A.W. PINK AND THE DEFINITION OF "KOSMOS"

[for_his_glory]

Jonah said, Salvation is OF THE LORD.
It is not of human origin. It comes from God and He is the originator of salvation.
Religion is man's attempt at saving himself.

Jonah did say this in Jonah 2:9 as well as it has been said many times in scripture that no one can save themselves apart from the saving grace of God for God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

You're adding to the Scripture. Jonah didn't say, "Salvation is of the Lord to whosoever believes in the name of Jesus.
Jesus taught salvation is impossible with men.

Never said Jonah said this as Jesus spoke this to His disciples in John 3:16-21.

The question is, "Who then can be saved?"
Jesus replied, "With men this [salvation] is impossible."

So, salvation is impossible with men.

You are taking Matthew 19:26 out of context of the whole of Matthew 19:16-30 about the parable of the rich man. Man can not save themselves as salvation only comes from the Lord, John 3:16.

Light [Christ] is come into the world and men love darkness rather than light [Christ.]

That's why men cannot and do not come to Christ to be saved. It's IMPOSSIBLE.

It's only those who reject God and His Son Christ Jesus that love the darkness as they are lovers of their own lust.
Calvinism teaches a false doctrine that either you were chosen from the beginning of time or you were not and that's all there is to it. Wow, you talk about doctrines of devils as this is a lie straight from Satan himself. Nowhere is this found in scripture.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
John 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
John 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

 

[jeremiah1five]

jeremiah1five Did a little homework on A.W. Pink the man you follow as you believe in this Calvinistic false doctrine.

A.W. Pink was so wishy washy going from one occult doctrine to another so called religious doctrines and wasn't very well liked because of his personality that later on in life led him to have a nervous breakdown. His impolitic preaching of Calvinist doctrine resulted in a unanimous resolve of the Baptist Fraternal of New South Wales not to endorse him.

I'm not well liked, either.
People that post truth are not at all well liked.

It's alleged that Pink's personality made it difficult for him to have a successful pastoral ministry. He has been criticized for being to individualistic and of too critical a temperament lacking the benefit of thorough theological discussions with other men.

Truth can't be compromised.

His Pastorals, as he decided to become a Pastor without the calling or the anointing of the Holy Spirit led him from one Baptist church to another as he was not very well received so he left the pastorals and decided to write books instead. He became a recluse not wanting anyone to help him or even visit him later on in life.

No comment.

Anyway, anyone can read his biography like I did and Calvinism believe that at the beginning of time God selected a limited number of souls to grant salvation and there is nothing any individual person can do during their mortal life to alter their eternal fate. Either you were chosen or you were not and that's all there is to it.

That's correct.

This is a false doctrine that completely comes against scripture like that of John 3:16-21 and every other scripture that speaks of our salvation through Christ by that of God's grace extended to all who will receive it.

Context, context, context.
The word "world" must be understood in context to its subject.
Too bad you don't understand this.
But what do you do when you have two seemingly contradictory passages?
Choose the one that best suits your personal beliefs?
I used to believe in Arminianism until I came across Scripture that contradicted that God loves everyone and Christ died for everyone but as a good Christian should do, I allowed the Scripture to inform my beliefs. I never read or studied Augustine or Calvin but as I studied more and more Scripture, I began to see I lined up with most of what these two taught as I learned more and more and read more and more. I'm not Reformed. But I lean towards most of their theology. They don't believe Judas is saved. I do.
And other things.

 

[TahitiRun]

So then you hold to unorthodox doctrines which are false doctrines.

There are better and correct ways of understanding "the doctrines of Grace" taught by Christ, Paul and the other apostles. We're not limited to the soiled minds of Calvin, Augustine or the Remonstrants. So why do so?

As for "seeking God" or "doing good". I would agree that none seek God or do good according to the flesh. And until born of God, that's all man (or soul, if you will) has to work with.

 

[for_his_glory]

I'm not well liked, either.
People that post truth are not at all well liked.

Truth can't be compromised.

No comment.

That's correct.

Context, context, context.
The word "world" must be understood in context to its subject.
Too bad you don't understand this.
But what do you do when you have two seemingly contradictory passages?
Choose the one that best suits your personal beliefs?
I used to believe in Arminianism until I came across Scripture that contradicted that God loves everyone and Christ died for everyone but as a good Christian should do, I allowed the Scripture to inform my beliefs. I never read or studied Augustine or Calvin but as I studied more and more Scripture, I began to see I lined up with most of what these two taught as I learned more and more and read more and more. I'm not Reformed. But I lean towards most of their theology. They don't believe Judas is saved. I do.
And other things.

