Bible Study Adam and Eve... first on Earth?

[Julian Pyke]

Genesis 1

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Genesis 2

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. 8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

So, I wonder, how is there amn and women, then there was no man, so he created Adam? Is it possible there were men and women on earth before Adam? Please help me out!

 

[MrsC]

Genesis 1 is the overview of the creation week. Then Genesis 2 picks out the specific section on the creation of man and explains just how it happened.

Similarly in Genesis 5 we have the genealogy leading to Noah. Then Genesis 6 starts, not where 5 left off, but backs up and gives the details, before introducing Noah in 6:9.

Similarly, Genesis 10 gives the big picture of the genealogies of Noah's sons, including the fact that they stayed in their natural language groupings, 10:5,20,31, even though we don't read of the origin of separate languages until Genesis 11. But 11 gives the detailed explanation of the origin of the languages referred to in 10.

 

[Kasey]

Genesis 1

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Genesis 2

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. 8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

So, I wonder, how is there amn and women, then there was no man, so he created Adam? Is it possible there were men and women on earth before Adam? Please help me out!

Yes, Adam and Eve were not the first people on the planet. Notice the creation accounts. Notice, in the following verses after Genesis 1:26, it states that in the image of God creat HE HIM, male and female created HE THEM. There is no definite article. There is no specification. Therefore, they were created simultaneously. Also, note, that they were commanded to replensih the land, to multiply and have dominion over basically everything as well as subdue it.

Now, take a look at when that particular man is created in Genesis 2. This man was created ALONE. He was put INTO a garden and commanded to dress the garden. He was NOT told to replenish the land nor have dominion over all the animals of the air, land and sea. He was told to dress and keep the Garden. Also, note, that the woman was created AFTER Adam, not together as was those mentioned in the previous chapters.

You have two different creation accounts of man. Adam and Eve were not the first people on the planet, they were created last.

 

[Khristeeanos]

Genesis 1

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Genesis 2

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. 8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

So, I wonder, how is there amn and women, then there was no man, so he created Adam? Is it possible there were men and women on earth before Adam? Please help me out!

Yes, Adam and Eve were not the first people on the planet. Notice the creation accounts. Notice, in the following verses after Genesis 1:26, it states that in the image of God creat HE HIM, male and female created HE THEM. There is no definite article. There is no specification. Therefore, they were created simultaneously. Also, note, that they were commanded to replensih the land, to multiply and have dominion over basically everything as well as subdue it.

Now, take a look at when that particular man is created in Genesis 2. This man was created ALONE. He was put INTO a garden and commanded to dress the garden. He was NOT told to replenish the land nor have dominion over all the animals of the air, land and sea. He was told to dress and keep the Garden. Also, note, that the woman was created AFTER Adam, not together as was those mentioned in the previous chapters.

You have two different creation accounts of man. Adam and Eve were not the first people on the planet, they were created last.

Yes, of course they were the first people. God didn't write the Bible in English, He wrote it in Hebrew.

If you go back into the language, all Hebrew scholars agree that the Bible teaches that the earth was made in six literal 24 hour days about 6,000 years ago.

 

[stovebolts]

I believe MrsC has the right idea.

God created the heavens and the earth, and all life in six days, while He rested on the seventh day. Man is pictured as the crown of God’s creation. In order to maintain a chronological format, only a very general description of man’s creation is given in verses 26-31.

Chapter two returns to this matter of the creation of man with a much more detailed account. Far from contradicting chapter one, as some scholars have suggested, it greatly compliments it. While it is stated that God created man, both male and female (1:26-27), it is described more fully in chapter 2. In chapter one man is given every plant to eat (1:29-30), in chapter two man is placed in a lovely garden (2:8-17). In the first chapter man is told to rule over all God’s creatures (1:26, 28), in the second man is given the task of naming God’s creatures (2:19-20). Contradictions between these two chapters must be contrived, for it is clear that the writer of the first chapter intended to fill out the details in the second.

