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[Hitch]

When he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

10And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

11Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

This must have been startling to witness.

Does this event appear anywhere in the Prophets?

I cant think of an NT passage that points back but I've never really looked.

 

[jasoncran]

the verse in zechariah where the messiah will come and touch the mount and it will split in half.

 

[Sinthesis]

It's difficult to gloat over a body you will never find, so this might be seen as a continuation of resurrection imagery into glorification imagery. YMMV

Psalms 30:1 ¶ [[A Psalm [and] Song [at] the dedication of the house of David.]] I will extol thee, O LORD; for thou hast lifted me up, and hast not made my foes to rejoice over me.​

 

[Webb]

Note vs. 9. A CLOUD received Him up. Vs. 11, He will come again in "like manner." Rev.1:7;"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him--" I Thess.4:13-18-- this is the 2nd coming of Jesus, note vs.17: "Then we which are alive and remain shall be cautht up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." The Christ does not literally come to the earth, the saved are caught up to meet Him in the clouds.

 

[Hitch]

Note vs. 9. A CLOUD received Him up. Vs. 11, He will come again in "like manner." Rev.1:7;"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him--" I Thess.4:13-18-- this is the 2nd coming of Jesus, note vs.17: "Then we which are alive and remain shall be cautht up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." The Christ does not literally come to the earth, the saved are caught up to meet Him in the clouds.

Sounds nice but it has nothing to do with the question.

 

[Hitch]

the verse in zechariah where the messiah will come and touch the mount and it will split in half.

You're going the wrong direction.

 

[Hitch]

It's difficult to gloat over a body you will never find, so this might be seen as a continuation of resurrection imagery into glorification imagery. YMMV

Psalms 30:1 ¶ [[A Psalm [and] Song [at] the dedication of the house of David.]] I will extol thee, O LORD; for thou hast lifted me up, and hast not made my foes to rejoice over me.​

Thou hast s t r e c h e d me too far

 

[smaller]

Let's get a direct hit on this matter from the O.T.

Numbers 9:15
And on the day that the tabernacle was reared up the cloud covered the tabernacle namely, the tent of the testimony-

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[John 8:32]

The Christ does not literally come to the earth, the saved are caught up to meet Him in the clouds.

Zec 14:4 And his feetshall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem onthe east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward theeast and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half ofthe mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

 

[Adullam]

Was not Elijah lifted up? Was not Enoch lifted up? Why would the Son of God not be lifted up in like manner?

 

[Fyre]

Hi there all, new member here, this is an interesting topic the peace of Christ be with you.

I too was wondering if there was anything connected to his "going forth" from Galilee (which means circuit) because the psalms speaks of "his going forth" and also of "his circuit" ... "men of Galilee" (or as men of the circuit) who would take the gospel to the nations.

There are some scriptures I was looking at in respects to it in various ways


The end and the ends (plural) of the heavens are spoken of as well. For instance, whats interesting is in one placeits speaks of his "going forth" FROM "the end of" heaven and his circuit UNTO the ends (plural) of it. And he told his disciples to meet him in Galilee (circuit). Now if you look when he goes forth (or ascends into heaven) two men stood by them and say, "men of Galilee" (or men circuit) Acts speaks likewise of him giving them the commandment to Go and to teach all nations. The order is pretty kool if I am catching it right, not yet sure.

But this is what I was looking at... His going forth and his circuit and Galilee (which means circuit)

Psalms 19:6 His going forth is from the end* of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends* of it: and there is nothing hid from the heatthereof.

Mat 26:32 But after I am risen again,I will go before you into Galilee(circuit)

Mat 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee (circuit), into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son,and of the Holy Ghost:

Acts 1:11 Ye men of Galilee (circuit) why stand ye gazing up intoheaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Again...

Psalms 19:6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and *his* circuit unto the ends of it:and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.


Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations


Theres the mention of the end's (both singularly and plurally) in his appearing (as in the end of the world) and his going forth is from "the end" of the heaven. They (his circuit/ men of Galilee) unto the ends of the same, and are witnesses to "the ends" of the world and unto "the ends" of the heaven. It just how it speaks, and ofcourse looking for a new heaven of earth, even in respects to the world to come. Still looking at this, either way finding a little patern in them which appears to confirm somethings for me.

For example here...

Acts 1:11 Ye men of Galilee why stand ye gazingup into heaven? this same Jesus, whichis taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

The heat thereof (below) is also spoken of in relation to "the coming"

2Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God,where in the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

As well as the heat (likewise) with his "going forth"

Psalms 19:6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and thereis nothing hid from the heat thereof.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Just stuck that last one in there.