You claim it to be truth only by what you have learned from the teachings of Calvinism that come against scripture that has been proven as you add to and take away from scripture without realizing you do this as you follow the false teachings of A.W. Pink.

Here are all the scriptures taken from the KJV about predestination

 

[TahitiRun]

I'm not well liked, either.
People that post truth are not at all well liked.

Join the team...lol I just had my best posts deleted in the "Calvinism" forum. From now on I'm going to archive them for future use...lol

 

[for_his_glory]

In the OT and NT God did specifically call out certain prophets and disciples by name as he elected them before they were even formed in the womb, Jeremiah 1:5. This does not make God a respecter of person, it just means they were called for Gods purpose as they were the Hebrew children of promise through the seed of Abraham being of that same covenant God made with Abraham in Genesis 12:1-3. We being formed in the womb as a Gentile and given the breath (spirit) of God for us to be a living soul can now through Christ Jesus be grafted into that seed of Abraham that we to can be a part of Gods covenant promises to that of a thousand generations.

God does not select before the womb those who will spend eternity with Him or those who will be cast into the lake of fire. God is a sovereign God that in his love and patience for us would not want anyone to perish and only God knows the intents of the heart as he judges us, 2 Peter 3:9. God wants all of us to come to repentance, John 3:16, but not everyone will for the way they are raised from birth as many love darkness of sin over that of the light of Christ.

Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.

God predestined the plan (not man) of salvation before the foundation of the world through Christ Jesus in whom we have salvation through His finished works.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You claim it to be truth only by what you have learned from the teachings of Calvinism that come against scripture that has been proven as you add to and take away from scripture without realizing you do this as you follow the false teachings of A.W. Pink.

Here are all the scriptures taken from the KJV about predestination

As I said, I never, repeat, NEVER read Augustine of Calvin.

But as I studied the Scriptures, I learned to receive what Scripture said about things.
What I was being taught early from the pulpit contradicted many places what Scripture said.
So, I had to make a decision: Do I accept what my pastor(s) and other speakers were saying or do I accept the Scripture.
I chose to accept the Scripture. And in my many years of reading and studying (and I still never read Calvin) I found that I came to the same conclusions on MOST doctrine as Augustine and Calvin. WHY? I never rad Calvin but I came to the same conclusions as Calvin on most of what's called the Doctrines of Grace," or as you call it, "Calvinism.
WHY didn't my studies of Scripture lead me to believe what's called Arminianism? There came a point in the last 30 years that I began to study these two schools of thought that are in mainline Christianity. WHY did my studies lead me closer in theology to Calvin than it did Arminianism?
That's because as with Calvin the Holy Spirit guided my studies towards the same things. And being ex-Catholic and the history of the Reformation it was the Reformation and those that partook of its beginnings in various European countries that was a RETURN to the Scriptures. Before this only the Catholic priests had their Latin Bible and did not want to common man on the street to read the Scriptures (there were no translations available) because knowing and having Scripture they could tell the people whatever they wanted to control the people. They developed their own theology, and this allowed them to control the masses.
But if the people had a translation of the Scripture they would know and could know whether or not their religious leaders were actually teaching the truth. But along with this came an explosion in time of many kinds of beliefs and this led to Mormonism, Armstrongism, Pentecostalism, Methodism, and all the other "ism's" out there of false churches and bad theology. Yes, even Pentecostalism is a false church. I was born again by Christ, but my birth church was Pentecostal (Assemblies of God) and as I learned to study Church History and Denominations, I was able to hold each church and movement up against the Word of God and found many were lacking in good theology.
And there are a great many more Scriptures than what you posted that address Predestination and Election and the real definition of the word "world" in the Bible.
And that's where I see your error. But no one can change your mind. No one except the Holy Spirit.
IF you let Him.

