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A Weekend in Hell

Andyintheuk

Andyintheuk

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I’ve been thinking about the cost to God and Jesus of our salvation. We tend to focus on the physical pain of nails crown of thorns but I suspect that was paled into insignificance compared to what was to follow immediately afterwards.
“For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.” ‭‭I Peter‬ ‭3:18-20‬ ‭NKJV

The Bible's not very descriptive when talking about either Heaven or Hell, so it leaves it mostly to our imagination. I’m guessing there’s no sunshine there which is why it’s described as a place of outer darkness. There’s no influence of God or the Holy Spirit so evil reigns, sin doesn’t stop with Earth, the place is full of depravity and violence.

Poor Jesus did all that in place of us so that we don’t have to and instead spend eternity in Heaven with God. Thank you Lord, thank you, thank you
 
Andyintheuk said:
but I suspect that was paled into insignificance compared to what was to follow immediately afterwards.
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Do you think He suffered when He went down there?

My understanding is that it didn't get translated very well and it actually says that He declared victory to them and wasn't actually preaching as we know it. That makes all sorts of sense to me.
 
Edward said:
Do you think He suffered when He went down there?

My understanding is that it didn't get translated very well and it actually says that He declared victory to them and wasn't actually preaching as we know it. That makes all sorts of sense to me.
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:agreed and that is exactly what happened declared victory
 
Edward said:
Do you think He suffered when He went down there?

My understanding is that it didn't get translated very well and it actually says that He declared victory to them and wasn't actually preaching as we know it. That makes all sorts of sense to me.
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Good News Translation
and in his spiritual existence he went and preached to the imprisoned spirits. These were the spirits of those who had not obeyed God when he waited patiently during the days that Noah was building his boat. The few people in the boat—eight in all—were saved by the water,

NIV
After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,
1 Peter 3:19‭-‬20 NIV
https://bibl
 
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Scripture is deliberately vague on some things, and this is one of them. Enoch was present for the harrowing of hell; he knows what it looked like from his perspective, and probably has a sense of when it took place relative to the other main events.

I look forward to the opportunity to hear him speak about it.
 
Andyintheuk said:
Good News Translation
and in his spiritual existence he went and preached to the imprisoned spirits. These were the spirits of those who had not obeyed God when he waited patiently during the days that Noah was building his boat. The few people in the boat—eight in all—were saved by the water,

NIV
After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,
1 Peter 3:19‭-‬20 NIV
https://bibl
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Thank you for making my point. Doing a word study on those passages into the original language will read a wee bit differently. To make proclamation to the imprisoned spirits...could be read as making declaration (of victory) to them. He wasn't preaching the gospel...He had already said, It is finished. Price paid.
 
Edward said:
Thank you for making my point. Doing a word study on those passages into the original language will read a wee bit differently. To make proclamation to the imprisoned spirits...could be read as making declaration (of victory) to them. He wasn't preaching the gospel...He had already said, It is finished. Price paid.
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I see no difference between that and good preaching. Could you explain what distinction you see?
 
Edward said:
Do you think He suffered when He went down there?

My understanding is that it didn't get translated very well and it actually says that He declared victory to them and wasn't actually preaching as we know it. That makes all sorts of sense to me.
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What Jesus did "in Hades" was to destroy the power death.
 
Andyintheuk said:
I’ve been thinking about the cost to God and Jesus of our salvation. We tend to focus on the physical pain of nails crown of thorns but I suspect that was paled into insignificance compared to what was to follow immediately afterwards.
“For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.” ‭‭I Peter‬ ‭3:18-20‬ ‭NKJV

The Bible's not very descriptive when talking about either Heaven or Hell, so it leaves it mostly to our imagination. I’m guessing there’s no sunshine there which is why it’s described as a place of outer darkness. There’s no influence of God or the Holy Spirit so evil reigns, sin doesn’t stop with Earth, the place is full of depravity and violence.

