <G4314> and a probable derivative of <G2965> (meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master's hand)
Cross Reference: TDNT - 6:758,948
Part of Speech: v
Vine's Words: Worship, Worshiping


from <G4314> (pros) and a probably derivative of <G2965> (kuon) (meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master's hand); to fawn or crouch to, i.e. (literal or figurative) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore) :- worship.

Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary.


We often say that only God is worthy of worship, but the scripture also says that the children of God will be worshiped as well. As I said this might be too hard for some of us to believe because this goes against what we have been taught, so we will seek to find a way to explain it away to mean something else, but as far as I am concern it perfectly clear....it means exactly what it says.

 

[theleast]

You'll have to excuse me. I read the KJV. What version of the bible are you quoting?

 

[stovebolts]

Can't say I like the word Godhead.

What bothers you about the word Godhead?

Doing a quick KJV search, the word Godhead (theotes, Strongs 2320) comes up three times.

1. Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

2. Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

3. Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

 

[tim-from-pa]

Let me break into this discussion with an analogy regarding the Trinity and maybe that can help people envision it.

Simply put, if we are to understand God's three-fold nature, let's simply understand ours.

But to do that I will use a crude but I believe acceptable analogy with the moderator will enjoy since he's into this: the computer.

Body: the hardware
Soul: the software (this makes the very essence of the computer unique to any other--- anologous to being an "individual")
Spirit: the power that runs it.

Now, as any computer knowledgeable person will say, there isn't always a fine line between each and every one as one can be in the form of the other. All one computer, yet three parts interrelated.

That's how it is with man, and since we are created in God's image, God is similar.

To extend this, when the computer "dies" because of bad hardware, it is gone unless someone can resurrect it again.

I won't be so insensitive as to pronounce "everlasting" hell on anyone who does not understand the nature of God. Who can? If God only accepts perfect definitions of Himself to be saved, then I suppose a mentally challenged person can't inherit eternal life. You think such a person can understand what goes on in this discussion? But I think even a kid can understand the computer analogy, and I believe it is scriptural.

 

[Vic C.]

You'll have to excuse me. I read the KJV. What version of the bible are you quoting?

Thanks, that reminds me:

Posters, you have to source your Bible quotes if they are not from a translation that is public domain.

Copyright laws. We Christians don't want to break laws, do we?

 

[tim-from-pa]

Copyright Laws. Ha Ha.

How would you like to write something and then someone else paraphrases what you said and then lay a copyright to it?

Thank God that I'm not God. Otherwise, there'd be a lot of lightning bolts and piles of ashes all over the place.

This is why I'm a KJV man---- no copyright restrictions. Anyone who interprets God's Word and lays copyright to it I say guess what? It's no longer God's Word. It's man's word.

As for breaking the laws, I have the same respect for those so-called laws as RIAA and VIACOM. But this is a Christian forum . I won't mouth off as to the tens of thousands of philosophical errors they have in their belief system and the serious legalese error in our system.

 

[stovebolts]

tim_from_pa,

That was a pretty good analogy! Thank goodness the OS is more like Linux and not like MS :-D

 

[BFSmith764]

You'll have to excuse me. I read the KJV. What version of the bible are you quoting?

It does not matter, they all basically says the same thing.

 

[one_lost_coin]

Ah thank you.

Then why do we call it Trinty?

Why don't we just call it like it is?

I would think one reason we call it Trinity is that we can make our sentences shorter and by using that one word we can recall to our minds the entire meaning that the word Trinity conveys. The word has served Christianity well for 1600 years and maintaining the same word keeps us unified in thought with those that came before us and will keep us unified with those who came after us as any time words get needlessly changed over time reading the great Christian writings from the past becomes more difficult.

In the end All analogies of the Trinity break down there is not a perfect one and there never will be in drawing from creation to understand the relationships found in God who is outside of creation. Some truths can be explored through them but it should never be forgotten when doing so that they are all very inadaquet.

In my experience prayerfully meditating on the Baptism or Transfiguration of our Lord and either the athanasian or nicene creed is a most useful way to explore the Trinitarian God ...(God of God) light of light, true God of true God. Begotten not made...

 

[one_lost_coin]

I would like to add one thing that may have been overlooked about copyright laws is that they protect the translations from being altered by anyone who may wish to do so and therefore make it possible to maintain the integrity of the translation that otherwise would not be possible.

 

[tim-from-pa]

I would like to add one thing that may have been overlooked about copyright laws is that they protect the translations from being altered by anyone who may wish to do so and therefore make it possible to maintain the integrity of the translation that otherwise would not be possible.

Oh, you mean like the KJV that was radically changed over the years because it is not copyrighted? !: Oh yes, we must always have BIG government laws to protect us. It's too big of a job to God to protect His word and therefore man has to watch over it.

 

[tim-from-pa]

tim_from_pa,

That was a pretty good analogy! Thank goodness the OS is more like Linux and not like MS :-D

Yeah, I am booting this thing up in Knoppix once in awhile. When I find the time to learn more about this OS, I may install it on this computer permanently alongside Windows--- I'm in no hurry yet, unless this computer or one of our many computers need a new motherboard. That will be the day that I'll call Microsoft to activate something I already bought (see what these zany copyright laws do?) In that case, it will immediately be converted to Linux.

 

[Vic C.]

This is why I'm a KJV man---- no copyright restrictions. Anyone who interprets God's Word and lays copyright to it I say guess what? It's no longer God's Word. It's man's word.

As for breaking the laws, I have the same respect for those so-called laws as RIAA and VIACOM. But this is a Christian forum . I won't mouth off as to the tens of thousands of philosophical errors they have in their belief system and the serious legalese error in our system.

Tim, I am basically KJ because I have a preference for the Textus Receptus. I stay with the KJ for the same reasons as you, I like Public Domain. I quote YLT sometimes for the same PD reason. I'd also use NKJ more often in posts, but I'm too lazy to add the (version) to each verse or passage quoted.

Nevertheless, we as a site and staff ask that we respect the various copyright laws attached to the various Bible texts used.

I don't think we're asking too much. 8-)

Back to the Topic now... thanks.