 

[for_his_glory]

But as I studied the Scriptures, I learned to receive what Scripture said about things.
What I was being taught early from the pulpit contradicted many places what Scripture said.
So, I had to make a decision: Do I accept what my pastor(s) and other speakers were saying or do I accept the Scripture.
I chose to accept the Scripture. And in my many years of reading and studying (and I still never read Calvin) I found that I came to the same conclusions on MOST doctrine as Augustine and Calvin. WHY? I never rad Calvin but I came to the same conclusions as Calvin on most of what's called the Doctrines of Grace," or as you call it, "Calvinism.
WHY didn't my studies of Scripture lead me to believe what's called Arminianism? There came a point in the last 30 years that I began to study these two schools of thought that are in mainline Christianity. WHY did my studies lead me closer in theology to Calvin than it did Arminianism?
That's because as with Calvin the Holy Spirit guided my studies towards the same things. And being ex-Catholic and the history of the Reformation it was the Reformation and those that partook of its beginnings in various European countries that was a RETURN to the Scriptures. Before this only the Catholic priests had their Latin Bible and did not want to common man on the street to read the Scriptures (there were no translations available) because knowing and having Scripture they could tell the people whatever they wanted to control the people. They developed their own theology, and this allowed them to control the masses.
But if the people had a translation of the Scripture they would know and could know whether or not their religious leaders were actually teaching the truth. But along with this came an explosion in time of many kinds of beliefs and this led to Mormonism, Armstrongism, Pentecostalism, Methodism, and all the other "ism's" out there of false churches and bad theology. Yes, even Pentecostalism is a false church. I was born again by Christ, but my birth church was Pentecostal (Assemblies of God) and as I learned to study Church History and Denominations, I was able to hold each church and movement up against the Word of God and found many were lacking in good theology.
And there are a great many more Scriptures than what you posted that address Predestination and Election and the real definition of the word "world" in the Bible.
And that's where I see your error. But no one can change your mind. No one except the Holy Spirit.
IF you let Him.

Thank you for taking your time to write all of this, but yet the question to you remains within John 3:16.

Was that God so loved the world IE: Earth that He gave His only begotten Son to save the Earth, or did God so love the people in this world/on this earth that He gave His only begotten Son as God would hope that none should perish, but all would come to repentance.

It's either Earth or the people on the earth!


John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

2Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Peter 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Thank you for taking your time to write all of this, but yet the question to you remains within John 3:16.

Was that God so loved the world IE: Earth that He gave His only begotten Son to save the Earth, or did God so love the people in this world/on this earth that He gave His only begotten Son as God would hope that none should perish, but all would come to repentance.

It's either Earth or the people on the earth!

See, you post Scripture by Peter about that "none should perish," which isn't a message about the world of unbelievers but Peter speaking TO a people already saved. You don't look at the context.
Understand that the Scriptures, the Word of God is written TO and FOR believers ONLY. The Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets were written to Israel in Covenant with God.
The Gospels about Israel's Messiah was written to Israel - all four Gospels.
The epistles were written TO THE CHURCH at Corinth, and Ephesus, and Philippi, and Thessalonica just to name a few. The epistles were not written to the world of unbelievers. This is what you must first understand. Even Peter's epistle were written to "THE ELECT" of God. Unbelievers are NOT the elect of God:

1 PETER, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. 1 Pe 1:1-2.

1 SIMON Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ, 2 Pe 1:1.

Now the context of this verse which you post above are TO believers that God is not slack concerning His promises:

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any [of usward] should perish, but that all [of usward] should come to repentance. 2 Pe 3:9.

And ALL of USward will come to repentance because they are elect and loved of God and His Christ. The context of Peter's epistle and the whole of the New Testament is written TO God's saved and elect people.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Again, the context are believers. John is not writing to unbelievers and so the context of the word "world" (and there is no other word that can be used) is in context to BELIEVERS. The "whosoever" are those in context to whom John writes and that is Israel.

2Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Peter 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Peter is speaking/writing to believers, the elect of God (see verse 1:1 in both epistles.)
Same with Paul's epistles. Same with James and Jude and 1 and 2 and 3rd John. God writes to believers. The Bible is God's love letters to BELIEVERS, NOT to unbelievers.

 

[for_his_glory]

You go ahead and believe Pink and the dogma of some of the Calvinistic doctrines and I will just walk away from the doctrines of devils. You have a blessed day.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You go ahead and believe Pink and the dogma of some of the Calvinistic doctrines and I will just walk away from the doctrines of devils. You have a blessed day.

You know, I really didn't think you were going to learn something about WHO the Scripture was written TO.
When you do then maybe your theology will align with God's Word.

 

[for_his_glory]

You know, I really didn't think you were going to learn something about WHO the Scripture was written TO.
When you do then maybe your theology will align with God's Word.

Back at cha

 

[jeremiah1five]

Back at cha

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