Acquired Instinct

[Kathi]

No I really do not think that animals have the Holy Spirit.

 

[Edward]

Even nonbelievers?
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Well...Yes. before you were a believer, you either went to church or someone witnessed to you, and you felt convicted and subsequently gave your life to the Lord, am I right. That's that Holy Spirit brother. Is the Holy Spirit only for believers? Well let me ask you this, did Jesus die for believers only? Does He only love believers?

God wants a bigger harvest and loves all and tries to draw everyone to Him. That's the job of the Holy Spirit. Have there ever been atheists converted to the Lord? Satanists? Witches? You bet there have been. You think they do this on their own? (haha!)

No Edward only the Born Again believers have in them the Holy Spirit Romans 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
The conscience is a whole different ball game.

Ah, good question. Does the Holy Spirit dwell in non- believers? No I don't think so. Does He come to them at moments, to teach them, convict them, make them think? He sure does. It's an acquired conscience brought on by the Holy Spirit. Do infants know the difference between right and wrong? No. They will wander into the pool and drown, wander into traffic, get into all sorts of mischief. Oh so it is the parents that teach the infants right and wrong you may say? Really? What about the households where the parents are atheists or satanists, and the children get saved somehow? Is that the work of the parents also? I don't think so. Can unbelievers heal people? Can baby Christians? No. Why not? The Holy Spirit doesn't dwell in them. Mature Christians, who have a good foundation in belief allow the power and Love of God flow through them to affect healing and so forth. So everyone has the Holy Spirit, but Christians have more. It makes too much sense. God has had this plan since before He created man. He already knew that man left alone would reject God. So He says, I'll go poke them at times with my Spirit. Show them some light to guide them.

Can anyone, quench the Spirit so much that He leaves forever. Perhaps so. I think it takes a lot though because God is pure love and longsuffering.

Motherly instincts are not conscience. Animals do not have a conscience. They have no spirit, only soul and body. Animals were not created in Gods image, man was. Scripture says that multitudes will be saved out of the great tribulation. This wont be the work of believers, it will be the work of God (Holy Spirit) done through believers. All believers do, is to sow seeds and water seeds that have been planted. God gives the increase through His Holy Spirit.

 

[Gary]

Well...Yes. before you were a believer, you either went to church or someone witnessed to you, and you felt convicted and subsequently gave your life to the Lord, am I right.

Actually no, you are not.

That's that Holy Spirit brother. Is the Holy Spirit only for believers? Well let me ask you this, did Jesus die for believers only? Does He only love believers?

God wants a bigger harvest and loves all and tries to draw everyone to Him. That's the job of the Holy Spirit. Have there ever been atheists converted to the Lord? Satanists? Witches? You bet there have been. You think they do this on their own? (haha!)

Acts 2
38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.


Acts 8
14 Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them,
15 who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit.
16 For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.



Everyone does not have the Holy Spirit.
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[Gary]

I am confused by this statement. Are you saying that everyone has the Holy Spirit?

Yes I am. And yes, if one ignores their conscience long enough (rejects the Holy Spirit), then He will leave them. Praise God that he is longsuffering! God is amazing!

Even nonbelievers?

Well...Yes. before you were a believer, you either went to church or someone witnessed to you, and you felt convicted and subsequently gave your life to the Lord, am I right. That's that Holy Spirit brother. Is the Holy Spirit only for believers? Well let me ask you this, did Jesus die for believers only? Does He only love believers?

Ah, good question. Does the Holy Spirit dwell in non- believers? No I don't think so.

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[Edward]

Actually no, you are not.



Acts 2
38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.


Acts 8
14 Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them,
15 who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit.
16 For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.



Everyone does not have the Holy Spirit.
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How'd you learn about the Lord then?

On the Acts scriptures...maybe. I'll ponder this some more. It's a very interesting topic. On the other hand...in Acts scriptures, wasn't this before the comforter came? Maybe that would make a difference, and we all do now, but certainly not in OT times.

I don't know for sure brother. i will ponder it more. What I have been saying is where I am at right now and lean towards that belief/understanding, but I've been wrong before about things so perhaps I'll grow to learn with a certainty which way is really is. Good thing it's not a salvific issue! ;)

 

[Edward]

Ah, good question. Does the Holy Spirit dwell in non- believers? No I don't think so.

Right, but let me clarify, I mean to dwell in, as in a constant companion, but he comes at times to non-believers to draw them to God. So He's there sometimes for them, but not constantly like in believers. Sorry if I was unclear.

 

[Classik]

I think two things are distinguishable: the presence of the Holy Spirit in the life of a BELIEVER and the feeling of remorse in the heart of a sinner.