Furthermore, chapter two serves as an introduction and preparation for the account of the fall in chapter three. Chapter two gives us the setting for the fall of man which is described in chapter three. We are introduced to the garden (2:8-9), the two trees, the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (2:9). The woman who was to be deceived is introduced in chapter two as well. Without chapter two the first chapter would be far too brief and the third would come upon us unprepared.

If chapter one is laid out in chronological fashionâ€â€that is in a sequence of seven days, chapter two is not chronological, but logical. Of course the events of chapter two fit into chapter one’s order, but the chapter is laid out differently. If chapter one is creation as seen through a wide angle lens, chapter two is viewed through a telephoto lens. In chapter one man is found at the top of a pyramid, as the crown of God’s creative activity. In chapter two man is at the center of the circle of God’s activity and interest.

For a further explanation, please visit
http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=45

Kasey, plese explain how Chapter 3 comes into play with your theory.

 

[Urambo Tauro]

I was under the impression that chapter two(from verse four onward) was, "notes and details" for chapter one.

 

[Kasey]

I was under the impression that chapter two(from verse four onward) was, "notes and details" for chapter one.

It couldnt be the notes and details of chapter one because a very important difference. In chapter one, the Bible uses the phrase "He HIM" and "He THEM". It speaks of a male without a definiate article, but then it goes on to say "HE THEM" without a definate article as well. It can only taken as to mean at the same time, simultaneously. This is conclusive proof that Adam and Eve were not the first people on earth because in the second chapter, Eve was not created at the same time Adam was. It was a seperate event at a seperate time.

Also, if the second chapter was the notes and details, then why was nothing mentioned in the second chapter of Adam and Eve multiplying and replenishing the land? To subdue and have dominion over the land, sea and air and all the animals that were in it?

In addition, chapter 1 states that right after God created male and female, he immediately told them to go out subdue and have dominion over the earth. However, nothing of this sort was told to Adam, who was without counter-part at that time. He was put into a garden and told to keep it. No such garden nor commandment was give to those in chapter 1.

Bottom-line; Two different creation accounts. Therefore, Adam and Eve were not the first people on the planet.

 

[chosenone343]

Yes, of course they were the first people. God didn't write the Bible in English, He wrote it in Hebrew.

If you go back into the language, all Hebrew scholars agree that the Bible teaches that the earth was made in six literal 24 hour days about 6,000 years ago.

AMEN and AMEN! Well put.

Bottom-line; Two different creation accounts. Therefore, Adam and Eve were not the first people on the planet.

Two different creation accounts? God created the heavens and the earth twice? :crazyeyes:

When you read the Bible, you can not just pick and choose 2 verses from anywhere and try to put them together. You need to read throughout. Please note Genesis 2:4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created. This clearly states that we are going back to discuss AGAIN what was touched upon in Chapter 1. Unless you truly believe that He, the Almighty Creator, couldn't do it right the first time and had to do it again.

 

[Confusion]

It just seems to prove the Bible false in a way... Since two seperate happenings of the same event could not occur...

 

[Urambo Tauro]

This is interesting stuff... the thought of humans prior to Adam had never crossed my mind. :o
So far, I still think that the greater part of chapter two(from verse four onward) appears to take place on the sixth day. The statement in verse four, "this is the account..."

It couldn't be the notes and details of chapter one because of a very important difference. In chapter one, the Bible uses the phrase "He HIM" and "He THEM". It speaks of a male without a definiate article, but then it goes on to say "HE THEM" without a definate article as well. It can only taken as to mean at the same time, simultaneously. This is conclusive proof that Adam and Eve were not the first people on earth because in the second chapter, Eve was not created at the same time Adam was. It was a seperate event at a seperate time.
:smt102 I don't find it a problem that "He HIM" is mentioned before "He THEM". The use of those terms tell me that at first there was one person, and afterward there were multiple people.

