According to the Bible, Michael the Archangel will be on Earth as a human during the Great Tribulation.

[for_his_glory]

And, Isaiah 11 says

"11 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:​

2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;​

3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:​

4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked."​

And it continues to describe the Tribulation, therefore at that time there will be a man who is not the Christ himself who stands up for the Lord's people.

Revelations 9 tells that a star will fall from heaven and open the bottomless pit. Revelations 12 tells that the Dragon will fall after his defeat by Michael the Archangel. It's there for you to see. An angel who falls from heaven will open the bottomless pit during the Tribulation.

The woman is clearly not the body of Christ. Revelations 12 clearly says that the woman will give birth to a Man Child so when she goes into the wilderness for 3 and a half years to escape the Dragon who fell to Earth after her Man child was called up to heaven and defeated him, then the Dragon will seek revenge on the woman and the remainder of her seed, for 3 and a half years, that is the second half of the Great Tribulation. So yet again, this birth is real and it occurs during the Tribulation as does the war in Heaven.

God speaks to us in scripture of a 3 1/2 year tribulation during the time of the seventh trumpet sounding, not a seven year tribulation, as being time, times and half time which equals 1260 days = 3 ½ years or 3 ½ Times – Hebrew calendar only had 30 days for each month and this is where you get 1260 days or 3 ½ years.
[Scripture reference]
Revelation 12:14; Daniel 7:25; Daniel 12:7
1260 days – Revelation 11:3; Revelation 12:6
42 months – Revelation 11:2; Revelation 13:5

No where in scripture does it mention a seven year tribulation, but only seven trumpets of God's fierce wrath as scripture says we will always have tribulations as the last time will be such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be, Matthew 24:21; Deut 4:30; 7:19; 29:1-6; 1 Samuel 26:24; Matthew; John 16:33; Romans 12:12; 24:21; James 1:2; 1 Peter 1:6.

But, where does it say in the Bible that Michael returns as a human during any time of the sounding of the seven trumpets and please use scripture.

 

[for_his_glory]

It could be anyone, even you. But why not me? And so I portray him on this site.

Why not portray God, Jesus or the Holy Spirit. You have got to stop this nonsense if you ever want others to take you seriously.

 

[for_his_glory]

Are there any saints here?
How long will the people deny what the word says?

We are not denying the word of God, but only your mixed up theories of bits and pieces of scripture as you try to make scripture line up with your theories. Many are on to you as no one holds all truths and truth only comes by the Holy Spirit. What we portray is to be like Christ and follow in His footsteps that keeps us in the will of God.

 

[Michael The Archangel]

Alfred Persson
2 Th. 2:3-4 does not say that the Son of Perdition becomes the "Chancellor" of anything, much less a revived Roman Empire that is not mentioned. A lion's mouth could indicate, the Macedonian Empire which is the oldest continuous nation represented by a lion and is Magog described in Ezekiel. The mid-week end to sacrifices and offerings in (Dan. 9:27) is in the middle of a week long covenant that describes the Seleucids ending sacrifices on the Temple Mount and certainly does not indicate a week of 7 years at the end of times, then also how does that indicate the Man of Sin transforming into the beast at the beginning of 7 years when in your own description it is in the middle of the supposed 7 years? Then you say "The Man of Sin morphs into the Beast Son of Destruction Seed of Satan" based on (Gen. 3:15). That verse tells of the serpent in the Garden of Eden and does not describe the Son of Perdition, rather the Dragon who empowers him. In fact he seeks to destroy all those who expose his evil and he hides behind Christianity. The empire that is the Beast is an evil one on the Earth who continually oppresses the nations. You won't become a saint by going to church and saying you are a Christian and the Son of Perdition hates you. The Man of Sin who is the Antichrist assumes dictatorship of the world to rule for 3 and a half years and seeks to conquer the world with his empire as he is of the Seven Nations of the Beast. You may refuse to spread the word of this evil and resolve to be a good Christian, but many will say to the Lord "I did all these works in your name" only to be told by the Lord "I know you not". You are a sleeping virgin. Do you even know the evils of this empire? It sacrifices people, drinks their blood, oppresses the nations. It must be stopped.