Gees this post has all lines running through it in the reply box but looks ok in the preview so I am hoping it goes through here.

There are other aspects of this I was also looking at as well...

Much like the cloud that went "before their face" in the OT and removed and went behind (as well) whereas elsewhere it speaks of "ye shall hear a word behind you" (this is the way) and the turning right and the left are also mentioned there as there were two that stood by them (there) as well. There seems alot there that could be very compareable too.

I have been looking at these things too, and still looking at them myself, so thanks for posting the topic, its always fun digging into these things.

God bless you

 

[Sinthesis]

Thou hast s t r e c h e d me too far

One should always s t r e t c h before exercise. 3

Dan 7:13 ¶ I saw in the night visions, and, behold, [one] like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.​

Then:

Dan 7:22 - Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.​

 

[Fyre]

Heres another I was looking at in relation to a cloud "in their sight" which goes before "their face" and takes a new position (behind them)

There could be something worth comparing in this one... because here they actually beheld the event (it was in their sight) or as before their face

Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

Then here "before their face"...

Exodus 14:19 And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud wentfrom before their face, and stood behind them:

Removes from before their face to "behind them" which is where one would hear a word, for instance here...

Isaiah 30:21 And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.


To the rightand to the left as well...

Acts 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

Now here

John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

John 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

He is the way after the same wording again...

Exodus 14:19 And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud wentfrom before their face, and stood behind them:

Isaiah 30:21 And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.

Whereas He had said to them...

John 14:4And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

Exodus 23:20 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.

Whereas here....

Now John 14:3 Andif I go and prepare a place for you,I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Now here...

Exodus 23:21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.

Im stuck on this but there seems to be something in this, I mean... can you see similiarities in these? As the Holy Ghost as it speaks of not forgiving trangressions, He that comes in my name? Not to mention, I Jesus have sent mine Angel as well.

Its speaks of the Rock that FOLLOWED them and a WORD BEHIND them and in revealtion he TURNED to voice as a trumpet talking, ever notice this?

Feeling around blindly I guess but when something is yet unclear I suppose comparisons can look a bit ridiculous until they become clear. Just notice the cloud, the before their face (in their sight) and voice behind them and all of that, given He is the way (who goes to prepare a place) and an Angel is sent to keep them "in the way" and bring them to the place prepared just as Jesus said, I have sent mine Angel likewise.

Even though we know Jesus was made of the seed of David, taking on not the nature of Angels, that pertained to being made lower for the sole purpose of suffering death as angels dont die. So sometimes comparing around that could be perceived a no no, given an Angel is spoken of, which is a messenger (sent one) but even Jesus is sent too. So Im not sure if I am comparing aright but sure sounds like a mirror of the same type thing, if only seeing it obscurely.

Still loking at this, God bless you's

 

[Lehigh3]

Hi there all, new member here, this is an interesting topic the peace of Christ be with you.

I too was wondering if there was anything connected to his "going forth" from Galilee (which means circuit) because the psalms speaks of "his going forth" and also of "his circuit" ... "men of Galilee" (or as men of the circuit) who would take the gospel to the nations.

There are some scriptures I was looking at in respects to it in various ways


The end and the ends (plural) of the heavens are spoken of as well. For instance, whats interesting is in one placeits speaks of his "going forth" FROM "the end of" heaven and his circuit UNTO the ends (plural) of it. And he told his disciples to meet him in Galilee (circuit). Now if you look when he goes forth (or ascends into heaven) two men stood by them and say, "men of Galilee" (or men circuit) Acts speaks likewise of him giving them the commandment to Go and to teach all nations. The order is pretty kool if I am catching it right, not yet sure.

But this is what I was looking at... His going forth and his circuit and Galilee (which means circuit)

Psalms 19:6 His going forth is from the end* of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends* of it: and there is nothing hid from the heatthereof.

Mat 26:32 But after I am risen again,I will go before you into Galilee(circuit)

Mat 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee (circuit), into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son,and of the Holy Ghost:

Acts 1:11 Ye men of Galilee (circuit) why stand ye gazing up intoheaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Again...

Psalms 19:6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and *his* circuit unto the ends of it:and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.


Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations


Theres the mention of the end's (both singularly and plurally) in his appearing (as in the end of the world) and his going forth is from "the end" of the heaven. They (his circuit/ men of Galilee) unto the ends of the same, and are witnesses to "the ends" of the world and unto "the ends" of the heaven. It just how it speaks, and ofcourse looking for a new heaven of earth, even in respects to the world to come. Still looking at this, either way finding a little patern in them which appears to confirm somethings for me.

