A special Salvation

[Spirit Driven]

Give it up and just accept that the Greek and Hebrew Scriptures do not support Eternal Damnation. Any idiot can see that the adjective of a word mean "Eon" DOES NOT MEAN ETERNAL!

But it is not a matter of intelligence that is stopping you from seeing the truth. The Anti-Christ of Pride is getting in the way. See, Christians feel high and mighty believing they are the Chosen Ones of God. They feel smug calling non-Christians unbelievers and pretty prideful believing they will spend eternity in paradise, while the dirty unbelievers, adulterers, homosexuals, will spend eternity in torture under the "righteous" God.

You do not love your enemies, for if you did you would contest the eternal burning of most of humanity. You would speak out against the hypocrisy of God's Eternal Torture Chamber. You would look at your fellow human's faces and know in your heart that they do not deserve this fate.

Greetings Freind,

Our place is to announce the Evangel of good as Paul did.... Paul risked his life everyday doing this because he did not have the luxury of knowing who was predestinated by God to hear and believe.

If you encounter those who choose not to believe when hearing, judge them not, for it is God who has locked them up in disobedience that he may show mercy to them also.

Rejoice instead in what you have come to know.... for it is God that has revealed this to you..... all the Glory goes to God.

Grace and Peace to you freind

 

[jgredline]

By the theology that is taught by gospelfortoday this would mean that even the false prophet would be saved as well as the antichrist. This means that God is a puppet master pulling all the strings and that free will does not exsist. This means that I could commit murder and blaspheme God and commit the unpardonable sin and still end up in heaven. This means I will be singing songs of praise next to hitler and stallon having a great time with the millions of Jews that where killed in the hollocost. This means that all the pedifiles will having donuts in heaven with the children they molested. This means I could live like hell and still go to heaven.
This means that everybody who accepted the mark of the beast will also be in heaven. Personally all this above is discusting to me. It is from the devil.

This further proves my case. Mercy and kindness disgust you. Everything good and holy is an abomination to your eyes. Is it really that wrong that God might just save Hilter and forgive him? Is God having mercy that repugnant to your dead heart? Is it so wrong that maybe the kids molested will be able to forgive the pedofiles which did this to them?

First you took what I said out of context. You did what cults do and used only the sentences that fit your view.
What did I write at the end of the paragraph that you quoted out of. I said Personally all this above is discusting to me. It is from the devil. What do the statements that I said mean??
Friend. I will keep boldly preaching the Gospel Of Jesus Christ with all that is in me. I will NOT LOVE ANYBODY TO HELL... as what is being taught here by universal salvation. I suggest you read my post again in context and above all read your bible. Like I said. This universal salvation fits in nice with your ying and yang , mason , smorgasborg religion. Repent and be baptized.

 

[Gendou Ikari]

First you took what I said out of context. You did what cults do and used only the sentences that fit your view.
What did I write at the end of the paragraph that you quoted out of. I said Personally all this above is discusting to me. It is from the devil. What do the statements that I said mean??

I took nothing out of context. You said you are disgusted by the concept that God will save everybody and that is exactly what I attacked you on.

Friend. I will keep boldly preaching the Gospel Of Jesus Christ with all that is in me. I will NOT LOVE ANYBODY TO HELL... as what is being taught here by universal salvation. I suggest you read my post again in context and above all read your bible. Like I said. This universal salvation fits in nice with your ying and yang , mason , smorgasborg religion. Repent and be baptized.

Don't you people listen to a word I say. I will say it again. I am not a bloody mason!

If you encounter those who choose not to believe when hearing, judge them not,

You're right... I went a little over the top there. I should try and be more understanding. I guess I see past myself in these people and tend to get angry at myself.

 

[jgredline]

First you took what I said out of context. You did what cults do and used only the sentences that fit your view.
What did I write at the end of the paragraph that you quoted out of. I said Personally all this above is discusting to me. It is from the devil. What do the statements that I said mean??

I took nothing out of context. You said you are disgusted by the concept that God will save everybody and that is exactly what I attacked you on.