"Notice the change, Empire is now ruled by "the little horn" of Daniel (Dan. 7:7-8; 8:9-12)"? Yes, but that is Alexander the Great. Daniel chapters before 12 speak of Gog and Magog's rise to power and how they amass into 7 nations. Read this, Daniel 8:9 "And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land."
Alexander the Great is the exceedingly great little horn and his empire the Goat did conquer many, trampling the Ram, and expanded toward the South (Anatolia, Syria, Babylon, Israel), toward the east of that (Egypt), and toward the pleasant land of India. They formed 7 nations out of that land, and the Dragon that is the Spirit of their evil ancestors and Satan casted a third of the stars to the ground and became principalities of the air.

Therefore it is the same entity in Revelations 13 that you quote, however it is a different event and time as the little horn in Revelations is attached to the Beast later at a different time.

Now, the dead in Christ rise first in the middle of the Tribulation according to all Revelations.

"And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.​

(Half of the Tribulation these witnesses will prophecy)

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.​

(Olive branches mean Jews and Candlesticks or lamp stands mean Gentiles, meantioned elsewhere in the Bible so these are the saints including the 144,000 Jews and a great multitude of Every naton)

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.​

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6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.​

(These are the plagues released by the 4 horsemen at the orders and behest of the saints after they are sealed to begin the Great Tribulation.)

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7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.​

(The Angel of the Abyss inhabits the image of the Antichrist and kills the saints, also it is said that the Beast kills the saints elsewhere in the Bible, and this happens in the middle of the Tribulation since that is the time given for the bottomless pit being opened elsewhere in Revelations)

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8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.​

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9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.​

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10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.​

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11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.​

(Again, after 3 and a half years of Tribulation including the times they prophecied and are dead, they are raptured by the Lord in the middle of the Tribulation.)

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.​

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13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.​

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14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly."​

(There is still another Woe to go in the Tribulation, that entails the 3 and a half year long Reign of the Antichrist and the second coming of Jesus followed by the Millennial Reign at the end of the Great Tribulation.)

 

[Michael The Archangel]

We are not denying the word of God, but only your mixed up theories of bits and pieces of scripture as you try to make scripture line up with your theories. Many are on to you as no one holds all truths and truth only comes by the Holy Spirit. What we portray is to be like Christ and follow in His footsteps that keeps us in the will of God.

I have consistently told the meaning of the books describing the Great Tribulation based on the Word of God and I have consistently found holes in your interpretation and proven them contradictory and you have failed to disprove my message. So you deny the word of God and refuse to listen to what is written in the Word of God. Instead of sharing insults, actually show where there are any discrepancies in my message as you have yet to do.

 

[Michael The Archangel]

Why not portray God, Jesus or the Holy Spirit. You have got to stop this nonsense if you ever want others to take you seriously.

Because Jesus and God came to Earth to preach and will not come again in that way.

 

[Michael The Archangel]

God speaks to us in scripture of a 3 1/2 year tribulation during the time of the seventh trumpet sounding, not a seven year tribulation, as being time, times and half time which equals 1260 days = 3 ½ years or 3 ½ Times – Hebrew calendar only had 30 days for each month and this is where you get 1260 days or 3 ½ years.
[Scripture reference]
Revelation 12:14; Daniel 7:25; Daniel 12:7
1260 days – Revelation 11:3; Revelation 12:6
42 months – Revelation 11:2; Revelation 13:5

No where in scripture does it mention a seven year tribulation, but only seven trumpets of God's fierce wrath as scripture says we will always have tribulations as the last time will be such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be, Matthew 24:21; Deut 4:30; 7:19; 29:1-6; 1 Samuel 26:24; Matthew; John 16:33; Romans 12:12; 24:21; James 1:2; 1 Peter 1:6.

But, where does it say in the Bible that Michael returns as a human during any time of the sounding of the seven trumpets and please use scripture.