For example here...

Acts 1:11 Ye men of Galilee why stand ye gazingup into heaven? this same Jesus, whichis taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

The heat thereof (below) is also spoken of in relation to "the coming"

2Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God,where in the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

As well as the heat (likewise) with his "going forth"

Psalms 19:6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and thereis nothing hid from the heat thereof.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Just stuck that last one in there.

Gees this post has all lines running through it in the reply box but looks ok in the preview so I am hoping it goes through here.

There are other aspects of this I was also looking at as well...

Much like the cloud that went "before their face" in the OT and removed and went behind (as well) whereas elsewhere it speaks of "ye shall hear a word behind you" (this is the way) and the turning right and the left are also mentioned there as there were two that stood by them (there) as well. There seems alot there that could be very compareable too.

I have been looking at these things too, and still looking at them myself, so thanks for posting the topic, its always fun digging into these things.

God bless you

Jesus was to "return" the same way He entered heaven. How did he enter heaven? in a cloud. He would return in the glory cloud.

Jesus told the High priest & Pharisees that they would see Him coming on the clouds of heaven (Mk. 14:2)

He came on the clouds in judgment on Jerusalem. Every "eye" (the Jews after the flesh) perceived Him to be the Son at the right hand of power.
This was the great tribulation on Israel in 67-70AD.
Jesus told the apostles in Matt.24 the signs to look for that they would know when the end of the Old Covenant age was to be made manifest. The other answer was about "what will be the sign of Your coming?"

Only the remnant at their "present time" were saved. The patriarchs (12 tribes) were raised from the dead. And all the sons of God (Jew & Gentile) were glorified in the New Covenant of Grace.

From one end of heaven to the other is a prophetic expression. Nothing more.

"I will come again and receive you to myself" is about being with them in Spirit. The Holy Spirit would come at Pentecost.

There were things they couldn't bear to hear then, but after the Spirit indwelt them, they preached about the nearness of the kingdom of God - the mother of us all- the New Jerusalem. We joined the Bride in Faith and Spirit!

The Living water from the Throne is the Holy Spirit. (Rev.22:1)

 

[Fyre]

Thanks for sharing all that with me Lehigh3

Im a professed fence sitter eschatogoly wise I suppose because on every side theres "something" that just is not sitting with me well, or their teaching in respects to it isnt all too convincing, theres always something left out while stringing together what might fit, well thats what I have found.

So I still sit on the fence on somethings, however I agree given the wisdom of God is first pure and the same can be shown twofold here

Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.


John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Thank you for your sharing with me

God richly bless you!

 

[Lehigh3]

Thanks for sharing all that with me Lehigh3

Im a professed fence sitter eschatogoly wise I suppose because on every side theres "something" that just is not sitting with me well, or their teaching in respects to it isnt all too convincing, theres always something left out while stringing together what might fit, well thats what I have found.

So I still sit on the fence on somethings, however I agree given the wisdom of God is first pure and the same can be shown twofold here

Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.


John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Thank you for your sharing with me

God richly bless you!

You're welcome. God bless you too!

Here's another passage with that phrase I'd like to share, from Jeremiah 2: (God speaking to Israel)
11 Has a nation changed its gods,
Which are not gods?
But My people have changed their Glory
For what does not profit.
12 Be astonished, O heavens, at this,
And be horribly afraid;
Be very desolate,†says the LORD.
13 “ For My people have committed two evils:
They have forsaken Me, the fountain of living waters,
And hewn themselves cisterns—broken cisterns that can hold no water.

Is that proof for the Trinity or what! The Spirit is one.

The tabernacle of God is with men through His Spirit!

 

[Fyre]

You're welcome. God bless you too!

Here's another passage with that phrase I'd like to share, from Jeremiah 2: (God speaking to Israel)
11 Has a nation changed its gods,
Which are not gods?
But My people have changed their Glory
For what does not profit.
12 Be astonished, O heavens, at this,
And be horribly afraid;
Be very desolate,†says the LORD.
13 “ For My people have committed two evils:
They have forsaken Me, the fountain of living waters,
And hewn themselves cisterns—broken cisterns that can hold no water.

Is that proof for the Trinity or what! The Spirit is one.

The tabernacle of God is with men through His Spirit!

Peace to you brother! Excellent verse! Amen! I usually just acknowledge the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, but I do try to stay off the use of certain words (ie trinity) not so much for myself but for others. Because I have found some folks (more recently) are offended at the use of word itself (which is fine by me) because the apostles did just fine all those years preaching never needing to use it.