Show me where I said this? Why are you slandering me?
Perhaps your not disgusted by pedofiles, but I am. Perhaps your not disgusted by Killers, but I am. Show me where I said I am disgusted by the concept that God will save everybody.. I will be awaiting your response.

Now I will say this. The theology of universal salvation is doctrines of demons and that does disgust me. As far as people, goes I do pray that ALL people including you will come to a saving Grace in Jesus Christ. Will this prayer of mine be answered. No. Not all people will be saved.

1 tim 4:1
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons

 

[Gendou Ikari]

Show me where I said this? Why are you slandering me?
Perhaps your not disgusted by pedofiles, but I am. Perhaps your not disgusted by Killers, but I am. Show me where I said I am disgusted by the concept that God will save everybody.. I will be awaiting your response.

Now I will say this. The theology of universal salvation is doctrines of demons and that does disgust me. As far as people, goes I do pray that ALL people including you will come to a saving Grace in Jesus Christ. Will this prayer of mine be answered. No. Not all people will be saved.

This is double-speak. You say you are not disgusted by the concept that God will save everybody, but you say you are disgusted by the doctrine of Universal Salvation.

Now I will say this. The theology of universal salvation is doctrines of demons and that does disgust me. As far as people, goes I do pray that ALL people including you will come to a saving Grace in Jesus Christ. Will this prayer of mine be answered. No. Not all people will be saved.

Maybe you shouldn't pray for me, because I really don't want to spend eternity with a God who is going to torture most of Humanity for All Eternity.

 

[jgredline]

Maybe you shouldn't pray for me, because I really don't want to spend eternity with a God who is going to torture most of Humanity for All Eternity.

Well, just remember when your sitting at the great white thrown judgement seat that by rejecting Jesus and saying you don't want to spend all eternity with a riteouse and loving God, who because he is holy will have no choice but send you where you want to go. HELL..
I don't get it nor do I understand how someone would choose to go there, but here it is. You have choosen that path.

In saying this, Jesus is ready to forgive you of all your sins and declare you riteouse by his blood that was shed on the cross and offer you the gift of everlasting life if you choose him.
Its your choice. Be smart.
Jg

 

[Gendou Ikari]

Well, just remember when your sitting at the great white thrown judgement seat that by rejecting Jesus and saying you don't want to spend all eternity with a riteouse and loving God, who because he is holy will have no choice but send you where you want to go. HELL..
I don't get it nor do I understand how someone would choose to go there, but here it is. You have choosen that path.

You do not understand it because you can apparently stomach the idea of a human being burning in hell for all eternity. I look into the Eyes of someone and it connects me to their soul. There is nothing, I tell you, nothing they could do that I could subject a single human being, even the evilest human being, to an eternity in hell. There is nothing that will make me hate them for all eternity. I can't help it. I love humanity. Now, you are going to tell me that God is actually going to give up on a single soul? You are going to tell me that God's love for humanity is less than my love for humanity? You are going to tell me My Imperfect Human Love is more willing to forgive others than the Love of God?

 

[cyberjosh]

Give it up and just accept that the Greek and Hebrew Scriptures do not support Eternal Damnation. Any idiot can see that the adjective of a word mean "Eon" DOES NOT MEAN ETERNAL!

So what happens when your eon expires?

You are going to tell me that God's love for humanity is less than my love for humanity?

And what exactly is your "love for humanity" Mr. Gendou? What is it that you love? Is it something that is morally esteeming, some infinite potential that humans have, some grand purpose outside of our creator, some knowledge that allows us to know more than God, some spiritual eyes to examine our condition better than God can, some purity of ourselves owing it to no one, something worthy of demanding acquittal?

What is the source of your love? What standard do you hold it to?

Perhaps I have misread you but exalting one's self above God is foolishness. Satan learned, and the people at Babel learned.

 

[jgredline]

Well, just remember when your sitting at the great white thrown judgement seat that by rejecting Jesus and saying you don't want to spend all eternity with a riteouse and loving God, who because he is holy will have no choice but send you where you want to go. HELL..
I don't get it nor do I understand how someone would choose to go there, but here it is. You have choosen that path.