Poor Jesus did all that in place of us so that we don’t have to and instead spend eternity in Heaven with God. Thank you Lord, thank you, thank you
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Oh my Lord. Oh Jesus, you didn’t escape from Hell, you burst out of it! Briefly you came back here on Earth to prove to your disciples and us, that death and Hell was no longer inevitable and that our death sentence had been paid for by you. Thank God for such an amazing plan. Thank you Jesus for carrying God’s plan out so meticulously, but oh at what cost! That would have been too big an ask if you didn’t love us so deeply and completely. Thank you Jesus, I love you for all that you have done.
 
Oh boy. The things the human mind can conjure up when the context of the Whole Bible is not to the read, LORD. A few Topical Studies from the Nave's Topical Bible(Cheep and available free on the web) or having read through the Bible a few times under the tutelage of the Holy Spirit and one will discover the Creeds are not scripture and some of their points were the imaginings of the Human Mind. Jesus did not descend into Hell, not Hell as we know it. In Luke 16:19-31 we see that Jesus, who never named people in his parables, teaches us there are two locations and neither is His home.

They are Hell and Paradise. The Lost are waiting for the final Resurrection and the Saved from the Old Testament are in Paradise, waiting for the Messiah, Jesus, to take them to heaven and to close Paradise. In Matthew 27, verse fifty-one or fifty through about fifty-three or four, we find the Old Testament Saints running through the Holy City. Where was Abraham and the others going? The generally accepted thought is Jesus had preached the Gospel to them and was escorting them to Heaven and they were seen for a testimony of what we are to expect for ourselves, we will not expire, none of us.
 
Hell, is the place of the dead before judgement comes.
The lake of fire is the final place of punishment and destruction.
Declaring the reality of Jesus's victory is not suffering or bearing an impossible punishment.
Some believe Jesus went to a "hell" where demons torture others, and Jesus was tortured.
But this is all invented theology, and nothing to do with the victory of Christ on the cross,
taking the worst we could throw at Him and forgiving us. He took our sin and washed us
clean through faith. Amen.
"It is finished" was the end of His demonstration of love, sacrifice and patience with mankind.
If one believes Jesus had not finished His ministry and forgiveness on the cross, then why did
He declare "It is finished"?
 
Not for the reason you're thinking, otherwise He wouldn't have said "touch me not, for I have not yet ascended"

It's very important to understand the "it is finished," but His current ministry is not to be discounted
 
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PeterJens said:
Hell, is the place of the dead before judgement comes.
The lake of fire is the final place of punishment and destruction.
Declaring the reality of Jesus's victory is not suffering or bearing an impossible punishment.
Some believe Jesus went to a "hell" where demons torture others, and Jesus was tortured.
But this is all invented theology, and nothing to do with the victory of Christ on the cross,
taking the worst we could throw at Him and forgiving us. He took our sin and washed us
clean through faith. Amen.
"It is finished" was the end of His demonstration of love, sacrifice and patience with mankind.
If one believes Jesus had not finished His ministry and forgiveness on the cross, then why did
He declare "It is finished"?
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Finally! Somebody that has studied the scriptures of the Bible to understand on the Web. I believe you're indwelt with the Ruach, the Holy Spirit in English. Pray God blesses you and yours.
 
There's a misunderstanding due to the translation due in the Apostles Creed.
Jesus did not go to Hell after dying on the altar for the worlds sins, the cross. Rather, he went to the abode of the dead, the place of departed souls, called Sheol. Which means the same thing using the Greek term, Hades.
 
UberMink said:
There's a misunderstanding due to the translation due in the Apostles Creed.
Jesus did not go to Hell after dying on the altar for the worlds sins, the cross. Rather, he went to the abode of the dead, the place of departed souls, called Sheol. Which means the same thing using the Greek term, Hades.
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Could you, or somebody, provide more details regarding the differences between hell, hades, sheol, and gehenna. Did I miss any? Thanks,
 
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