The saints preach for 3 and a half years or a similar time and the Antichrist who kills them rules for 3 and a half years after that. It may not be exactly 7 years as these times are based on naturally occurring factors, but consider it a reference point, such as a times, times, and a half. There will be a time of the saints, and a time of the Antichrist. No man knows how long that will be, hence why it is so vague in the Bible which even uses days instead of years to attempt describing it.

 

[for_his_glory]

I have consistently told the meaning of the books describing the Great Tribulation based on the Word of God and I have consistently found holes in your interpretation and proven them contradictory and you have failed to disprove my message. So you deny the word of God and refuse to listen to what is written in the Word of God. Instead of sharing insults, actually show where there are any discrepancies in my message as you have yet to do.

No, you consistently give your views and understandings just as all of us do. The only holes you have found are those that you do not agree with as you say only you and no one else knows all truths as we are all being deceived.

I'm not insulting you by any means and I am sorry you are taking it that way, but it is by the words you speak that at times makes you look very foolish to others that I try to point out to you like you saying only you know the truth and in your other post calling God Santa Claus. How are we to take you seriously.

I ask you to show me scripture where Michael the Arch Angel literally comes to earth during the seven trumpets of tribulation, but yet you have yet to show me none.

I've been studying end times way before you were even born and even I, nor nobody knows it all. I and others have showed you many discrepancies that I would have hoped you would have taken into consideration, but since you say you know everything at the young age of 26 this leaves no room to discuss with you as you deny everything others are trying to show you. You can't take bits and pieces of scripture and mix them in a bowl to prove your points as it takes the full context of scripture to make it all come together for our learning and that is what I want you to see.

 

[for_his_glory]

The saints preach for 3 and a half years or a similar time and the Antichrist who kills them rules for 3 and a half years after that. It may not be exactly 7 years as these times are based on naturally occurring factors, but consider it a reference point, such as a times, times, and a half. There will be a time of the saints, and a time of the Antichrist. No man knows how long that will be, hence why it is so vague in the Bible which even uses days instead of years to attempt describing it.

I thought your OP was about Michael being here on earth during the tribulation. Before I can continue, as I do not want to derail this thread and go off topic you need to give the scriptures that teach this as it has nothing to do with drifting off to the two witnesses and what ever else you bring up that is off topic to your OP.

 

[Alfred Persson]

A lion's mouth could indicate, the Macedonian Empire which is the oldest continuous nation represented by a lion and is Magog described in Ezekiel.

No it couldn't. Heads represent Empires, not mouths. The blasphemous mouth is the pompous little horn Antichrist Beast. So the mouth like a lion is the mouth of the False Christ reigning the first 42 months.

And I looked, and behold, a white horse. He who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer. (Rev. 6:2 NKJ)

That fits Daniel 9:27 perfectly. The prince who is to come (false Christ) is friendly towards religion until midweek, then he stops all sacrifice and offering. He is the Desolator, the abomination of desolation, Son of Destruction (2 Thess. 2:3-4)

Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate." (Dan. 9:27-10:1 NKJ)

That's why Paul gave him two titles, because he has two phases. First as False Christ, then Antichrist:

3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. (2 Thess. 2:3-4 NKJ)

The beast with 7 heads and 10 horns in Revelation is the fourth beast in Daniel:

19 "Then I wished to know the truth about the fourth beast, which was different from all the others, exceedingly dreadful, with its teeth of iron and its nails of bronze, which devoured, broke in pieces, and trampled the residue with its feet;
20 "and the ten horns that were on its head, and the other horn which came up, before which three fell, namely, that horn which had eyes and a mouth which spoke pompous words, whose appearance was greater than his fellows.
21 "I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them,
22 "until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom.
23 "Thus he said:`The fourth beast shall be A fourth kingdom on earth, Which shall be different from all other kingdoms, And shall devour the whole earth, Trample it and break it in pieces.
24 The ten horns are ten kings Who shall arise from this kingdom. And another shall rise after them; He shall be different from the first ones, And shall subdue three kings.
25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand For a time and times and half a time.
(Dan. 7:19-25 NKJ)


You would know these easy to understand prophecies, if you were Michael the Archangel. He is a student of the Scripture of Truth:

"But I will tell you what is noted in the Scripture of Truth. (No one upholds me against these, except Michael your prince.) (Dan. 10:21 NKJ)

 

[Michael The Archangel]

No, you consistently give your views and understandings just as all of us do. The only holes you have found are those that you do not agree with as you say only you and no one else knows all truths as we are all being deceived.