You do not understand it because you can apparently stomach the idea of a human being burning in hell for all eternity. I look into the Eyes of someone and it connects me to their soul. There is nothing, I tell you, nothing they could do that I could subject a single human being, even the evilest human being, to an eternity in hell. There is nothing that will make me hate them for all eternity. I can't help it. I love humanity. Now, you are going to tell me that God is actually going to give up on a single soul? You are going to tell me that God's love for humanity is less than my love for humanity? You are going to tell me My Imperfect Human Love is more willing to forgive others than the Love of God?

The reason I do not understand is because I have by the blessing of God a good understanding of the bible. All the answers as to why a Loving God would ''send people to Hell are covered in the first part of Romans.

Listen. Its not easy for me to say things like GospelforToday.org is doctrine of Demons. I would much rather be discussing 1 cor 13:4 or the fruit of the Spirit, or even cool OT stories. I am as passive a person as you will ever meet who gives out of his pocket to help whom he can. I would love nothing better than to preach the Good news, and when I came to this Forum, I came here to find friendly fellowship, read and pray for people in the prayer rooms, learn some stuff and hang out. Turns out there are so many false teachers out there and false religions in this board and while the Mods and Admins do a great job of policeing them, there is simply too much activity here. Its been in my expieriance that when ever you find this much false teaching it is also because the WORD OF GOD IS ALSO BEING PROCLAIMED LOUD AND CLEAR here on 123 and so the evil one places his armies here to kill, steal and destroy. I can't sit back and say nothing when I see people being led astray to eternal damnation. I just can't do that.

If trully you would like to have a better understanding of why I am so passionate about what I believe and why I believe it, I would be willing to go through the book or Romans with you and you will see that what I say is not my opinion, but its what God says and what he commands.
Even if we only go through Chapter 8 if you let it, I promise it will change your life. Why I am willing to make such a promise. Because it will not be me but the word of the Living God.

Romans 1:16-17
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "The just shall live by faith." 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness

I am extending you this offer.
I know its hard to understand, but I do this because I do love you and do not want you or anybody to end up in Hell, but the reality is that many will.
Blessings,
Javier

 

[Solo]

And Now let us read the same scripture from a correctly translated Bible, that translates directly from the Original Greek into English, with out making an interpretation influenced by a Doctrine a translater was influenced by....

31 "Now, whenever the Son of Mankind may be coming in His glory, and all the holy messengers with Him, then shall He be seated on the throne of His glory,
32 and in front of Him shall be gathered all the nations. And He shall be severing them from one another even as a shepherd is severing the sheep from the kids.
33 And He shall be standing the sheep, indeed, at His right, yet the kids at the left.
34 "Then shall the King be declaring to those at His right, 'Hither, blessed of My Father! Enjoy the allotment of the kingdom made ready for you from the disruption of the world.
35 For I hunger and you give Me to eat' I thirst and you give Me drink; a stranger was I and you took Me in;
36 naked and you clothed Me; infirm am I and you visit Me; in jail was I and you come to Me.'
37 "Then the just will be answering Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we perceive Thee hungering and nourish Thee, or thirsting and we give Thee drink?
38 Now when did we perceive Thee a stranger and took Thee in, or naked and we clothed Thee?
39 Now when did we perceive Thee infirm, or in jail, and we came to Thee?'
40 "And, answering, the King shall be declaring to them, 'Verily, I am saying to you, In as much as you do it to one of these, the least of My brethren, you do it to Me.'
41 "Then shall He be declaring to those also at His left, 'Go from Me, you cursed, into the fire eonian, made ready for the Adversary and his messengers.
42 For I hunger and you do not give Me to eat; I thirst and you do not give Me drink;
43 a stranger was I and you did not take Me in; naked and you did not clothe Me; infirm and in jail and you did not visit Me.'
44 "Then shall they also be answering, saying, 'Lord, when did we perceive you hungering or thirsting, or a stranger, or naked, or infirm, or in jail, and we did not serve you?'
45 "Then shall He be answering them, saying, 'Verily, I am saying to you, In as much as you do it not to one of these, the least, neither do you it to Me.'
46 And these shall be coming away into chastening eonian, yet the just into life eonian."