Besides, you know bro you can show it as sevenfold too, look at the seven eyes on one stone (Christ) in whom dwelled the fulness of the Godhead bodily, then look at the seven Spirits of God, and yet one and the same Spirit can divide severally to every man as well.

And Jesus shows the three right here in David (being four) lol

Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

However Jesus points out saying this of himself...

Mat 22:45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

So David called him Lord by the Holy Ghost, I always wondered where that was found (elsewhere) and wallah...David!

Thought that was kool anyways.

God bless you brother!

 

[for_his_glory]

This must have been startling to witness.

Does this event appear anywhere in the Prophets?

I cant think of an NT passage that points back but I've never really looked.

These are the only two I know of in the NT

Mark 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Luke 24:50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.
Luke 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.

 

[for_his_glory]

Was not Elijah lifted up? Was not Enoch lifted up? Why would the Son of God not be lifted up in like manner?

The difference here is that Jesus was caught up to the third heaven were as Elijah, Enoch, Philip were caught up in a whirlwind to the first heaven (atmosphere) that placed them else where on earth.

First let’s look at Elijah. 2Kings 2:3 And the sons of the prophets that were at Bethel came forth to Elisha, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the LORD will take away thy master from thy head to day? And he said, Yea, I know it; hold ye your peace. The sons of the prophets had a leader named Elijah who was also a prophet sent by God to King Ahab who was a wicked ruler along with Ahab’s son Ahaziah. God needed Elisha to take over the office of Elijah in Israel for the next fifty years as Elijah was old in years and king Ahaziah had died. The work God had for Elisha had to start under a new king. God had to separate Elijah from the people as Elisha held his office now and since God never takes an office away from someone who is performing his duties well he had to remove Elijah by using a whirlwind to take him up into the first heaven so the people did not think he was unqualified anymore for that duty of the office he held, 2Kings 2:1-18. When Elijah was taken up his mantle fell from him and Elisha picked it up and resumed the duties of Elijah. Now, Elijah was caught up to the first heaven (atmosphere) and no one ever knew where he landed, even though many went out to look for him, but could not find him as God saw to it that he was placed where no one knew him. We know he was still alive living here on earth as 2Chronicles 21:12-15 states that Jehoram received a letter from him years later.

Philip was also taken up in a whirlwind (first heaven) according to Acts 8:39,40 and placed at Azotus some thirty miles away preaching in all the cities until he ended up in Caesarea where he married and had daughters who prophesied. It was there that he lived out the rest of his days. Ezekiel according to Ezekiel 3:12 was caught up into the first heaven and brought to Jerusalem to the door of the inner gate, Ezekiel 8:3, and then again taken up and taken to Chaldea, Ezekiel 11:24. Then we have the transfiguration in Matthew 17:1-9 where Jesus took Peter, James and John his brother up to the mountain and then in a supernatural vision (emphasis on vision) there appeared Moses and Elijah standing with Jesus. What Peter, James and John saw was a glimpse of Jesus in his glorified state as he stood praying to the Father and showing the three disciples that he was come to fulfill the law through his death on the cross as being made the final blood sacrifice taking all our sin upon himself for the fulfillment of the law as Moses stood there representing the law as the law giver and Elijah representing the greatest prophet to the Jews as keeping all the law and teachings others to do so as well until the fulfillment in Messiah would come. The disciples never really knew who Jesus was and what his purpose of coming was all about. All they knew was that Jesus was a prophet teacher sent by God as somewhat a renewed Elijah. This is why Jesus told them to tell the vision to no man of what they saw.

Jesus had to be the firstfruit of the resurrection to eternal life for all who are dead as by Adam all have died, but through Christ all may live as the last enemy is death and Jesus must reign until all his enemies are under his feet, 1Corinthians 15:20-26. Moses, Elijah, Philip are all yet in their graves as are all those who have gone before us that are in Christ and have yet not received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth, Hebrews 11:13.

 

[Vic C.]

off topic

Philip was also taken up in a whirlwind (first heaven) according to Acts 8:39,40 and placed at Azotus some thirty miles away preaching in all the cities until he ended up in Caesarea where he married and had daughters who prophesied.

We ought to be careful to not interject into verses something that just isn't there. Acts 8:39 says nothing about Phillip being caught up in a whirlwind and into some first heaven.

It says he was caught away by the Holy Spirit. Some translations might say he was "snatched away." It could mean the HS physically and swiftly transported Philip to another place to preach. Or it could mean that the HS instructed Phillip to leave hastily.

All we should glean from this verse is that the Lord had other, more important plans for Phillip other than staying with the eunuch and that he should leave immediately.