Also, if the second chapter was the notes and details, then why was nothing mentioned in the second chapter of Adam and Eve multiplying and replenishing the land? To subdue and have dominion over the land, sea and air and all the animals that were in it?
:-? Did something have to be mentioned about it?

In addition, chapter 1 states that right after God created male and female, he immediately told them to go out subdue and have dominion over the earth. However, nothing of this sort was told to Adam, who was without counter-part at that time. He was put into a garden and told to keep it. No such garden nor commandment was give to those in chapter 1.
How immediate was "immediately" and is this word used in the text? :smt017

Bottom-line; Two different creation accounts. Therefore, Adam and Eve were not the first people on the planet.
Do you mean two different accounts or two different "creations"?

 

[Khristeeanos]

Genesis 10:31
These are the sons of Shem by their clans and languages, in their territories and nations.

Genesis 11:1
Now the whole world had one language and a common speech.

This is another group of passages that people point to in trying to disprove the Bible.

It says that there were people divided up among their languages and after that it says the whole world spoke the same language.

When you understand the context of what is being said, it really is no problem.

If you watch the news, you will see this happen almost every night.

They tell you part of a story to peak your interest so that you stay tuned during the commercials (more $ $ $) and when they come back, they tell you the "rest of the story" and restate what has already been said with more detail.


That is exactly what is taking place in Genesis 10 and 11, but more importantly, in Genesis 1 and 2.

Some even suggest chapter 2 is God creating additional animals in the Garden of Eden so that Adam would see God creating so that the devil couldn't come along later and claim to be the one who created.

 

[hummingbird]

How could we know, how long was time between Genesis 1st and 2nd

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

In here can be thousands years....

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Some friend describe to me, that Melkisedek was a man from the first creation. Like Son of Gods:

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Same friend describe an idea, that the first generation was so bad that God terminated them (except Melkisedek and som others).

 

[Khristeeanos]

How could we know, how long was time between Genesis 1st and 2nd

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

In here can be thousands years....

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

There is no thousands of years in there. God is speaking to humans in a different language. We are using a 21st century english mind to try to cram millions of years into the Bible when it is unnecissary.

The earth isn't millions of years old. God told us how old it is and we should be happy to leave it at that.

 

[andy153]

hummingbird Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:29 pm
Some friend describe to me, that Melkisedek was a man from the first creation. Like Son of Gods:

Melchizedek was Noah !

with love and respect.

 

[hummingbird]

There is no thousands of years in there.

What do You think about? How long was that?

The earth isn't millions of years old. God told us how old it is and we should be happy to leave it at that.

How old is it?

Following verse is a point and tell us something:

18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

I believe that when Satan dumped down from Heaven, something went wrong in earth

Following verse can translate also other way

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.


And the Earth came anarchy and chaos and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

 

[hummingbird]

hummingbird Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:29 pm
Some friend describe to me, that Melkisedek was a man from the first creation. Like Son of Gods:

Melchizedek was Noah !

.

There is nothing, which support that (in Bible)??

 

[andy153]

hummingbird Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 8:37 am
There is nothing, which support that (in Bible)??

Really ?

Actually there is biblical support to prove that Noah was Melchizedek.

However, you have already made your mind up so that's ok.

with love and respect, andy153

 

[hummingbird]

hummingbird Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 8:37 am
There is nothing, which support that (in Bible)??

Really ?

Actually there is biblical support to prove that Noah was Melchizedek.

However, you have already made your mind up so that's ok.

with love and respect, andy153

Where exactly in Bible?

 

[hummingbird]

hummingbird Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 8:37 am
There is nothing, which support that (in Bible)??

Really ?

Actually there is biblical support to prove that Noah was Melchizedek.

However, you have already made your mind up so that's ok.

with love and respect, andy153

Where exactly in Bible?

 

[andy153]

Dear hummingbird,

who do you think brought the priesthood from the old world to the new ?

with love and respect, andy153