As you can see the Righteouse enjoy Eonion life with Christ until the consumation of Gods plan, the final enemy that God does away with is death, when all are recalled into being by God from the second death.
You need a correctly translated Bible to even come close to understanding the truth of the Gospel...... not what somebody eleses misinterpretatation has been taught to you every day of your life, so that you cannot believe anything else is possible......even though that teaching contradicts all the scripture posted above..... remember only liars contradict themselves....
does your theology contradict itself ?


Grace and Peace to you

The translation claimed as being the true translation is AE Kouch's Concordant Literal New Testament, which is called the Universalist Bible, and has been rendered in the last 80 years. with a Universalist perspective. I don't expect for you to submit to the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ, as you have been taken in by the deception of the god of this world. You are also in violation of this forum's rules concerning universal reconciliation. It is not a topic allowed on this forum, nor is it within the tenets of the Christian faith. Sorry. It was also interesting to see that the Concordant LIteral New Testament uses the word "Thee" instead of "you" in it's translation, just as Young's Literal Translation. Why?

Anyway, let's look at the original Greek Text and the English translations of the Authorized KJV, the Young's Literal, the American Standard, and AE Knochs Concordant Literal New Testament.

English: King James Version
Greek NT: Textus Receptus (1550/1894)
English: Young's Literal Translation
English: New American Standard Bible
English: AE Knochs Concordant Literal New Testament

Matthew 25:31-46

31. When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: KJV
31 οταν δε ελθη ο υιος του ανθρωπου εν τη δοξη αυτου και παντες οι αγιοι αγγελοι μετ αυτου τοτε καθισει επι θρονου δοξης αυτου GkTR
31. `And whenever the Son of Man may come in his glory, and all the holy messengers with him, then he shall sit upon a throne of his glory; YLT
31. "But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. NASB
31 "Now, whenever the Son of Mankind may be coming in His glory, and all the holy messengers with Him, then shall He be seated on the throne of His glory, CLNT

32. And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: KJV
32 και συναχθησεται εμπροσθεν αυτου παντα τα εθνη και αφοριει αυτους απ αλληλων ωσπερ ο ποιμην αφοριζει τα προβατα απο των εριφων GkTR
32. and gathered together before him shall be all the nations, and he shall separate them from one another, as the shepherd doth separate the sheep from the goats, YLT
32. "All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; NASB
32 and in front of Him shall be gathered all the nations. And He shall be severing them from one another even as a shepherd is severing the sheep from the kids. CLNT

33. And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. KJV
33 και στησει τα μεν προβατα εκ δεξιων αυτου τα δε εριφια εξ ευωνυμων GkTR
33. and he shall set the sheep indeed on his right hand, and the goats on the left. YLT
33. and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left. NASB
33 And He shall be standing the sheep, indeed, at His right, yet the kids at the left. CLNT

34. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: KJV
34 τοτε ερει ο βασιλευς τοις εκ δεξιων αυτου δευτε οι ευλογημενοι του πατρος μου κληρονομησατε την ητοιμασμενην υμιν βασιλειαν απο καταβολης κοσμου GkTR
34. `Then shall the king say to those on his right hand, Come ye, the blessed of my Father, inherit the reign that hath been prepared for you from the foundation of the world; YLT
34. "Then the King will say to those on His right, `Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. NASB
34 "Then shall the King be declaring to those at His right, 'Hither, blessed of My Father! Enjoy the allotment of the kingdom made ready for you from the disruption of the world. CLNT

35. For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: KJV
35 επεινασα γαρ και εδωκατε μοι φαγειν εδιψησα και εποτισατε με ξενος ημην και συνηγαγετε με GkTR
35. for I did hunger, and ye gave me to eat; I did thirst, and ye gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and ye received me; YLT
35. `For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; NASB
35 For I hunger and you give Me to eat' I thirst and you give Me drink; a stranger was I and you took Me in; CLNT

36. Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. KJV
36γυμνος και περιεβαλετε με ησθενησα και επεσκεψασθε με εν φυλακη ημην και ηλθετε προς με GkTR
36. naked, and ye put around me; I was infirm, and ye looked after me; in prison I was, and ye came unto me. YLT
36. naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.' NASB
36 naked and you clothed Me; infirm am I and you visit Me; in jail was I and you come to Me.' CLNT

37. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? KJV
37. τοτε αποκριθησονται αυτω οι δικαιοι λεγοντες κυριε ποτε σε ειδομεν πεινωντα και εθρεψαμεν η διψωντα και εποτισαμεν GkTR
37. `Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when did we see thee hungering, and we nourished? or thirsting, and we gave to drink? YLT
37. "Then the righteous will answer Him, `Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink? NASB
37 "Then the just will be answering Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we perceive Thee hungering and nourish Thee, or thirsting and we give Thee drink? CLNT

38. When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? KJV
38. ποτε δε σε ειδομεν ξενον και συνηγαγομεν η γυμνον και περιεβαλομεν GkTR
38. and when did we see thee a stranger, and we received? or naked, and we put around? YLT
38. `And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You? NASB
38 Now when did we perceive Thee a stranger and took Thee in, or naked and we clothed Thee? CLNT

39. Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? KJV
39. ποτε δε σε ειδομεν ασθενη η εν φυλακη και ηλθομεν προς σε GkTR
39. and when did we see thee infirm, or in prison, and we came unto thee? YLT
39. `When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?' NASB
39 Now when did we perceive Thee infirm, or in jail, and we came to Thee?' CLNT

40. And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. KJV
40. και αποκριθεις ο βασιλευς ερει αυτοις αμην λεγω υμιν εφ οσον εποιησατε ενι τουτων των αδελφων μου των ελαχιστων εμοι εποιησατε GkTR
40. `And the king answering, shall say to them, Verily I say to you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] to one of these my brethren -- the least -- to me ye did [it]. YLT
40. "The King will answer and say to them, `Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.' NASB
40 "And, answering, the King shall be declaring to them, 'Verily, I am saying to you, In as much as you do it to one of these, the least of My brethren, you do it to Me.' CLNT

41. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: KJV
41. τοτε ερει και τοις εξ ευωνυμων πορευεσθε απ εμου οι κατηραμενοι εις το πυρ το αιωνιον το ητοιμασμενον τω διαβολω και τοις αγγελοις αυτου GkTR
41. Then shall he say also to those on the left hand, Go ye from me, the cursed, to the fire, the age-during, that hath been prepared for the Devil and his messengers; YLT
41. "Then He will also say to those on His left, `Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; NASB
41 "Then shall He be declaring to those also at His left, 'Go from Me, you cursed, into the fire eonian, made ready for the Adversary and his messengers. CLNT

42. For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: KJV
42. επεινασα γαρ και ουκ εδωκατε μοι φαγειν εδιψησα και ουκ εποτισατε με GkTR
42. for I did hunger, and ye gave me not to eat; I did thirst, and ye gave me not to drink; YLT
42. for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink; NASB
42 For I hunger and you do not give Me to eat; I thirst and you do not give Me drink; CLNT

43. I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. KJV
43. ξενος ημην και ου συνηγαγετε με γυμνος και ου περιεβαλετε με ασθενης και εν φυλακη και ουκ επεσκεψασθε με GkTR
43. a stranger I was, and ye did not receive me; naked, and ye put not around me; infirm, and in prison, and ye did not look after me. YLT
43. I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.' NASB
43 a stranger was I and you did not take Me in; naked and you did not clothe Me; infirm and in jail and you did not visit Me.' CLNT

44. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? KJV
44. τοτε αποκριθησονται αυτω και αυτοι λεγοντες κυριε ποτε σε ειδομεν πεινωντα η διψωντα η ξενον η γυμνον η ασθενη η εν φυλακη και ου διηκονησαμεν σοι GkTR
44. `Then shall they answer, they also, saying, Lord, when did we see thee hungering, or thirsting, or a stranger, or naked, or infirm, or in prison, and we did not minister to thee? YLT
44. "Then they themselves also will answer, `Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?' NASB
44 "Then shall they also be answering, saying, 'Lord, when did we perceive you hungering or thirsting, or a stranger, or naked, or infirm, or in jail, and we did not serve you?' CLNT

45. Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. KJV
45. τοτε αποκριθησεται αυτοις λεγων αμην λεγω υμιν εφ οσον ουκ εποιησατε ενι τουτων των ελαχιστων ουδε εμοι εποιησατε GkTR
45. `Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say to you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of these, the least, ye did [it] not to me. YLT
45. "Then He will answer them, `Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.' NASB
45 "Then shall He be answering them, saying, 'Verily, I am saying to you, In as much as you do it not to one of these, the least, neither do you it to Me.' CLNT

46. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. KJV
46. και απελευσονται ουτοι εις κολασιν αιωνιον οι δε δικαιοι εις ζωην αιωνιον GkTR
46. And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.' YLT
46. "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." NASB
46 And these shall be coming away into chastening eonian, yet the just into life eonian." CLNT


The Greek Word αιωνιον is an adjective and has three definitions. They are:

1. without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be[/*:m:d8205]
2. without beginning[/*:m:d8205]
3. without end, never to cease, everlasting[/*:m:d8205]

Young's Literal Translation translates αιωνιον as "age-during", and Concordant Literal New Testament translates αιωνιον as "eonian".

The word αιωνιον is used 69 times in the new testament. It is translated 42 times as "eternal", and 25 times as "everlasting". The same word is used when Jesus speaks of "eternal" life, "everlasting" fire, and "everlasting "punishment". The complete counsel of scripture dictates that the word αιωνιον transcends created time, and is representative of that existance not bounded by time; in other words eternal, everlasting, forever, without beginning or end.

Here is some information pertaining to A E Knoch's CLNT:

http://www.cogscreations.net/thingsonmymind/clt.htm
http://www.1john57.com/literalerror.htm
http://www.tyndale.cam.ac.uk/scriptures/CLNT.htm



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[Gendou Ikari]

So what happens when your eon expires?

The Scriptures never tell us.

And what exactly is your "love for humanity" Mr. Gendou? What is it that you love? Is it something that is morally esteeming, some infinite potential that humans have, some grand purpose outside of our creator, some knowledge that allows us to know more than God, some spiritual eyes to examine our condition better than God can, some purity of ourselves owing it to no one, something worthy of demanding acquittal?

What is the source of your love? What standard do you hold it to?

I love humanity because God created us for a purpose. Everything God creates has value. I refuse to believe God created some to burn for all eternity.

"Why were a few, or a single one, made at all, if only to exist in order to be made eternally miserable, which is infinitely worse than non-existence?" –Immanuel Kant, “End of All Thingsâ€Â

Perhaps I have misread you but exalting one's self above God is foolishness. Satan learned, and the people at Babel learned.

I never exalted myself above God, just the bastardization Christian Fundamentalism portrays.

I am extending you this offer.
I know its hard to understand, but I do this because I do love you and do not want you or anybody to end up in Hell, but the reality is that many will.
Blessings,
Javier

Thanks for the offer Javier but could never spend eternity with a being willing to torture most of humanity.

 

[jgredline]

Solo
Its good to see and read your postings again. I have missed them.

I must tell you that when I read spirit drivens interpretaion of the glorias scriptures it took all that I had not to respond to them. I knew you would, and I am glad I waited because you have done a great , great job. Much better than I would have done and I studied Greek..

Personally I like the cultist (spritidriven) here as she / they are in over thier heads here. Time to expose these false teachers for what they are. Thier lies can't hold water against the truths of the bible.

Blessings my friend
Javier

 

[Spirit Driven]

It is just a word for word translation..... that is all.
Nothing more and nothing less....

You can believe what you like.... it is of no consequence to me, those who where predestinated to hear and believe already have, you had no hope of preventing it.