I'm not insulting you by any means and I am sorry you are taking it that way, but it is by the words you speak that at times makes you look very foolish to others that I try to point out to you like you saying only you know the truth and in your other post calling God Santa Claus. How are we to take you seriously.

I ask you to show me scripture where Michael the Arch Angel literally comes to earth during the seven trumpets of tribulation, but yet you have yet to show me none.

I've been studying end times way before you were even born and even I, nor nobody knows it all. I and others have showed you many discrepancies that I would have hoped you would have taken into consideration, but since you say you know everything at the young age of 26 this leaves no room to discuss with you as you deny everything others are trying to show you. You can't take bits and pieces of scripture and mix them in a bowl to prove your points as it takes the full context of scripture to make it all come together for our learning and that is what I want you to see.

I see your situation, however I must clarify that I have not taken bits and pieces of scripture and mixed them into a bowl.
I've read the verses depicting end times and I've taken them literally and so I have a literal interpretation that fits it all together that is exactly what the words say.
I've heard the interpretations from many experts who have studied it for a long time and they do not line up with all of the words. I see the history of civilization and the current civilization and the words in the scriptures line up to my astonishment since I'm a non believer.

Yeah I'm an Agnostic, but I'm here doing what was assigned to me at early childhood, churches and by random people, what I thought was God, to preach and share a message that I hope gets spread all over the world for the purpose of defeating the Powers that Be. I don't know why else I'm doing it since I'm not a Christian, but it's like in the back of my head I feel like I should spread the message all over the world and it's like a unfulfilled purpose in the back of my head, just not as a preacher like they said I should be.

I already have a strong understanding of the Bible since a strict Christian community I was raised in forced us to memorize the Bible. Now I'm obsessively obsessed with history, culture, religion, the Bible, conspiracies, society and civilization, ...etc and it's like I have all this information in my head that I have to get out and so here I am doing it.

 

[for_his_glory]

I see your situation, however I must clarify that I have not taken bits and pieces of scripture and mixed them into a bowl.
I've read the verses depicting end times and I've taken them literally and so I have a literal interpretation that fits it all together that is exactly what the words say.
I've heard the interpretations from many experts who have studied it for a long time and they do not line up with all of the words. I see the history of civilization and the current civilization and the words in the scriptures line up to my astonishment since I'm a non believer.

Yeah I'm an Agnostic, but I'm here doing what was assigned to me at early childhood, churches and by random people, what I thought was God, to preach and share a message that I hope gets spread all over the world for the purpose of defeating the Powers that Be. I don't know why else I'm doing it since I'm not a Christian, but it's like in the back of my head I feel like I should spread the message all over the world and it's like a unfulfilled purpose in the back of my head, just not as a preacher like they said I should be.

I already have a strong understanding of the Bible since a strict Christian community I was raised in forced us to memorize the Bible. Now I'm obsessively obsessed with history, culture, religion, the Bible, conspiracies, society and civilization, ...etc and it's like I have all this information in my head that I have to get out and so here I am doing it.

That explains a lot now of where you are coming from. I don't know much about Agnostics so what is this message you are sent to preach since you are not a Christian nor sent by God as Agnostics have no faith in God. Just because you might be able to memorize the Bible word by word, you have no Spiritual knowledge of the truths it contains as you are not indwelled with the Holy Spirit and are not one of Christ own according to scripture in what Jesus has already taught.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Yeah I'm an Agnostic, but I'm here doing what was assigned to me at early childhood, churches and by random people, what I thought was God, to preach and share a message that I hope gets spread all over the world for the purpose of defeating the Powers that Be. I don't know why else I'm doing it since I'm not a Christian, but it's like in the back of my head I feel like I should spread the message all over the world and it's like a unfulfilled purpose in the back of my head, just not as a preacher like they said I should be.

