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A thief in the night?

JLB said:
The pre-trib belief must be then, that Jesus comes before the tribulation to personally destroy the antichrist?

That is something to truly laugh about!
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No what you are speaking of is when he returns with fire in his eyes with all the angels and the elect to end it all
 
Blain said:
lol u do realize you just described the pretrib belief right? And I quote-when he comes from heaven to earth to gather all his ppl from the farthest part of heaven to the farthest part of earth first the he will execute his wrath.
u did my work for me:b
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Jesus comes at the end of the tribulation period. That's not pre-trib.
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ze problem I have with futurism is that well isreal isn't a church. but then what exactly am I then if do as tog? what will be the new way? with the trib there has to be a way the saints have to know the word. with that level of attack how will god just not let them see what the time is. then if that is the case. they can count the day of his return.
 
Blain said:
No what you are speaking of is when he returns with fire in his eyes with all the angels and the elect to end it all
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so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
Hebrews 9:28

He only comes once more and every eye will see Him.

JLB
 
JLB said:
so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
Hebrews 9:28

He only comes once more and every eye will see Him.

JLB
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ah I see my mistake, however scripture even says we are not appointed to wrath and the tribulation is nothing but his wrath. trust me when I say you dont want to be here when the tribulation begins
 
Blain said:
ah I see my mistake, however scripture even says we are not appointed to wrath and the tribulation is nothing but his wrath. trust me when I say you dont want to be here when the tribulation begins
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Where in scripture is this tribulation equated to His wrath?
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The seven year tribulation is given two names.
The first 3.5 years is simply called (the tribulation).
The last 3.5 years is simply called (the great tribulation).
The first 3.5 years is when the seals are open, this is simply the Antichrist taking over.
The last 3.5 years is when the trumpets and bowls are open, the last 3.5 years is God's wrath.
 
Blain said:
I believe it was the bowls
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If all believers have been raptured, who is Christ addressing in verse 15?

Revelation 16
15 “Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.”
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I believe Rebas right lets head to the endtimes forum before we continue oh and DRS81 ty for explaining that to me im learning all the time:thumbsup
 
reba said:
Where do we find the words 'the great tribulation' in Scripture?
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Here are two.

Matthew 24
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Revelation 7
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.


The bible calls it "great tribulation", not "The Great Tribulation".

It makes a difference.
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"Truly i tell you some of you standing here ( those standing right in front of him)will not die unless you see the kingdom of God" and "truly i tell you , you will not finish going through all the tribes of Israel before i come in my kingdom.
Were any of you standing there when he said it which by my reckoning was over 2000 years ago.
 
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