It happens every day...... those who choose not to believe the correct translation of the Greek into English..... are also meant to be the way they they are.....its Gods plan not ours.


Grace and Peace to you

 

[Solo]

Those of us who have studied the Greek, know the differences between the various speculations of those who suggest that their English translation is better than others' English translations, and to suggest that the 80 year old Concordant Literal New Testament is a non-biased translation that is the only English translation that correctly translates the Greek into English word for word is ludicrous.

God is perfect in his revelation, and it is no accident that He used the specificity of the Greek language to introduce His New Covenant of Grace to those of the latter days. The Greek is much more precise in meaning than the Hebrew or English. Praise God for his greatness!

I do agree with you on this point, "You can believe what you like.... it is of no consequence to me, those who were predestinated to hear and believe already have, you had no hope of preventing it".

Those that would attempt to change the truth of the Word of God are miserably confounded by the interpretation given by the Spirit of God; therefore, those that proclaim the Word of God through the Spirit of God recognize the doctrines of devils, and are comforted in knowing that the sheep know Jesus' voice, and not the voice of the liar.

 

[Spirit Driven]

Those who accuse others show the master they serve by what comes out of their own mouth....
Many reasonable people are following these posts...... look at what you have done to yourself...... out of your own mouth too.

You are forgiven with me however.


Grace and Peace to you

 

[Solo]

Those who accuse others show the master they serve by what comes out of their own mouth....
Many reasonable people are following these posts...... look at what you have done to yourself...... out of your own mouth too.

You are forgiven with me however.


Grace and Peace to you

I have discerned false teachings, and may the Lord Jesus Christ rebuke you. My master teaches about the truths that you reject, and you will continue to spread false teachings until the Holy Spirit dwells within you. Examine yourself thoroughly before attempting to spew false witness about another. It isn't nice to speak wrongly about one who gives the full counsel of God in scripture, and exposes the lies of the enemy.

 

[Spirit Driven]

You have only made accusations and attacks on anybody who does not agree with your view.....

You promote the Gospel of self righteouseness out of your own mouth, with almost every word you speak, from your first post to your last..... you do not decieve me in any way as to the master you serve......

I will not speak on this matter further.....it is not my place to argue with you...... the Lord rebuke you....

 

[Solo]

You have only made accusations and attacks on anybody who does not agree with your view.....

You promote the Gospel of self righteouseness out of your own mouth, with almost every word you speak, from your first post to your last..... you do not decieve me in any way as to the master you serve......

I will not speak on this matter further.....it is not my place to argue with you...... the Lord rebuke you....

Let us determine who has promoted self righteousness in their post, without commenting civilly on the scripture that was submitted by me to show the inadequacy of not taking in the whole counsel of God. Here is the first post of contention written by you.

As you can see the Righteouse enjoy Eonion life with Christ until the consumation of Gods plan, the final enemy that God does away with is death, when all are recalled into being by God from the second death.
You need a correctly translated Bible to even come close to understanding the truth of the Gospel...... not what somebody eleses misinterpretatation has been taught to you every day of your life, so that you cannot believe anything else is possible......even though that teaching contradicts all the scripture posted above..... remember only liars contradict themselves....
does your theology contradict itself ?


Grace and Peace to you

 

[Gendou Ikari]

without commenting civilly on the scripture that was submitted by me to show the inadequacy of not taking in the whole counsel of God.

May I offer something in Spirit Driven's place.

How is it that "Aion" means "Eon," yet you claim "Aionion," the adjective, means "Eternal?"

 

[cyberjosh]

May I offer something in Spirit Driven's place.

How is it that "Aion" means "Eon," yet you claim "Aionion," the adjective, means "Eternal?"

Here's a question for you: are there any words (Hebrew or Greek) in the Bible which denote eternity such as "forever" or "everlasting" etc...?

If not then why not? For example, I personally can't picture when God the Father said to Jesus "You are High Priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek" that "forever" means a term with and ending especially since it is contrasted with the temporal Old Testament priesthood which was a mere shadow of the things to come.

I'm just wondering at the extent that you are pushing this "no eternity" interpretation on the Bible.