I already have a strong understanding of the Bible since a strict Christian community I was raised in forced us to memorize the Bible. Now I'm obsessively obsessed with history, culture, religion, the Bible, conspiracies, society and civilization, ...etc and it's like I have all this information in my head that I have to get out and so here I am doing it.

I suspected you were mocking us, But in reality, it reveals you have been damaged. It would cathartic you go to the appropriate thread on this site, and tell us all about your experience with Christianity. The hurt disappointment, the pain.

Then you might gain that human fellowship you clearly desire, but can't permit because it means lowering defenses, perhaps getting hurt again.

But you would find it cathartic, venting your anger. Just keep it civil so your message isn't deleted. Who knows, one of us might share something with you, that you find healing.

 

[Michael The Archangel]

That explains a lot now of where you are coming from. I don't know much about Agnostics so what is this message you are sent to preach since you are not a Christian nor sent by God as Agnostics have no faith in God. Just because you might be able to memorize the Bible word by word, you have no Spiritual knowledge of the truths it contains as you are not indwelled with the Holy Spirit and are not one of Christ own according to scripture in what Jesus has already taught.

Agnostics do not deny nor assume an existence of any gods. They are not tied to any beliefs. I personally believe that spirits might exist, but I don't believe that they exist definitively. But I see parallels in the Bible with the history of the world so I'm wanting to make sure it's people who are part of the Christian community understand it so they can stop fighting each other and fight the powers that be. I know about the powers that be and I've studied their acts of evil that traffic and murder children and consume blood, and oppress people of lesser civilizations in nations throughout the world with their banks to work for there corporations as those people slowly die of their manmade diseases and poverty. I have been their victim and I understand that even this Christian Forum is infiltrated by them, but the message must be spread.

 

[Michael The Archangel]

I suspected you were mocking us, But in reality, it reveals you have been damaged. It would cathartic you go to the appropriate thread on this site, and tell us all about your experience with Christianity. The hurt disappointment, the pain.

Then you might gain that human fellowship you clearly desire, but can't permit because it means lowering defenses, perhaps getting hurt again.

But you would find it cathartic, venting your anger. Just keep it civil so your message isn't deleted. Who knows, one of us might share something with you, that you find healing.

We have all been hurt my friend. It's a kind suggestion, however I am completely confident despite my past troubles and I am here to spread my message.

 

[Alfred Persson]

We have all been hurt my friend. It's a kind suggestion, however I am completely confident despite my past troubles and I am here to spread my message.

Its a contradiction of no small order when an agnostic claims to be Michael the Archangel, but far be it from me to censor your outreach. You'll pardon my lack of participation, I'm sure. Peace.

 

[for_his_glory]

Agnostics do not deny nor assume an existence of any gods

I guess you had to look it up too, but you left out the part where it says they have no faith in God. You sound like another member that was recently banned and no one is going to believe anything you say.

 

[Michael The Archangel]

I guess you had to look it up too, but you left out the part where it says they have no faith in God. You sound like another member that was recently banned and no one is going to believe anything you say.

All you have to do is read the Bible word for word. If you're a Christian who can't do that, then you are no better than the Agnostics.

 

[Michael The Archangel]

Its a contradiction of no small order when an agnostic claims to be Michael the Archangel, but far be it from me to censor your outreach. You'll pardon my lack of participation, I'm sure. Peace.

I can't pardon you when the Lord returns to reap the saints who spread the word, but you may do as you wish.

 

[Alfred Persson]

I can't pardon you when the Lord returns to reap the saints who spread the word, but you may do as you wish.

Begging your pardon is a figure of speech. Christ has already pardoned me for all my sins.

Briefly I thought about opposing you. I still believe there is an element of mockery against Christ or Christians in what you are doing.

But "I have bigger fish to fry" as they say.

AND as your interpretation of prophecy is so clearly wrong, I don't see how you can convince anyone what you say is correct.